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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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Levanta.Z said:
I wanna ask something, is Batman aware that OL is planning on taking down Nabu? Or anyone particular know about OL's plan?
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Suspects? Maybe. Perhaps even 'probably'. Full on knowledge? ...possible, but not something I would bet anything I cared to lose on. He's good, but he's also one man; there has to be a limit to what kind of things he keeps abreast of, and what he merely is 'up to date' on. (hoped every supervillain mastermind ever)

Ichai said:
If OL has half a brain, and he does, he assumes Batman knows everything he has planned, and is planning around that.
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He also has Zeppelins.

Mr Zoat said:
So really, you're either pro-beatings or anti-beatings. The SI is anti-beatings.
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*begins double checking how PG the thread is supposed to stay*
 
I'm pretty sure Trident has sufficent accuracy to directly target infrastructure (after all, it's pretty much the same as the U.S. Navy's missiles), but the point remains that the targeteers don't target cities (not for any humanitarian reasons; it's simply that it's utterly wasteful) but rather installations and strategic targets that, unfortunatly, happen to oft coincide with urban areas...

(Also the oft-quoted "enough devices to destroy the world X over" is one of those things that while technically-true-in-theory in practice quickly becomes a case of '...we don't have enough warheads' due to wastage (missiles exploding on the way up, warheads not releasing and burning up, duds, fizzles, ABM intercepts, etc.)

Still, a huge responsibility. And I rather suspect that while Bats probably does suspect something is up between OL and Nabu, he doesn't know the details or the timing, and it's this that winds up with Batman not liking OL very much later. "We trusted you and then this-"
 
Why are Accomplished Perfect Physician and Wonder Woman there? WW is subsonic by a large margin and has no inherent ranged attacks, and I don't think ACP can even fly. The Flash seems like a better choice for this group, because at the very least he could set up some countermeasure along a missile's flight path.
 
Mr Zoat said:
I remember that belligerent powers generally don't target population centres. The UK does because Trident's got poor accuracy, but the US and Russia generally point theirs at military and government targets. Of course, those are usually located in cities.
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Umm... Unless that's some kind of DC canon BS...? UK missile and fire control systems are identical to US ones (save for launch authorisation) and are pretty accurate. And the whole point of MAD is to credibly threaten the extermination of the other side; which means its population. Targeting military targets only was tried early on, before everyone concluded it was neither effective nor workable.
 
Mizu said:
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Thank you, corrected.
Empiricist2 said:
Why are Accomplished Perfect Physician and Wonder Woman there? WW is subsonic by a large margin and has no inherent ranged attacks, and I don't think ACP can even fly. The Flash seems like a better choice for this group, because at the very least he could set up some countermeasure along a missile's flight path.
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The invisible jet and Batman's plane are both capable of supersonic flight. APP has a huge range on his attacks and as demonstrated at new year can teleport.
ANTIcarrot said:
Umm... Unless that's some kind of DC canon BS...? UK missile and fire control systems are identical to US ones (save for launch authorisation) and are pretty accurate. And the whole point of MAD is to credibly threaten the extermination of the other side; which means its population. Targeting military targets only was tried early on, before everyone concluded it was neither effective nor workable.
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The SI is remembering a piece he heard on BBC radio four several years ago. He hasn't researched the subject in any detail.
 
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If I was sitting around that table, I'd be discussing more subtle ways of stopping a nuclear exchange.

Things like modifying the warhead's implosion charges to fire asymmetrically. Introducing subtle structural flaws in supporting struts of the rocket motors. Slightly altering the chemical composition of the solid rocket motor fuel to burn too hot, causing an overpressure situation.

Basically a bunch of things that are difficult to find in a normal inspection, or even during the decommissioning of the missile and warhead. If they all fail to reach targets and fail to detonate, you just have a radiological hazard to clean up later.

The trick is finding all the launch sites.
 
Using power rings to subspace the explosive and nuclear parts, leaving the nukes seemingly untouched, and replacing it with something harmless?
the nukes seem fine from the outside, but are practically harmless? (practically, as they are still large pieces of metal, that would probably kill people if they fall on them...
 
Look, you start proactively removing nukes as a Superhero and you end up doing the plot of Superman IV. And everyone would like to avoid the indignity of having to deal with solar powered Nuclear Men. :p
 
ej190 said:
Wow, the Justice League is really trusting OL over here. That, and quite a bit of respect for him too.
It's gonna make the Nabu fiasco just a tiny bit awkward...
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Maybe that's the point. Maybe they suspect there are issues between Nabu and OL and this is their way of extending an olive branch in a attempt to head those problems off. Because, as the 1st Marvel Civil War showed us, when superheroes fight among themselves, we all lose.
 
So, considering the rather secretive nature of these Defense briefings, I take it The Justice League more or less considers OL to be on the roster in all but name, at this point?
 
wow OL's need to be proactive about problems was actually competing with his morality? Anyways if superheroes start preemptively taking out missile silos that just starts them on the path of Justice Lords, The Authority, and The Elite!
 
Mr Zoat said:
if even one percent of the nuclear powers' devices reached their targets-
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Mr Zoat said:
the immediate death toll might well be in the region of one billion people.
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...does the Young Justice universe have a LOT more nukes than ours does?
Because in our world you'd struggle to get past a few hundred million deaths. A Minuteman nuke on LA would kill <1 million people and there are only 15000 nukes in the world in total, let alone servicable long range ones.
 
Fair Letters said:
...does the Young Justice universe have a LOT more nukes than ours does?
Because in our world you'd struggle to get past a few hundred million deaths. A Minuteman nuke on LA would kill <1 million people and there are only 15000 nukes in the world in total, let alone servicable long range ones.
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Do you really think that you or anyone else in this thread knows about all the WMDs that every global nation is almost certainly packing in secret?
 
Fair Letters said:
...does the Young Justice universe have a LOT more nukes than ours does?
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Possibly.

During the battle against Warworld, the League, Doctor Fate and Green Beetle were dealing with sixty four per cent of the missiles fired by Mongul, while orbital interceptors deployed by the conventional militaries dealing with a further 13%.

Which doesn't sound like much, but the remaining 23% of that was supposed to devastate an hemisphere and annihilate all life on Earth, which forced the Reach to deploy their hidden fleet, so 13% is actually about equivalent to half a mass extinction event.

Also, considering the map in the Watchtower, the number of nations capable of putting interception missiles in orbit as of season 2 includes:

-Mexico
-Colombia
-Venezuela
-Brazil
-Algeria
-Morocco
-Spain
-Norway

That suggests substantially greater capabilities than our timeline.
 
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Xavier Bronze said:
Do you really think that you or anyone else in this thread knows about all the WMDs that every global nation is almost certainly packing in secret?
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Probably not much point in having very many secret nukes.

Sure, you need some, to help with building a proper balance of terror and preventing a clever first strike disabling most of your stock... but the main point of nukes is that everyone knows you have them - so having a significant portion be secret is unnecessary.
 
tristar said:
Anyways if superheroes start preemptively taking out missile silos that just starts them on the path of Justice Lords, The Authority, and The Elite!
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I think it was more of a "In case of global, thermonuclear war, just slag all the stationary silos before the launch procedures are finished," and the counter argument being "What about the good people refusing to push the button even if they're being nuked?"

Being too proactive in a missile crisis, instead of trusting calmer heads to prevail, can be quite counterproductive. During the Black Brant scare of '95, a Norwegian sounding rocket deviated from the planned course, while some Russian radio operator failed to receieve a message about this. The launch and staging seemed pretty similar to the American Trident ICBM, and the Americans had been scouting the area recently, as well. Boris Jeltsin sat more or less with the finger on the button, but he waited til the single rocket splashed down in the sea. If some enterprising individual went around slagging Russian silos in the meantime, you can bet the situation would have escalated. We are talking quite small margins, as a Trident could have reached Moskow inside of 10 minutes, and the Russians were ready to launch with 8 minutes to spare. Much easier to spoof the "Stand down, all clear," signal from the respective heads of state.
 
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