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So anyone else think that Pushkin will be unable to join the league now due to not following the rules of engagement?

Given how the league has been portrayed to react to superheroes killing I would be very surprised if they allowed someone who was willing to kill multiple friendlines under any circumstance to join.
 
So anyone else think that Pushkin will be unable to join the league now due to not following the rules of engagement?

Given how the league has been portrayed to react to superheroes killing I would be very surprised if they allowed someone who was willing to kill multiple friendlines under any circumstance to join.

He's a soldier. "I was following orders from my chain of command" is a reasonable excuse, and if he were to join the League, the League would then be his chain of command. I mean, they let Captain Atom in, right?
 
But even at his full Speed Force Origin power level, Flash can only hit a few times harder than normal human maximum.

Actually he KOed a white martian with a technique called the "Infinite Mass Punch."

Well to be exact punched him out of Earth's atmosphere where he then achieved reentry and landed in Africa.
 
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But even at his full Speed Force Origin power level, Flash can only hit a few times harder than normal human maximum.

Actually he KOed a white martian with a technique called the "Infinite Mass Punch."

Well to be exact punched him out of Earth's atmosphere where he then achieved reentry and landed in Africa.

Correct. In fact, here's the proof:


Similarly:


I mean, this probably doesn't apply to Earth-16, but Flash in the comics is capable of hitting much harder than only a few times human force.
 
Batman disproves your point.
No, he doesn't. Batman would die if someone managed to partially embed him in a wall and a number of other things OL has survived; and he's barely managed to maintain the status quo, much less instigate major positive changes like OL has. And Batman is pretty notorious for requiring the power of plot to do a lot of the things he does.

I'm a little surprised OL didn't use an ultrasound probe. Isn't that his typical fallback when scanning fails?
Not enough time, and not as useful on people moving faster than sound.
 
Seems like a roundabout way to go about it, you use the speed and then have to evaluate a hard to define amount of time to calculate the force. If instead you just calculated the amount of energy transmitted per punch it'd seem like a more sensible measure to me. Anyway, it's not like things would make that much sense at those speed in the first place.
 
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Might want to make it more clear that whatever is touching the liquid steams.
At him with.
Thank you, corrected.
So anyone else think that Pushkin will be unable to join the league now due to not following the rules of engagement?
If that was a requirement, Major Adam would be out on his arse. He has fought and killed for the US while in his powered state.
Given how the league has been portrayed to react to superheroes killing I would be very surprised if they allowed someone who was willing to kill multiple friendlies under any circumstance to join.
They might be concerned, but he was acting in accordance with his orders and they know what could happen if the Formula got out. Several of them won't be at all happy about it, but it isn't an automatic exclusion thing.
Was reading the story only and found a few bits that might need correction:
it was draining
what is there to say
No, both are correct. Caning was a punishment in British schools where the malfeasant would be struck with a length of wood. Caning in this context means 'doing a great deal of damage to'. The other is slightly odd phrasing from a slightly odd person.
 
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Would cold guns have worked to stop the speedsters? They were designed to stop the Flash after all.

Or instead of sending out a cloud of filaments, send out bars of solid orange that branch out as they travel to block any easy running path around the room. May have been too slow to happen before they left, but it would be worth a shot.
 
Quite possibly; but that brings up the problem of friendly fire again. With Kid Flash in action indiscriminate attacks risk hitting him as well as the bad guys.

Yeah, I tried indiscriminate fire once for this questline. Turns out that if you accidentally kill Kid Flash, you trigger the Terror Titans flag way too early and Earth gets ravaged as a result. It really messes up your playthrough. I don't recommend it.
 
Would cold guns have worked to stop the speedsters? They were designed to stop the Flash after all.
If used just right, they would stop them dead with no lasting damage. If not used just right, it would kill them, Wallace and possibly everyone else in the building.
Or instead of sending out a cloud of filaments, send out bars of solid orange that branch out as they travel to block any easy running path around the room. May have been too slow to happen before they left, but it would be worth a shot.
Might have worked, but it wouldn't be all that fast.
 
The problem starts when we move upward, into fights like this one, where OL pretty much gets stomped all over and never really gets his feet under him to begin the aforementioned give-and-take. Thanks to his rather impressive powers, him being overwhelmed generally has to be accomplished through one of a few methods (scry wards, anyone?), and seeing the protagonist lose to the same tactic repeatedly can get irksome.
The whole encounter took place in a very short time frame. OL's accelerated perception only lasts 4 seconds, and in that time the attackers killed at least 3 people (the doctor and male Blue Trinity members), engaged Kid Flash in an ongoing fight, tried to punch through OL's shield/armor, attacked Robin at least once, White was staggered by the Vertigo inducers and had to dodge one of Pushkin's shots, Black carved some holes into the metal door, and they removed Lady Blue from her pod and escaped with her.

In this case, almost anyone would have been likewise disadvantaged if not more so.

Missed that. Doesn't actually change the point, though, as Alan was inspired by Aladdin, not by Lensmen.
Fair enough. actually I think this tangent was triggered by... *searches back through thread* here it is.
The Lensman series is were they copied Green Lantern from after all.
Ok, so (just in case you haven't been following this tangent, Pinklestia) Lenses (which came first) and Lantern Rings seem to be more 'convergent evolution' than either being inspired by the other.
 
So anyone else think that Pushkin will be unable to join the league now due to not following the rules of engagement?

Given how the league has been portrayed to react to superheroes killing I would be very surprised if they allowed someone who was willing to kill multiple friendlines under any circumstance to join.
The alternative was setting off the nuke under the facility according to policy the place was operating under.
If he hadn't activated those defenses he probably would have been jailed for dereliction of duty.
They could still jump around at super speed. And if they obeyed aerodynamics at all they could probably run on the floor and ceiling by making a spoiler with their hands, which is an amusing mental image.
Maneuvering in zero-g is tricky for a beginner. It would be even more so for someone trying to figure out how to handle super speed while floating. Judging how hard to push off is something everyone screws up the first time and would most likely have resulted in the attackers face-planting into the walls and ceiling.
 
Judging how hard to push off is something everyone screws up the first time and would most likely have resulted in the attackers face-planting into the walls and ceiling.

Or possibly through the walls and ceiling. Not sure how well that would work out for... well, anyone in the area, since the walls are apparently electrified.
 
Oh I just thought of a counter for superspeedsters- Airwave's helmet, which converts people into radio waves, which move at the speed of light by the by.

Sure, they retconned that as "No, his power doesn't come from his helmet, but his metagene," but honestly, it's easier to believe that his powers came from the helmet and then his metagene absorbed the ability just like Black Lightning, Icicle, or Alan Scott, then the idea that the original Airwave's son just happened to be able to turn into radio waves which were his father's gimmick and his father just somehow knew he'd have that superpower, a power that he didn't manifest for another 13 years after the father's death.

Duplicating the powers of supertech devices owned just seems to be one of the favored tricks in the metagene's wheel house.

And as a 17 year old (at the time of his origin), second generation superhero who just so happens to be Hal Jordan's cousin, he might be worth considering for joining the Team, actually, now that I'm thinking about it.
 
Zigzag (part 10)
5th May
01:22 GMT +11


"An unfortunate -though not wholly unanticipated- event."

The Director was here within two hours of the Major reporting the attack. We're standing in the base's briefing room and the Major has been glowing bright yellow since he got off the telephone. It's a bit of a joke about excessive security precautions; so secret that even his name is classified. Major Adam's name was sort of a secret while he was being 'Cameron Scott' but it was never actually classified. The whole masquerade was technically for his benefit.

The Director's name actually is a secret. On no document that I've been able to see is his real name recorded, which is weird given that he's technically just a political appointee. I can see his patterns of emotion easily enough: green-orange with no indigo. That might mean that he's a psychopath, but lower intensity examples of psychopathy often lend themselves to office environments. Did he used to be a Soviet superhero? I'm pretty sure that was Steel Wolf with him as a bodyguard, and for that nutter to be willing to do bodyguard work he must consider the Director to be absolutely essential to the good of Russia.

The Director makes eye contact with the Major. "You have arranged to have the bodies of the deceased members of Blue Trinity cremated."

"Yes, Director."

"With Blue Trinity no longer present, this facility has served its purpose. We will discuss this further when this matter is resolved. Dismissed."

The Major about faces and marches from the room. Even once he is outside with a wall between him and the Director he doesn't relax at all.

"Sergeant. Members of the Justice Youth. Given the speed with which the attack took place, you are to be commended on the speed of your reactions." He focuses on Wallace. "Kid Flash, you will be given all computer records we possess on the treatment regime given to Blue Trinity."

"But that Black.. Flash.. guy got away!"

"I am fully cognisant of that fact. But a brief review of the case suggests that the attackers took opportunistic advantage of a gap in our defences. No one but you knew exactly when you were coming here for long enough to arrange anything sophisticated. I see no reason to deny you our aid simply because your presence coincided with this incident."

"I didn't mean that! Why aren't you going after them?"

The Director's expression doesn't change. "Kid Flash, under my direct command I have Sergeant Pushkin, ten Rocket Reds with advanced suits, two platoons of Red Rockets with standard suits, a company of soldiers of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and various other specialists. With a phone call I can call upon any of the resources of the Russian government. I have the authority -should I deem it essential to the national good- to deploy a tactical nuclear device on my own recognisance. But where should I deploy it? If this 'Black Flash' is as fast as you then he could be anywhere within three thousand kilometres and moving faster than anything we could send after him. If he is as fast as the Flash then he could be anywhere on the Earth." Wallace wilts slightly. "No. Now is not the time for rash action. Now is the time for a careful discovery and examination of facts."

Canis grimaces. He is not happy about missing the fight, though I'm not sure what exactly he thinks he could have done. "What if your people have betrayed you?"

"Operative Truth of the Alliance will be interrogating everyone who could have known, but I think it unlikely that she will find what we are looking for. Postings here are not easily predictable and all communication is closely monitored."

Richard nods. "Who knows about this base?"

"That this base exists is not a secret. Precisely what was housed here was a secret known to very few, though as you yourself discovered it is a logical place to look for someone interested in Russia's attempts to create super speed."

"Did you have any kind of tracking devices on Blue Trinity?"

"Yes. They were removed from them during the attack."

Richard looks at me. "Oh El?"

I shake my head. "Tried and failed, I'm afraid. Mister Director, do you have any idea how long it would take to reverse engineer a workable version of the Garrick Formula from Miss Molotova's body tissues?"

"When the Russian project began working on replicating Mister Garrick's work, we had more intelligence to go on and it still took us more than a decade. Now, with modern medical equipment and spectrographs, it may well take a lot less time. What is of greater concern to me is that they already have some method of bestowing super speed."

Wallace shrugs. "It was just Velocity Nine, right? That stuff still shows up in the US a couple of times a year. I guess if someone actually trained with it-."

"The initial blood test results do not appear to contain any Velocity Nine. Or show any of the signs of prior Velocity Nine use. That result will need to be checked of course, but the equipment here is advanced and the researchers are highly experienced with super speed related medicine. It is unlikely that they would make such a mistake."

Richard looks puzzled. "So if they've already got a way to give people super speed, why do they need the Garrick Formula?"

"Yes. That is an excellent question. If it is not Velocity Nine and not the Garrick Formula, what could it be? If we do not know what it is then it is far harder to narrow the range of possible culprits."

"So we've got no idea at all?!"

"I would not say that." The Director walks over to the room's podium and an image appears on the projection screen behind him. An elderly man's face, grizzled rather than frail. "This is Feodor Kerimov. He once held the rank of General in the Soviet Army. He resigned his commission during the early nineties. While he was on active duty he was a proponent of the aggressive use of enhanced soldiers, and I have uncovered people feeding him information on Russia's older programs on several occasions."

Richard frowns. "Then why haven't you arrested him?"

"As the Soviet Union's influence went into decline, he acquired certain business interests in Azerbaijan and now has a joint nationality. He has not returned to the Russian Federation for several years and has many well placed friends in the government of his new homeland. While I could arrest him, doing so would require me to send Russian operatives into an independent country."

Richard nods. "Which would be an act of war."

"Russia against Azerbaijan? No, it would not be much of a war. But the political fallout both internally and internationally as a result of Russia behaving in such a way towards a former Soviet Republic would be quite serious. I am not prepared to order that yet. Instead, I am minded to increase our intelligence gathering operations against him. If I have hard evidence to present, it may be that he would find that his new friends become a good deal less friendly."

Wallace makes a curling gesture with his right forearm. "We could go in. We're not Russian."

"If he ends up in Russian custody, I do not think that our critics will be mollified by the fact that he was put there by Americans."

"We can take a look around for you. If we find Miss Molotova or… Information he stole from Russian intelligence, you could get him arrested, right?"

The Director nods. "Yes, pressure could be brought to bear to make that happen. The Russian government would be grateful for any assistance you feel that you can provide on this matter."

"Alright, stop." Wallace twists his head in my direction. "Mister Director, are you sure that General Kerimov is responsible?"

"No, but I have no other active investigations into anyone with his proven interest and capacity. There are Russian officers and politicians who have expressed an interest in expanding our metahuman program, but none of them have been actively spying on our programs. There are paramilitary organisations who would like to gain information for terrorist purposes or for sale, but they lack the resources to perform such an attack."

"Right. Thank you for the information, Mister Director. We will relay your request for assistance to Batman."

"Oh El!" Wallace looks pained. "That could take all day! We need-!"

"We gather information covertly, Kid Flash. We wouldn't be charging in in any case. Taking a few additional hours to get there wouldn't change much. More importantly, deciding whether to deploy the team remains Batman's responsibility."

He takes a moment to get his instinctive truculence under control. "Fine."

"Since it's clearly so important to you, I will suggest that he send us. Mister Director, could you please give us everything you have on General Kerimov?"

"Of course. I would be pleased to."
 
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Sorry, what? @Mr Zoat was grammatically correct, to my knowledge. The question asked referred to the character in the past tense, and if you make it a statement - "He used to be a Soviet superhero." - then the past tense "used" is absolutely correct. Since the question is past tense as well ("did" as opposed to "is"), "used to be" isn't wrong.

I apologize if that came off as a little confrontational, but mashing my buttons, here. One of the few things that annoys me more than very obvious and glaring mistakes in a work I'm reading is when someone tries to correct something in that work that doesn't need corrected. It bothers me twice as much when someone is trying to correct me on something I know I've done right.

EDIT: Or...I'm wrong. Fuuhh. Why is the English language so friggin' complicated? :mad:

Just ignore me. I'm gonna go...sit in a corner and let my self-esteem recover.
 
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