- Location
- Hampden Park
Why wouldn't you just kill them? I mean, once you've determined that they can't be made productive citizens the only reason not to is that their crimes don't warrant it.
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Or do you mean 'off-world prison' off-world prison?
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
- Thread starter Mr Zoat
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Or do you mean 'off-world prison' off-world prison?
Oh I am slain!
Wynaut?
- Location
- Tatooine
Hey guys, I think that might have been the spirit of Russia or something. 
Empiricist2
Let's play doctor!
- Location
- Baton Rouge
Did you intend for that to rhyme or did it just happen?
I'd participate.
Last time I checked you aren't Jamie Roberts.Hey guys, I think that might have been the spirit of Russia or something.
PR? Not pissing off the crazy man-who-dresses-like-a-bat? Stupidity? Insanity?
Wait, he's not?!?
- Location
- Canada
I usually go on the one on spacebattles, the story doesn't seem particularly popular on SV.
- Pronouns
- she/her
Is there really a need for two threads about how Xvim is the best? I mean there is other miscellaneous discussion, but that's really what matters most.
Feel free to start one here, I'll lurk it and write long posts about how people who dislike Xvim are wrong and never actually post them.
Rhymes, uh, find a way. I thought about what to write, realized it would rhyme and then gleefully typed it.
You can never be too sure with Jamie. For all we know she's figured out a way to self replicate and has started skinning people and wearing them as suits.
Well, damn. Pity I already made a thread.
- Location
- Canada
Didn't say I wouldn't visit this one too, heck I pretty much keep an eye on all of them, the reddit discussions in rationalfic and noveltranslations are especially prolific whenever a new chapter comes out.
[Connery]"Give me a ping Ophidian. One ping only please."[/Connery]
- Location
- Canada
Isn't it ironic you say that when Demon Constantine was sent to prison?
Prince Charon
Just zis guy, you know?
I wonder, if Grayven met the Director, would they talk to each other partly in invisitext?
RichardWhereat
Feanor did nothing wrong.
- Location
- Australia
I don't like how Superman treats Conner, but were I in that world, I wouldn't want his disappointment, nor would I want Batmans disdain. It's entirely selfish, but I greatly admire them both, flaws and all.
I wouldn't stop the state from killing him, or any randoms from killing him.
But I'm against the state implementing the death penalty due to how often Texas kills retarded people, or the US proves to have imprisoned for life, the innocent.
- Location
- USA
OL will literally torture Demon Constantine and try the mind-controlling Brand, but using the truth lasso, oooh noooo, that's illegal in the US, you know. Torture is perfectly legal, that's why it was okay. Demons have rights too, you know. At least in America. And this matters because we're in Russia.
I'm starting to get really sick of OL arbitrarily not doing stuff that would make things much easier because of stupid reasons like this, and not bothering to work out ways around his limitations. I understand that instant, perfect interrogation and stuff like super speed can ruin the story, but then you shouldn't have introduced those things and made it seem like there's no reason not to use them. If the Lasso didn't work, fine, you'd figure a Demon Constantine would've taken mental defenses into account and he is working for the Light now, but just hand-waving it like this is really bad.
I'm starting to get really sick of OL arbitrarily not doing stuff that would make things much easier because of stupid reasons like this, and not bothering to work out ways around his limitations. I understand that instant, perfect interrogation and stuff like super speed can ruin the story, but then you shouldn't have introduced those things and made it seem like there's no reason not to use them. If the Lasso didn't work, fine, you'd figure a Demon Constantine would've taken mental defenses into account and he is working for the Light now, but just hand-waving it like this is really bad.
- Location
- Argentina
You know Renegade is starting to look more and more like he made the better choices while Oh El is looking more and more like he is not as good as he thinks he is. Is that on purpose?
- Location
- US-Ark
Sorry, I know I'm replying to an old comment, but it took me a while to get to reply.
I know QQ isn't the best of forums, but all of them have some issues. I'd like to voice my support for using the QQ NSFW forum, though. It's not that bad for the most part, and it'll only get better if more people come and post quality stuff. We bitch about restrictive rules on SB and SV, but the only way to get people over to QQ to read our stuff there is if we post stuff there and attract new members.
I'm not an active member of QQ (or of anywhere, really) but when I write some smut, I post it there. More stories and more readers can only improve the place.
- Location
- Australia
Renegade's choices are better short term, Paragon long term
Bindings (part 1)
- Location
- Hampden Park
Bindings
11th May
13:58 GMT
"Recognised, Wonder Woman, zero three, Orange Lantern, B zero six."
Guy looks around from his place on the far side of the Justice League's meeting table as Diana and I walk towards it. "Hey Orange. Welcome t'the club."
I.. slow slightly, but continue my approach as Diana walks over to her place near the table's head. "Club?"
Superman nods. "I suppose you could put it like that."
Batman's here, as are the other Lanterns, Major Adams, William Batson, Mister Freeman, Mister Yao, King Orin and.. Nabu. If Mister Allen and Mister J'onzz were here I'd make a comment about this being the League's top tier. For a moment I worry that my talk last month resulted in half of the League getting fired.
Batman looks up from his datapad for a moment. "Take a seat."
That makes me stop. On the near side the occupied seat furthest from the head of the table is occupied by Nabu. Fortunately, there are more empty places on the far side. Giving Nabu a wide berth, I walk around the open end of the 'U' and pull out the seat next to Guy before looking into the League members' faces and trying to work out what's going on. Diana orders me somewhere, I go there, but a little more information would have been helpful.
"Orange Lantern." Batman presses a button and a blue holographic globe appears in the middle of the 'U', rotating slowly on its axis. There are a large number of markers on it, some green, some yellow and a few red. "Do you know what these represent?"
Ring? Hm. Some are military bases, some I can't scan... Those could be secure government sites of some kind. Countries marked are the United States, Russia, China, India, Pakistan, France, Britain...
"Are they nuclear weapon launch sites?"
Batman inclines his head slightly. "This is a list of the locations of every launch-capable nuclear warhead on Earth which we have been able to discover."
"Do their owners know that you know this?"
Superman tilts his head to his left for a moment. "We haven't told them, but that doesn't mean that they don't suspect that we know."
Diana smiles faintly as she looks at me. "The reason I asked you here today-."
And it clicks into place. "Is that in the event of a nuclear war it's our job to stop them."
This time Batman nods. "Essentially, yes. Intercepting-" The globe moves and various military vehicles and missiles appear. "-aircraft and missiles requires a very particular power set, including but not limited to supersonic flight and the ability to absorb and inflict significant damage." I glance across at King Orin, then back at Batman. "The Atlantean military monitors all sea-based nuclear launch platforms."
"It's a little more than that, Batman." Orin turns to me. "We also have battle mages on hand who could disable or sink them at short notice." A wry smiles plays over his lips. "A job which the recent popularity of anti-scrying wards hasn't made any easier."
"Sorry, sir."
"It's not your fault. Something like this was inevitable, eventually. I won't really start to worry until they start using wards strong enough to actually keep us out."
Superman nods. "I can sympathise. It surprised me quite how quickly the army took advantage of the fact that I can't see through lead."
I remember that in the comic which featured Fernus the Burning they had to intercept a group of nuclear missiles launched by the American military. They missed one, but that was with a seven person League and zero notice. I turn to my left. "I thought you Greenies weren't allowed-?"
Jordan scowls. "What, you really think we prioritize being in the Corps over all life on Earth?"
John nods. "We checked, and we think we'd have about half an hour before our rings were deactivated. Short range nuclear miss'les only take minutes to reach their targets. Even Salaak can't revoke our status that fast."
Guy rolls his eyes. "Oh, good job, now you said it out loud."
Then... I can't help but look over at Major Adams. I'm not sure exactly what rules he's acting under these days, but to my inexpert ears this is starting to sound a bit.. treasony.
He notices. "I'm not about to see millions of Americans die if I can prevent it. And they can only arrest me if there's still a government left."
"Ah, alright, well, I'm in. Haven't really... Thought about this much. Do we.. each have a.. sector, or..?"
Batman shakes his head. "Given how quickly we predict that events would occur, that just isn't practical. Since most League members are based in the US-" The globe stops rotating and icons showing the 'home locations' of the League members present appear. "-we would most likely be relying on Doctor Fate and the Lanterns to cover the rest of the world. Realistically, I doubt that even under favorable conditions we would be able to stop all of the missiles, but every one destroyed en route or prevented from launching will spare the lives of tens of thousands of people."
I nod. "Have you discussed more... Aggressive action against launch sites? It would be... Far faster to destroy them than to disable them."
William takes a steadying breath. He really doesn't look comfortable. "Have you ever seen the film 'War Games'?"
"Not all the way through, but.. I'm... Assuming you're referring to the opening scene where the launch operator wasn't prepared to fire despite receiving valid orders."
"So..." He shrugs. "How do you know the guy who's been ordered to fire is actually gunna do it? And if we don't stop all of them, well... We're gunna have to do a lot of work... Afterwards. People probably expect us to try and stop the missiles, but if we actually attack someplace then people might start seeing us as the enemy."
He does have a point. I could probably tell whether or not the people in a particular silo or onboard a particular plane would actually do it, but not from a great distance and not quickly enough to go from place to place for each of the thousands of sites worldwide. Personally, I think it would be more sensible to just do it, but... No, if this happens we'd have to start immediately. A limited exchange wouldn't necessarily result in all out war. Unless someone started destroying their launch sites. And by the time everywhere got their go-codes...
Batman nods again. "In the event of all out war, if even one percent of the nuclear powers' devices reached their targets-"
The world hologram changes, showing arcs representing nuclear weapons flying from their points of origin. First strike weapons like ICBMs and fighter-mounted missiles streak ahead. Ninety nine in every hundred wink out... A hundred and fifty are left. I remember that belligerent powers generally don't target population centres. The UK does because Trident's got poor accuracy, but the US and Russia generally point theirs at military and government targets. Of course, those are usually located in cities. Looks like the League think that India and Pakistan have the same lack of precision.
"-the immediate death toll might well be in the region of one billion people. In the aftermath, as the only active Lantern on Earth we would be relying on you to do what you could to minimise the effects of the dust clouds. A nuclear winter which destroyed that year's harvest would kill even more people than the initial nuclear exchange."
"You know, if... " I glance left. "If you'd be out of the Corps anyway... There's really no reason not to let Alan recharge himself. I mean, I could do the whole planet eventually but this is something that needs to be done as quickly as possible."
Guy and Jordan nod. Stewart glances at Jordan first, then nods as well. Jordan leans forwards to make eye contact with me. "Not sure how much time we'd have, but sure. We can try doing that." His jaw moves slightly to the left and his eyes drop to the table for a moment. "Look, I've never been 'okay' with the way that the Guardians insisted on freezing Alan out. It just wasn't my call to make."
I shake my head. "Never thought it was."
Batman waits a moment to see if we want to say anything else, then presses on. "You will be required to memorize the locations displayed on the screen, though given that you have eidetic memory that shouldn't prove too difficult. We meet here once a month to go over any changes in our target locations. Since we started these meetings the world hasn't come close to a nuclear exchange. In the event that it did, we would meet more frequently. It should go without saying that you are not to tell anyone about this."
"Thank you for not phrasing it as an order, sir, but yes. I realised." Do I ask? "Sir, there are things I could do to make it easier to stop an exchange. Laser drones placed along likely flight paths, that sort of thing? Do you want me to look into it?"
"No. I do not believe that a nuclear exchange is likely to occur in the immediate future, and the damage that would be caused to both the League and to international relations if your efforts were discovered makes it too much of a risk."
Major Adams nods. "He's right. Remember how the Russians acted when President Phillips tried restarting the Strategic Defense Initiative?"
I nod. Not 'Phillips' of course, but I do. "Very well, sir. Thank you for trusting me with this. If the worst happens, you won't find me wanting."
11th May
13:58 GMT
"Recognised, Wonder Woman, zero three, Orange Lantern, B zero six."
Guy looks around from his place on the far side of the Justice League's meeting table as Diana and I walk towards it. "Hey Orange. Welcome t'the club."
I.. slow slightly, but continue my approach as Diana walks over to her place near the table's head. "Club?"
Superman nods. "I suppose you could put it like that."
Batman's here, as are the other Lanterns, Major Adams, William Batson, Mister Freeman, Mister Yao, King Orin and.. Nabu. If Mister Allen and Mister J'onzz were here I'd make a comment about this being the League's top tier. For a moment I worry that my talk last month resulted in half of the League getting fired.
Batman looks up from his datapad for a moment. "Take a seat."
That makes me stop. On the near side the occupied seat furthest from the head of the table is occupied by Nabu. Fortunately, there are more empty places on the far side. Giving Nabu a wide berth, I walk around the open end of the 'U' and pull out the seat next to Guy before looking into the League members' faces and trying to work out what's going on. Diana orders me somewhere, I go there, but a little more information would have been helpful.
"Orange Lantern." Batman presses a button and a blue holographic globe appears in the middle of the 'U', rotating slowly on its axis. There are a large number of markers on it, some green, some yellow and a few red. "Do you know what these represent?"
Ring? Hm. Some are military bases, some I can't scan... Those could be secure government sites of some kind. Countries marked are the United States, Russia, China, India, Pakistan, France, Britain...
"Are they nuclear weapon launch sites?"
Batman inclines his head slightly. "This is a list of the locations of every launch-capable nuclear warhead on Earth which we have been able to discover."
"Do their owners know that you know this?"
Superman tilts his head to his left for a moment. "We haven't told them, but that doesn't mean that they don't suspect that we know."
Diana smiles faintly as she looks at me. "The reason I asked you here today-."
And it clicks into place. "Is that in the event of a nuclear war it's our job to stop them."
This time Batman nods. "Essentially, yes. Intercepting-" The globe moves and various military vehicles and missiles appear. "-aircraft and missiles requires a very particular power set, including but not limited to supersonic flight and the ability to absorb and inflict significant damage." I glance across at King Orin, then back at Batman. "The Atlantean military monitors all sea-based nuclear launch platforms."
"It's a little more than that, Batman." Orin turns to me. "We also have battle mages on hand who could disable or sink them at short notice." A wry smiles plays over his lips. "A job which the recent popularity of anti-scrying wards hasn't made any easier."
"Sorry, sir."
"It's not your fault. Something like this was inevitable, eventually. I won't really start to worry until they start using wards strong enough to actually keep us out."
Superman nods. "I can sympathise. It surprised me quite how quickly the army took advantage of the fact that I can't see through lead."
I remember that in the comic which featured Fernus the Burning they had to intercept a group of nuclear missiles launched by the American military. They missed one, but that was with a seven person League and zero notice. I turn to my left. "I thought you Greenies weren't allowed-?"
Jordan scowls. "What, you really think we prioritize being in the Corps over all life on Earth?"
John nods. "We checked, and we think we'd have about half an hour before our rings were deactivated. Short range nuclear miss'les only take minutes to reach their targets. Even Salaak can't revoke our status that fast."
Guy rolls his eyes. "Oh, good job, now you said it out loud."
Then... I can't help but look over at Major Adams. I'm not sure exactly what rules he's acting under these days, but to my inexpert ears this is starting to sound a bit.. treasony.
He notices. "I'm not about to see millions of Americans die if I can prevent it. And they can only arrest me if there's still a government left."
"Ah, alright, well, I'm in. Haven't really... Thought about this much. Do we.. each have a.. sector, or..?"
Batman shakes his head. "Given how quickly we predict that events would occur, that just isn't practical. Since most League members are based in the US-" The globe stops rotating and icons showing the 'home locations' of the League members present appear. "-we would most likely be relying on Doctor Fate and the Lanterns to cover the rest of the world. Realistically, I doubt that even under favorable conditions we would be able to stop all of the missiles, but every one destroyed en route or prevented from launching will spare the lives of tens of thousands of people."
I nod. "Have you discussed more... Aggressive action against launch sites? It would be... Far faster to destroy them than to disable them."
William takes a steadying breath. He really doesn't look comfortable. "Have you ever seen the film 'War Games'?"
"Not all the way through, but.. I'm... Assuming you're referring to the opening scene where the launch operator wasn't prepared to fire despite receiving valid orders."
"So..." He shrugs. "How do you know the guy who's been ordered to fire is actually gunna do it? And if we don't stop all of them, well... We're gunna have to do a lot of work... Afterwards. People probably expect us to try and stop the missiles, but if we actually attack someplace then people might start seeing us as the enemy."
He does have a point. I could probably tell whether or not the people in a particular silo or onboard a particular plane would actually do it, but not from a great distance and not quickly enough to go from place to place for each of the thousands of sites worldwide. Personally, I think it would be more sensible to just do it, but... No, if this happens we'd have to start immediately. A limited exchange wouldn't necessarily result in all out war. Unless someone started destroying their launch sites. And by the time everywhere got their go-codes...
Batman nods again. "In the event of all out war, if even one percent of the nuclear powers' devices reached their targets-"
The world hologram changes, showing arcs representing nuclear weapons flying from their points of origin. First strike weapons like ICBMs and fighter-mounted missiles streak ahead. Ninety nine in every hundred wink out... A hundred and fifty are left. I remember that belligerent powers generally don't target population centres. The UK does because Trident's got poor accuracy, but the US and Russia generally point theirs at military and government targets. Of course, those are usually located in cities. Looks like the League think that India and Pakistan have the same lack of precision.
"-the immediate death toll might well be in the region of one billion people. In the aftermath, as the only active Lantern on Earth we would be relying on you to do what you could to minimise the effects of the dust clouds. A nuclear winter which destroyed that year's harvest would kill even more people than the initial nuclear exchange."
"You know, if... " I glance left. "If you'd be out of the Corps anyway... There's really no reason not to let Alan recharge himself. I mean, I could do the whole planet eventually but this is something that needs to be done as quickly as possible."
Guy and Jordan nod. Stewart glances at Jordan first, then nods as well. Jordan leans forwards to make eye contact with me. "Not sure how much time we'd have, but sure. We can try doing that." His jaw moves slightly to the left and his eyes drop to the table for a moment. "Look, I've never been 'okay' with the way that the Guardians insisted on freezing Alan out. It just wasn't my call to make."
I shake my head. "Never thought it was."
Batman waits a moment to see if we want to say anything else, then presses on. "You will be required to memorize the locations displayed on the screen, though given that you have eidetic memory that shouldn't prove too difficult. We meet here once a month to go over any changes in our target locations. Since we started these meetings the world hasn't come close to a nuclear exchange. In the event that it did, we would meet more frequently. It should go without saying that you are not to tell anyone about this."
"Thank you for not phrasing it as an order, sir, but yes. I realised." Do I ask? "Sir, there are things I could do to make it easier to stop an exchange. Laser drones placed along likely flight paths, that sort of thing? Do you want me to look into it?"
"No. I do not believe that a nuclear exchange is likely to occur in the immediate future, and the damage that would be caused to both the League and to international relations if your efforts were discovered makes it too much of a risk."
Major Adams nods. "He's right. Remember how the Russians acted when President Phillips tried restarting the Strategic Defense Initiative?"
I nod. Not 'Phillips' of course, but I do. "Very well, sir. Thank you for trusting me with this. If the worst happens, you won't find me wanting."
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- Location
- Oblivion
So, someone somewhere is planning to seize control of the planets nuclear weapons I assume?
Simmr001
Aquaman 2018 Fan Club President. I prefer Bob.
- Location
- Crawley, West Sussex
- Pronouns
- he/him
ah, trust.
can't wait for the nabu thing to ruin it.
can't wait for the nabu thing to ruin it.
either that or we are getting into Wonder Woman's private life
Ganurath
Literal Enthusiast
- Location
- A Valid Location
- Pronouns
- He/Him
"Considering how your ring works, we're actually hoping for that."
- Location
- Hampden Park
They weren't in Russia.
The laws which protect innocent people from being beaten by the police also protect the guilty ones from being beaten by the police. Why not just beat the guilty ones? Well, we have trials to determine who the guilty ones are. Police don't have a magical guilt sense. So really, you're either pro-beatings or anti-beatings. The SI is anti-beatings. He isn't anti-temporary mind control, but US law is and Louisiana law is pretty anti-magic.
Once you've decided to work within the system then you're stuck with the bits that you don't particularly like.
If OL has half a brain, and he does, he assumes Batman knows everything he has planned, and is planning around that.
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