He has literally enslaved beings for seemingly eternity. It's not really something people can argue.
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
- Thread starter Mr Zoat
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*hands her one of the aforementioned fish* "i caught it in the fountain of youth, so im pretty sure it counts!"
Empiricist2
Let's play doctor!
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Grayven has that biodome on Ceres. Legally not his, but he owns it for all practical purposes. And he has an actual building there, rather than having claimed some random rock as his own.
Ok this made me laugh.
Aside from Teekl and Doctor Morrow, they're more pets than slaves. And he doesn't really order Teekl or Morrow to do anything, so they effectively aren't slaves. Still enslaved, but not abused because of said enslavement.
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You'd have to be contrarian to the extreme to even try.
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It... Could tenuously be argued that they aren't people, but construct copies of people whose apparent minds exist on the ring...
Broovian
The Patriarch of Oblivion and all it contains.
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Wouldn't that be similar to making an AI based off the downloaded mind of someone dead? If so than they still count as people because AI are covered under the laws Paragon put into place. I'm pretty sure Teekl and Morrow can pass a Turing test, not sure on Fatty and his children, have to look up what a turing test is.
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They're you're just enslaving constructs copies of people instead of people, again semantics.
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Point you to:
Another major point, Paul did not exist in Truggs and Abra's timeline with Abra mentioning that he checked far enough to pick a time way before that happens. And since Larfreeze is the only known orange light user and he is planning to deal with him in a few months anyway there is really no reason to panic or look into it.
Stratagemini
Totally a Fire Ferret.
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If that's the case then he murdered a kitty. No one wants to argue that.
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Yeah, the fact that the rich white, slave-holding landowner moniker is being held up on account of points of order concerning whether he owns the land he is exploiting just makes it more amusing.
Like Zoats counterpoint boils down to he isn't a landowner because he is a exploitative robber baron plundering the wealth of the commons.
Emstar
The Shining One
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I agree on all counts from a rules-lawyering standpoint, that doesn't change my point from the original metaphor taken in context of the conversation. Whether or not his ownership is recognized by legal authorities makes little difference.
He has an Orange power ring afterall. The entire damn planet is his. The NPC's just haven't gotten the memo yet.
I'm not just saying that either. Nor am I the only one:
Hmmm.
"I've claimed all within my sight!"
Might not have any legal claims, but that doesn't seem to be the sort of claim that matters to the SI anyway.
Just 'cause you built a space-shitter doesn't mean you own it, as anyone who's dug a latrine while camping can tell you. Turns out that for people ownership is a bit more complicated than it is for dogs.
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I would like to point out that, even if it did work that way, OL still wouldn't own the land. Tuppence would.
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Actually, since we've got into rules lawyering about land ownership, then what about the Native Americans? If Zoat was involved with the civil war, would he side with them?
Also, didn't Paul provide the funds necessary for Sephtian's new laboratory? Wouldn't that count as owning land?
Have you even read the thread? A significant proportion of the posters here would love to argue that he "murdered a kitty".
Tactical Tunic
Glorious Burgerman of Eagleland
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That part is not only the truth, it's America's original sin. I'd draw parallels between that and the fact that almost half the country voted for and was okay with Shitstain Russiaplant MacTinyhands and his literal Neo-Nazis, but I can't be bothered to put the effort in right now.
Stratagemini
Totally a Fire Ferret.
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Yeah, but then they'd be arguing that he didn't own slaves. Catch-22.
Well, it's a weird situation. His problem is that he can't give those slaves up, only kill them with the Sword of the Fallen. Not "won't give them up" or "it would be really painful to give them up", but literally can't. And all the actual slaves - assimilated people - were assimilated by somebody else*; he just inherited the problem. He didn't assimilate Morrow or the Saremite, Truggs and the Ophidian did. The Praexis are just flying appetites, and the Hellwraith is a husk - and even if it wasn't, being assimilated by OL is a fate better than Hell, anyway.
*Except possibly Teekl, depending on what level of intelligence she actually has. And she's...odd for a construct, she doesn't act like she's compelled to do anything.
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It's too bad Nabu's death comes in the next episode imagine the fireworks you get when you kill both a Lord of Chaos and a Lord of Order at the same time, granted that's if they went out with a bang and not a whimper.
I also imagine Zantanna or some other female character wouldn't mind setting off some fireworks with Paul, regardless of the fact they celebrated the 4th of July, and most of those fireworks would be pink and maybe a bit of orange.
I also imagine Zantanna or some other female character wouldn't mind setting off some fireworks with Paul, regardless of the fact they celebrated the 4th of July, and most of those fireworks would be pink and maybe a bit of orange.
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Parallels between America actively endorsing slavery and a rich orange blowhard who got elected for running his mouth?
Dude. C'mon, I don't like him either, but dude.
Jamie Roberts
Hávamál 127
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While true, there is a problem:
Precisely. Without Teekle, he's down to owning Morrow, slave singular, and that's no good. Except-
I forgot about the Saremite.
Which is to say, as of now, I am arguing that Paul murdered a helpless kitty, that monster.
Stratagemini
Totally a Fire Ferret.
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Teekl, The Praexis Demons, and the Hell Wraith all probably qualify as slaves under Paul's new alternative sentient rights act. Also even if he didn't Assimilate Morrow and the Saremite, he still currently owns them.
He has total control over a set of glowing artificial intelligences formed by destructively scanning sapient beings. I fail to see where a catch-22 comes in.
Edit: Unless it involves recent ninja attacks...
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Emstar
The Shining One
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That's worse.
In that instance, he murders sapient beings and then constructs artificial intelligences in their images and then subjects those intelligences to slavery.
Better to leave it at "I accidentally a slave, oops.", I think...
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