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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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Mr Zoat said:
I seem to remember something about SV having an adult forum? Am I remembering correctly? I ask because I've been getting an impulse to write what would have happened if the SI had said 'yes' to Holly and Karon and I'd rather do it here than QQ.
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Both the private SV adult forum, which I don't believe covers creative things, and QQ are p much barren wastelands. Sufficiently Sexy in particular requires jumping through hoops to even access, including having to write an essay on why you should be allowed to get in.
 
Mr Zoat said:
"These are corporate logos from companies owned by LexCorp before the League of Shadows... And after." I give them a moment to take the images in. "Please note the change in emphasis here and here..."

Garth gets it first. "Those are runic wards."

"Yep. But it gets better. LexCorp has a paper production business. And guess what shapes are now included in the structure of the paper? And guess who are adding it to their computer security product line?"
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When creating the spell eater, it was established that the runes do nothing on their own until they have been imbued with magic by a wizard. Sephtian had to make massive changes to how wizards work in order to allow an entire workshop to link together to perform large scale shared enchanting of said runes.

This is also why OL can't just make a construct in the shape of runes for instant magic. You are applying different rules to the heroes and the villains. Magic A is Magic B
 
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"Were you able to apprehend The Demon Constantine?"

I nod. "Bound in magic suppression chains and handed over to Belle Reve."
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... Well that's practically begging for shit to go wrong. Should have just killed him permanently if narrative wouldn't allow for assimilation.
mrttao said:
When creating the spell eater, it was established that the runes do nothing on their own until they have been imbued with magic by a wizard. Sephtian had to make massive changes to how wizards work in order to allow an entire workshop to link together to perform large scale shared enchanting of said runes.

This is also why OL can't just make a construct in the shape of runes for instant magic. You are applying different rules to the heroes and the villains. Magic A is Magic B
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"Uh, uh. Magic printers!"
 
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Norgarth said:
Readers: "Why doesn't OL use all these easy to gain powers? He's being an idiot not grabbing them!
Zoat: Gives OL those powers.
Readers: He's curbstomping everything, this is boring!
Zoat: rolls eyes.
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That is an excellent reason for him to fail, not a reason for him to not try.

Although as others have told me already, the reason it won't work is because his soul is orange. (don't see why that is a problem, but fine).
GodKiller999 said:
"Uh, uh. Magic printers!"
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Maybe, but in that case OL's #1 priority should be to steal the tech and integrate it into atlantis' production line so they can start mass producing stuff and drastically reducing the strain on sephtian.
Replace every single train in the world with dolman gates just for a start.

Especially considering the tech is flexible enough to work on their logos and software too
 
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Mr Zoat said:
I seem to remember something about SV having an adult forum? Am I remembering correctly? I ask because I've been getting an impulse to write what would have happened if the SI had said 'yes' to Holly and Karon and I'd rather do it here than QQ.
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Yeah, it's called Sufficient Sexy. You have to Submit an Subforum Access Request
 
 
mrttao said:
When creating the spell eater, it was established that the runes do nothing on their own until they have been imbued with magic by a wizard. Sephtian had to make massive changes to how wizards work in order to allow an entire workshop to link together to perform large scale shared enchanting of said runes.

This is also why OL can't just make a construct in the shape of runes for instant magic. You are applying different rules to the heroes and the villains. Magic A is Magic B
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Speaking of Sephtian, if we're talking about OL having problems with anti-scry runes, why not have him make a counter for it?

Nothing huge, nothing so overpowered as in "We place this here, now I can scan forever!" Like for example, five runic-stones that would have to be placed in a pentagon configuration over a fixed amount of area so it can fry all minor wards inside said area. The necessity of preparation and allies would balance it out, giving OL a way of scanning previously warded locations while not being so overly useful that it would break the story.
 
That can work, but overwhelming the wards wasn't the problem. In this mission Tula and Garth could have overloaded the mansion wards fairly easily. It's finding things out without tipping people off.
 
btw, shouldn't OL be able to use the eyes thing with ophidian merger to locate the missing speedster?
I know he is trying to avoid relying on ophidian, but this is a pretty major issue.

Mr Zoat said:
That can work, but overwhelming the wards wasn't the problem. In this mission Tula and Garth could have overloaded the mansion wards fairly easily. It's finding things out without tipping people off.
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That is only an issue when they are doing a specific mission at a specific location rather than planetwide scanning for stuff

readerdreamer said:
Speaking of Sephtian, if we're talking about OL having problems with anti-scry runes, why not have him make a counter for it?

Nothing huge, nothing so overpowered as in "We place this here, now I can scan forever!" Like for example, five runic-stones that would have to be placed in a pentagon configuration over a fixed amount of area so it can fry all minor wards inside said area. The necessity of preparation and allies would balance it out, giving OL a way of scanning previously warded locations while not being so overly useful that it would break the story.
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hasn't grayven been doing basically that with his mana mapping satellites?
I think it is one of those things again where primary OL is just not as forward thinking as grayven

honestly, in many ways i like grayven more.
 
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Mr Zoat said:
That can work, but overwhelming the wards wasn't the problem. In this mission Tula and Garth could have overloaded the mansion wards fairly easily. It's finding things out without tipping people off.
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Still, the mere option of being able to do it even without magical allies is already reason to try to get such a tool developed. Better have it than not, right?
 
aeqnai said:
Both the private SV adult forum, which I don't believe covers creative things, and QQ are p much barren wastelands. Sufficiently Sexy in particular requires jumping through hoops to even access, including having to write an essay on why you should be allowed to get in.
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There are definitely creative things in SS, both stories and quests.

The "essay" basically boils down to reading what has been written about why the forum exists and how it works, and showing that you can at least fake comprehension of the reasoning. The length restriction is because the mods presumably don't have time to read ten thousand words on "why I should be allowed into the semi-private forum," and because if you can't get a basic understanding down in less than 250 words, you probably don't have one.
 
drasteed said:
The Maltusians are the ones that made the Starheart, the trapped-crystallized magic of the entire universe. The Empire of Tears also says hello. They erased magic from most of the DC universe and the only reason Earth has it is because of the White Entity.
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Not in the Young Justice universe. Here Alan's Lantern is a normal (though damaged) power Lantern and Ring, no magic involved.

Mr Zoat said:
The only way to 'fix' the problem would be to fry every ward on the planet, and keep doing it whenever anyone tried making new ones. That is just about possible, but would be taken as extremely hostile action by currently neutral or friendly parties. Plus there's the risk of frying things you didn't want to fry.
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Plus cause the paper to ignite doesn't tell you what was on the paper, so you still don't get the info, you just piss people off and let them know that someone was trying to spy on their stuff.
 
shepsquared said:
There. Now lets all agree to never bitch about scry-wards ever again.
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That's optimistic to the point if being a Blue Lantern.
Vaermina said:
He still hasn't explained why he hasn't tried to work out a broad reaching countermeasure to their countermeasure.
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You mean like the anti-scry drone that showed up near the beginning of this mission?

Also, Sephtian said when scry wards were first discussed that he couldn't do anything to help the ring with scry-breaking stuff, as OL is not a magic user. Seeing as he is the best mortal artificer possibly on the entire planet, his word is pretty strong.
Kachajal said:
My headcanon/understanding here is that the Guardians never encountered magic, and therefore never introduced any countermeasures. Therefore what stops lanterns won't stop even the weakest of natural magic users. It's a blind spot for rings, essentially.
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I think it's just that magic is relatively rare in the universe, and unless purposely expanded it is localized to the host planet. So developing general countermeasures to a phenomenon that only occurs on a handful of planets in an entire galaxy is just not worth the Guardians' time, especially when scry wards don't stop any active scans.
torac said:
I know they cannot stop many magic users. I was more thinking along the lines of someone scrying for something in one of Luthor's buildings and all the paper starting to burn. As in, the magic user is not stopped and all the weak scry wards combust.
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Kinda obvious when scans are generally supposed to be stealthy.
Silverias said:
Honestly, I genuinely expect there to be a ring method that bypasses scry wards.

OL just doesn't know it and it's something of an OCP for the ring itself, so he'll have to ask a Maltusian.
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Sephtian said no, and presumably he's looked into it afterwards.

And active scans still work, so he's not actually blocked from scanning, only from doing so stealthily.
Mr Zoat said:
I'll point out that scry wards only block the ring's simple and oh so very useful scan. Optic scans, infrared scans, EMR scans and such like conducted by the ring or my by construct are unaffected.
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People keep forgetting this, when it's incredibly relevant.

Mr Zoat said:
I seem to remember something about SV having an adult forum? Am I remembering correctly? I ask because I've been getting an impulse to write what would have happened if the SI had said 'yes' to Holly and Karon and I'd rather do it here than QQ.
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Given the barrier to entry for reading from SS and QQ, I'd recommend another approach. Possibly share it in PMs to anyone who requests to read it (I'm assuming the normal rules on posting don't apply here if everyone involved opts in, but I'm not sure). Maybe make a Tumblr/Reddit account under your name, post it there, then just mention in this thread that it was posted and to search 'Mr. Zoat Tumblr/Reddit' and it will show up.
Oh, and did you start Mother of Learning yet?
 
Empiricist2 said:
I think it's just that magic is relatively rare in the universe, and unless purposely expanded it is localized to the host planet. So developing general countermeasures to a phenomenon that only occurs on a handful of planets in an entire galaxy is just not worth the Guardians' time, especially when scry wards don't stop any active scans.
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My headcanon is that the Guardians do have a repository for anti-magic stuff but after the fall of the Empire of Tears they only give it out on a case-by-case basis.
 
mrttao said:
When creating the spell eater, it was established that the runes do nothing on their own until they have been imbued with magic by a wizard. Sephtian had to make massive changes to how wizards work in order to allow an entire workshop to link together to perform large scale shared enchanting of said runes.

This is also why OL can't just make a construct in the shape of runes for instant magic. You are applying different rules to the heroes and the villains. Magic A is Magic B
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The SPELL EATER runes do nothing on their own, but the spell eater spell is fairly complex. Likewise, it's often the case that runes are simply a single step in a ritual, so just drawing those runes isn't enough to cause a magical effect. But some runic configurations are magical in their own right (or at least can be powered by Earth's ambient magical field) as long as they're sufficiently precise.
 
Coda said:
The SPELL EATER runes do nothing on their own, but the spell eater spell is fairly complex. Likewise, it's often the case that runes are simply a single step in a ritual, so just drawing those runes isn't enough to cause a magical effect. But some runic configurations are magical in their own right (or at least can be powered by Earth's ambient magical field) as long as they're sufficiently precise.
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If it varies by rune type then there should still be the possibility of designing a variety of useful magic effects and then mass producing them via ring.
 
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