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Edit 2: Chi disruption? They established in universe that you can fix that with flipping acupuncture! Does Republic City have no needles in it or something?
They'd first need to KNOW how to do something like that. I'm trying to find a good metaphor, because apparently that's what I do for 'fun'.

How about,
"All they need for irrigation is an aqueduct! Does the city not have brick layers?"
It's close, but not quite.
Cheesemakers work with mold. Penicillin comes from a mold. Cheesemakers can heal diseases?
But, it's a closer comparison than that. Healing something like that could, perhaps, fall under the purview of acupuncturists, much like making aqueducts is for bricklayers, however, cheesemakers are not focused on healing.

Asking a watchmaker to fix a car gearbox? It's all gears....

Anyway, I was waxing on stuff like empirical evidence, and how much, or rather little understanding you need to utilize an effect, but it got reeeallly divergent, so let's not.
 
"Two other brothers. That I know about. It's not like I keep track of what Father gets up to. I've never spoken to Orion, actually. He was sent to New Genesis when he was only a few days old. He turned out… Okay, in a partially civilised barbarian warrior sort of way. Kalibak grew up on Apokolips and he's a violent brute. I'd advise avoiding him."
Is there a reason that he is even lying to his wife about the fact that he is actually the new god of identity theft not the god of quest son and heir to apocalypse?
 
Is there a reason that he is even lying to his wife about the fact that he is actually the new god of identity theft not the god of quest son and heir to apocalypse?
Even though he trusts Jade completely, she is still a baseline human with relatively weak telepathic defenses. Given that his identity as Grayven is the sole reason Apokolips isn't allowed to visit Earth, telling her puts everyone on Earth at risk of a retaliatory strike from Darkseid. Once she gets Awakened and learns adequate defenses, I'm sure he'll tell her.

Also, girlfriend, not wife.
 
Even though he trusts Jade completely, she is still a baseline human with relatively weak telepathic defenses. Given that his identity as Grayven is the sole reason Apokolips isn't allowed to visit Earth, telling her puts everyone on Earth at risk of a retaliatory strike from Darkseid. Once she gets Awakened and learns adequate defenses, I'm sure he'll tell her.
Darkseid already knows, this was made clear in the "test" he sent before allowing him to claim earth as a suzereign.
.... but i guess if it becomes common knowledge on apocalypse than darkside would lose face and will have to do something about it. so that makes sense there.
Also, girlfriend, not wife.
IIRC they agreed to marry later on, did they not?
 
Darkseid already knows, this was made clear in the "test" he sent before allowing him to claim earth as a suzereign.
.... but i guess if it becomes common knowledge on apocalypse than darkside would lose face and will have to do something about it. so that makes sense there.
I'm not entirely sure. There's a good likelihood that Darkseid knows, but I don't think it's a certainty. If he does know, I imagine that he allowed this because he found it entertaining, not because he was actually fooled at one point and realized later.
IIRC they agreed to marry later on, did they not?
Grayven told Jade of his general plans of when he wanted to marry her, but he didn't actually propose, and even if he had they would still just be engaged, not married.
 
I imagine that he allowed this because he found it entertaining, not because he was actually fooled at one point and realized later.
Obviously, I never suggested otherwise.
But as entertaining as it is, if it becomes common knowledge on apocalypse that OL stole his son's identity then he might feel that he needs to do something about it to avoid looking weak
 
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OL using a kids cartoon analogy to monologue at the literal supergenius CEO and founder of a multibillion dollar pan-industrial company just seems...insulting? Unbefitting of both the speakers and the message being conveyed in my opinion.
Maybe, but it's a very OL thing to do. Lex's brain was probably short circuiting a bit.

"What? What? A cartoon? What is he going on about? Superman never shows up to lecture me about cartoons."
 
Especially since OL could probably give a better example in that each of the other allbutconfirmed members of the Light that OL has thwarted have in fact undermined the Light's espoused purpose with their shenanigans.
He doesn't know who they are though.
he wanted lex to tell him who they are.

which incidentally makes his "tell me their names and i will go destroy them because they are obviously total fools, I can tell they are total fools even though I don't have any idea who they are"
Because obviously lex who actually knows them is an horrible judge of character or something
 
Darkseid already knows, this was made clear in the "test" he sent before allowing him to claim earth as a suzereign.

To be fair, for the impersonation to work, Grayven would have to have no friends on new god facebook, no followers on new god twitter, or anyone who knows his new god equivalent of phone number or email address.

So for it to work Grayven would have to be such a complete loser that everyone on Apokalips doesn't care where he is as long as he's not in their presence.

And if it does work, then congrats Renegade, you get to be a complete and total loser that people like Vermin Vundabar and Kalibak think you're an annoying schmuck, so yay, I guess?
 
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I keep on accidentally referring to OL as we, because I am used to this being "the quests site" and I keep on subconsciously forgetting this is a fic not a quest
 
OL using a kids cartoon analogy to monologue at the literal supergenius CEO and founder of a multibillion dollar pan-industrial company just seems...insulting? Unbefitting of both the speakers and the message being conveyed in my opinion. Especially since OL could probably give a better example in that each of the other allbutconfirmed members of the Light that OL has thwarted have in fact undermined the Light's espoused purpose with their shenanigans.

To Wit:
-Raz'al Ghul: Had stolen/repurposed a grey goo matter deconstruction device that somehow could retain information and data of what it demolished. Raz's stated mission is the repair of the environment. Rather than using the grey goo to hit and run a handful of research facilities (from a van?!), Raz could have had the inventor repurpose the grey goo to deconstruct a target into its component materials. And then turned it on the many, many, many tons of garbage and toxic waste polluting the world. Or hell, he could have legitimately funded that through one of his legal proxies and used his less than legal methods to push using that waste demolishing nanite method through governmental vetting. Raz shat all over a brilliant method of nanite forged recycling to get less information and more infamy than sending a team of his super ninja assassins would have.
-Ocean Master: Second in line and all but actual Ruler of Atlantis, supports and actively encourages a racial purity movement that the majority of his nation reviles, undermines his brother's legitimate causes, and redirects a lot of political capital to pointless civil war infighting. He could quite easily have undercut his brother's regime by ACTUALLY unifying the various ruling bodies of Atlantis under the throne, pushed forward far more contact with the surface world in a show of supporting his Brother's superheroing (and tying the only magical nation willing to interact to the Light's surface world operations). Ocean Master dissolved a lot of the actual might of Atlantis' rule over a false civil war in a deluded overly complicated assassination plot to put himself on the throne, when he pretty much already was.
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Queen Bee: Managed to forge a frankly progressive and functional nation out of a Middle Eastern kingdom using methods that, while shown to be reprehensible and supervillainish, actually were far more moral and restrained than what many other nations historically have and continue to use. She then makes little to no effort to HIDE those methods, flaunts that she has aggressive aims to conquer neighboring lands, and has clear ego problems bordering on Disney Evil levels. What could have been a restrained yet effective means of unifying a region of the world perpetually locked in wars of all reasons and gradually removing the culturally established reasons for those wars under a new regime instead gets shafted by a stuck up bitch's need to flaunt her dominance and petty vengeance.

I could add more for the other members if I took the time. But I feel like this communicates what I mean. OL could have used many more relevant and rational examples to explain why he wouldn't/couldn't have Lex help develope such advances so long as they could reasonably be expected to fall into the hands of the Light's current management. Better examples than 'this one thing happened in a cartoon that doesn't exist here.'

*shudders* Savage was literally Genghis Khan. the senseless rampage of the empire he forged after his "death" was directly responsible (at the VERY least, a MAJOR contributor) to the middle east irl/in verse having the...issues its known for...they....really hated libraries . as in "the rivers running black with ink and floating corpses" hated.any anything else that smacked of civilisation, like intricate desert irrigation systems slowly built over generations that were singlehandedly keeping large swathes of land arable (the other single MASSIVE contributor was the spiteful forced dissolution of the ottoman empire and parceling out of land driven by petty vindictiveness generations later).

Ras? he's essentially Pol Pot with slightly less deranged ideology (but with the foresight to actually calculate his optimal kill-count in detail in advance!), and a Similar level of hypocracy (Pol pot's manifesto demanded the deaths of people who wore glasses,or had any form of upper education, he had both), i dont see Ra's ever thinking of wither or not he should be one of the "necessary" sacrifices he keeps blathering about, or sacrifice anything HE considers important, oh dear me no.)
and these are some the People who contributed to founding a Shadow organisation allegedly intended to "improve" humanity....
 
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To be fair, for the impersonation to work, Grayven would have to have no friends on new god facebook, no followers on new god twitter, or anyone who knows his new god equivalent of phone number or email address.

So for it to work Grayven would have to be such a complete loser that everyone on Apokalips doesn't care where he is as long as he's not in their presence.

And if it does work, then congrats Renegade, you get to be a complete and total loser that people like Vermin Vundabar and Kalibak think you're an annoying schmuck, so yay, I guess?
It's Apokalips. So long as you kick the amount of ass appropriate to your station nobody is really going to care too much about the little details.
 
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Honestly, a natural member would be NABU.
he is powerful, predictable, and despite his postulating about/purpose of fighting Chaos, at present has an easily manipulated core motivation (he WANTS to keep wearing a meat suit and stay off the shelf), and has is in the same power league as Klarion- and whatever he was like before spending several decades gathering dust on a shelf (after essentially getting busted trying to gaslight his "partner" into borderline letting him take over permanently/ isolating him from his support netowrk),he's... well he's as Amoral as The Brain's Experimental procedure, without his bedside manner. if they still have access to either the Lazurus Pit technique, or other life extension tech, they could give him the ability to keep his favorite slave for centuries, as opposed to a human lifetime...
 
Demeanour (part 1)
Demeanour

18th April
08:06 GMT -5


I slump slightly on the settee, staring blankly at the television screen. I think I'm watching one of those long running American situation comedies, the ones that aren't actually funny but use so much canned laughter they sometimes trick you into forgetting. The Earth 16 version of Two and a Half Men or Everyone Loves Raymond. Or whatever.

"Hey guysssss." The air displacement from Wallace's arrival blows past me. Huh. I'm a little surprised that he's here this early. "Ahh, is Oh El still moping?"

The noise generated by the movement of Kon's pen across his homework momentarily pauses. "Uh huh."

"Oh-kay." Kon's pen resumes its motion as Wallace walks past the kitchen table and into the living area. I don't turn around as he plops himself down in the armchair to my right. "Hey."

"Good morning Wallace."

"What're you watchin'?"

"Whatever this is."

Out of the corner of my eye I see him carefully watching my face, trying to gauge my mood. "Still bummed out about Luthor, huh?"

"Mm."

"You don't think you were being… Kinda optimistic there?"

I sigh. "If only he'd been a little more avaricious."

"I thought Lex Luthor was all about avarice."

"No, he… Isn't."

He leans forwards slightly. "So.. what is it based on?"

"He's… Red, yellow and.. green. The base is red. He's… His core personality was formed in anger. "

"Doesn't seem very angry to me. I've seen pictures… You know, after Superman stopped him doing whatever he was trying to do… He always looks calm, or… A bit angry, but I've seen Uncle Barry's rogues after they get taken down. They get.. seriously angry. Luthor always looks like he's just shrugging it off."

"No, I mean-. He's not angry. I mean, the way he thinks is.. defined by anger. Some time… When he was young, something made him so angry that he's never stopped thinking like that."

"Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny."

"In his case… Yeah." I shuffle slightly on my seat. "He picked a fight with Superman when he first arrived in Metropolis because he literally can't stand the idea of there being someone he can't take down. It's like, Thus Spoke Zarathustra, The Ugliest Man. He can't stand the idea of there being someone looking down on him and judging him."

Kon's pen stops again. "Didn't the Ugliest Man kill God for doing that?"

Wallace blinks. "Huh?"

"In 'Thus Spoke Zarathustra' by Friedrich Nietzsche, The Ugliest Man is a nihilist who hasn't learned how to create values or ideals for himself, but has genuinely rejected the ones normal in his society. 'Killing God' is.. probably a metaphor for rejecting the idea of revealed truth. For him, the morality of the church is at best one man's opinion and at worst an active attempt to deceive. But, without it, he can't really function."

"So you're saying… Luthor didn't take your offer because… You're too powerful?"

"I'm not sure. It could be that, it could be because he just can't accept something that good happening. Just.. instinctively suspicious. Or.. it might be that he's genuinely committed to the Light and is just taking the things he doesn't like them doing in his stride." I sag. "I just.. really hoped he would. At this point he's seen enough of what I'm doing to know-. In his head, to know that I mean what I say. He knows that the people I've brought together are producing genuinely revolutionary technology and are actually doing things with it. I should embody the things he likes about the Light better than they do, and without the baggage. It just.. didn't happen."

"What you gunna do now?"

"Nothing I can do. I can't make a stronger pitch than I did yesterday. I'll just… Keep doing what I'm doing and hope he comes around. Which he won't."

"I'm not really seeing how 'less Luthor' is a bad thing."

"He knows how international business works. He's a great organiser and he's genuinely committed to bettering the lot of the Human species. He'd have.. been a great help. But it's not going to happen." I raise my left hand slightly, unnecessarily pointing the ring at the television to turn it off. "So… Yeah. You..? Still on for tomorrow?"

"Psh, ye-ah. You really think my healing potions are something that can… You know, go all the way? I mean, they get a lot less effective if they're a couple of days old. They're not really something you can store."

"Sephtian can probably come up with some sort of enchanted bottle that can get around that. Prevent them losing their potency. Or…" Huh. "We could try seeing what happens when old potions are exposed to the purple healing ray?" I slump. "Sorry, I'm not really feeling the… Uplift revolution at the moment."

"You got a spare one of those purple ray things in your workshop, right?"

"Yeah. Um. All yours. Just.. don't try it on yourself without someone else being there."

"Obviously." He turns to his left, looking at the table where our team mates are hard at work. "You two looking forward to visiting Mars?"

"Um. Kinda… Nervous, actually. Meeting M'gann's family for the first time… Plus I.. can't actually breathe the air on Mars."

"Conner. I'm sure my parents will love you. I'm.. just.. not sure how they're going to feel about me."

Wallace looks puzzled. "Why? Because you haven't seen them for nearly a year?"

"I didn't exactly tell them I was leaving. Uncle J'onn checked with them after he found out I was on his ship, but…"

I half turn on the sofa so that I can actually see them as Kon reaches out with his right hand, laying it on M'gann's left. "They'll be fine. If they were really upset, they'd have said so when he told them."

"I'm…" Her head droops a little. "I'm not sure that them not being worried at all really makes me any happier. When you've got as many brothers and sisters as I have it's easy to get lost in the shuffle."

Wallace turns back to me. "You just dropping them off and coming back..?"

"No. I think… As a Sector Lantern, I should introduce myself to the Martian government. See if there's anything they want me to do for them. And I need to hear officially what they want to do about the whole 'Burning Martian' thing. And, it'll be my first time interacting with an alien civilisation in their own territory. Um, do you have any plans for spring break?"

"You bet I do! Once my homework's done I'm gunna hit the streets of Central City with Uncle Barry. He even said that if things are quiet I can handle it on my own!"

"Shame Artemis, Richard and Zatanna aren't off until next week."

"Yeah. Well." He shrugs. "It was the same last year. Y'know, for Rob."

"Geography done." Kon's pen clatters as he drops it on the table. "I'm free for the rest of the week."

Wallace looks around, frowning. "Seriously?"

Kon shrugs. "What can I say? The Genomorphs were pretty thorough."

"You know, they were looking for Human volunteers for knowledge implantation. If you're interested..?"

"Aaaaaaah…. Think I'll pass."
 
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That wasn't what I was expecting (or hoping for) when I said I wanted to hear more about the Lex thing, but it's really good. I like it. Also liked getting more of Wallace, Kon and Megan.
 
Aww, I guess this is how Zatanna felt after New Year. Maybe with more ice cream and less crappy TV.
 
Orange Lantern is Mopey Lantern.

... You know, the lantern colour of moping is probably also orange. Like, an orange so faded as to be almost grey. Wanting something but unwilling (or unable) to do something about it.
 
I sigh. "If only he'd been a little more avaricious."
*facepalms*

So Luthor's hints went right over his head. :facepalm:

"No. I think… As a Sector Lantern, I should introduce myself to the Martian government. See if there's anything they want me to do for them. And I need to hear officially what they want to do about the whole 'Burning Martian' thing. And, it'll be my first time interacting with an alien civilisation in their own territory. Um, do you have any plans for spring break?"
Family meeting between Kon and Miss Martians family on top of Orange Lantern dealing with the Martian government?

I hope to god we actually get to see that story-line.
 
Sucks to hear about Luthor and the reasoning kinda reminds me of a video on youtube about the philosophy of another DC character.

On the bright side we get to visit Mars!:D

@Mr Zoat besides Paul, M'gann, and Kon is there no one on that Team that can come as well for one reason or another? I'm sure the newest member of the Team has no where to and would love to look at Martian art.
 
Lex isn't the only business genius on the planet with the right desires OL could bring into the fold.

I understand that's only a small part of the reason OL's upset, and I understand Mr. Zoat not wanting to introduce too many OC's when there's so many DC characters already in existence to work with. And it's quite possible Paul was holding out for Luthor turning over a new leaf.

But if there IS a need for someone with Lex's skills on Team Uplift then OL should find and try to recruit them in the next week or so.
 
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