With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
- Thread starter Mr Zoat
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whats up with martian caste systems anyway?
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We know there's something different in their very soul. And that Reds suffer the least from the Guardian programming.
Nah. It was low-key mentioned ages ago.
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To be dead honest, I'm not sure M'gann should be allowed to act as a spokesperson for all of Mars here.
If it turned out that humans were originally transcendent hyperbeings which were crippled by a group of aliens because they were acting like dicks, would you invest a randomly-selected teenage girl with the right to say whether or not you should be made aware, and given the option to start trying to find a way of unlocking the powers denied you by that ancient intervention?
How in Hell is a dickass caste system where people are already lording it over others thanks to getting a little bit more of their Burner birthright than the rest somehow preferable to leveling the playing field? Because M'gann M'orzz thought the unsocialized Martian Australopithecus had a scary brain?
In the story.
More seriously: I honestly can't be bothered to go hunting for it, sorry.
The Chosen One
Yes, THAT One.
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I think she first appeared as a paper-white Human during the Womanhunter episode, and she just sort of stuck with it? It's probably been mentioned explicitly in-story about as much as Renegade's M'gann being Red, or Kon being bald, ie not at all after it was first established.
Makes it easy to forget when you have a baseline image in your head ingrained from the original show. Actually, I think this calls for some fanart. Dunno what I can promise, personally; my laptop's in poor repair, but I've got time, let's see...
Edit: What happened to that reference post with the respective Team rosters?
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Ganurath
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Last update of the evil twin episode, which was called Doppleganger. Easiest way to find it is to go to the "Prayer" threadmark in the Story Only thread and scroll up one post.
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I'd use other words to describe it. "Creepy", perhaps. "Existentially disturbing" might be better.
Essentially, it's arguing that this is a civilization where people are judged in absentia based on their innate self. That's still bullshit, considering that you are more than your instincts and I'd honestly argue that the man who claws his way to righteousness is more noble than the man who got to skate there thanks to a spiritual/intellectual/genetic lottery. Martians are given no chance by society to try and better themselves, they're just shoved into a box.
Str'ugglin'gg S'tan'lee, the White Martian who spends every day fighting to be a good person and resist his darker impulses, gets treated just as shittily as D'oucheba'gg D'ugg, the sociopathic asshole who sells Martian crack to children. Meanwhile, Du'biu'ss D'arr'laa's compassion is steadily eclipsed by her tendency toward narcissistic self-delusion because hey, she's a Red Martian, and they're always the good guys!
You've traded one form of racist discrimination for another.
Unless, of course, you're arguing that the discrimination means that the stereotypes are 100% accurate - every White Martian is a total bastard who can't be trusted, every Red Martian is a noble humanitarian/arrogant patrician, and subversion of the racial phenotype is verboten by the narrative itself, in which case you've made things vastly less interesting, much more unconfortable, and vaguely Sue-ish.
I can just shop a pic of M'gaan to white if people want.
Karuadin
Vago Mundo
Here you go.
First spoiler is the Team, second spoiler is the League.
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As the bishop said to the actress.
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No.
So only two days of Earth's light has reached Lex because of time dilation? Earth's Light ≠ Earth. When OL takes Lex back to earth, they are traveling past all the Light still in transit to the position of Lexes STL ship.
No, there is no Earth in the window at all. There is only the light from Earth hitting the window, and Earth is where OL just came from, where 3 years have passed.
No, this is where someone is trying to insert magical thinking.
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What about just removing the bit that makes them isolationists xenophobes while leaving the fear of fire intact?
Didn't she use that technique when fighting the burning Martian?
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Could they be daisy chained? maybe via small space stations?
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Yes, but why would you want to? The problem isn't distance, it's the edge of the Earth's 'magic envelope'.
actually its someone trying to apply incompatible physics sets.
the fictional one that allows ftl
and the real one that says that ftl allows time travel because time is a localized phenomenon and dependent on the relative velocities of frames of reference.
ftl is time travel because the speed of light is the speed of instantaneous teleportation (from the perfectly valid perspective of the photon), and getting from A to B faster than instantaneously means time travel
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I thought the problem was distance. thanks for clarifying
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Where is the idea that Earth has a magic envelope from anyways?
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Zoat's brain, more or less. Honestly, it really gives the impression that magic is kind of shit once you move beyond planetary scale, considering it just means your enemies will blast your holdings into dust from space rather than coming down to fight your warlocks, while you can't do much of anything against them other than turtle up and hope they run out of KKVs before you run out of juju.
It pretty much kills the entire idea of the Empire of Tears being this badass gang of space-wizard tyrants, considering they'd have needed time to get their powers working again every time they moved to a different planet, would have been effectively helpless while in transit, and just generally have been child's play for any tech-heavy civilization to crush. Presumably, Earth-16's version of them must have just gussied up their railguns with "magic" symbols, with maybe a few long-term sorcery projects set up on a few of their core worlds to help beef their industry.
Basically, this is a setting where Kid Flash's dismissal of magic becomes totally justified once you reach the galactic scale; quantum teleporters don't shut down just because you moved to a different point in space, whereas Dolmen Gates will leave your ass in the cold if you dare move them a few AU out from their planet of origin. I suppose that also explains why the Lords of Order and Chaos aren't significant forces in the universe at large - they're hiding from everyone else to avoid being either enslaved or exterminated.
Renegade Kon is bald? Is he calling himself Rao?
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My head, more or less.
Simple association with the living planet over a period of time causes certain trends to develop. Some of these have a degree of awareness; elementals and some types of god. Others are purely natural phenomena like dragon lines. When you are further away from these, they are difficult or impossible to access. Dolmen Gates rely on local magic working in a very particular way, and though the underlying rules of thaumaturgy are the same the particulars of how it works in practice are rather different. The presence of the Life Entity makes this even more complicated; not only is there more raw power around and organising itself but the local species tend to be better at using it.
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Actually, magic civilisations usually learn to extend the reach of their magics further and further away from their worlds. Some let it happen organically by using magic further than further form their planet of origin, and others literally take lumps of home away with them. Either than or learn to use 'unformatted' or universal energy types.
Order is a universal. Lord thereof can draw and apply power pretty much anywhere. Unlike someone like Rob, Nabu could fly quite happily in deep space if he had to, though above a certain level it's actually a good deal easier to travel straight from the edge of one envelope to another.
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