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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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Empiricist2 said:
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by genetically evil, except as a plot device, but I'm gonna go with no, given Zoat's general disdain for things that are inherently evil or good. More likely is that Star Conquerers are genetically unable to view other sentient beings as anything more than tools to be used to propagate more of their own, or something to that effect. This isn't "evil", as they don't relish in the suffering of others or want them to be destroyed for destruction's sake. It would be analogous to how dryads would view humans, possibly: Humans don't hate trees or want trees to all die, but we cut them down for our toilet paper.
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Davros essentially did his best to eliminate the kalid mutants ability to feel ANYTHING (as in any emotion period) but hate right down to their brain structure (for reasons best summed up as "mwahahaha") apparently missed fear though. idiot wasn't smart enough to hardwire them to consider HIm a Dalek, and was dead within 6 hours of the initial deployment of the living weapons he was designing to win the war for the kalids.

he probably meant something more like INHERENTLY evil (i.e Coaxmetal from Planescape torment, who's goal is essentially to aid the destruction of the multiverse via entropy)
 
Dakkan Sall said:
To be lying about surrender and come up with a trick to buy time, that's no big deal, but to actually taunt in a rather juvenile way...
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Actaully, No that's not okay, in fact, when you Lie about surrendering, it turns into everyone nmo longer accepts your surrenders, and just guns you down when you attempt to surrender.

Doing the I Surrender, Suckers thing is literally a War Crime. If you surrender, you must lay down arms and stop fighting, if you continue fighting, your enemy does not have to accept your surrender.
 
Romantic_Kaiju said:
Actaully, No that's not okay, in fact, when you Lie about surrendering, it turns into everyone nmo longer accepts your surrenders, and just guns you down when you attempt to surrender.
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Maybe the Starros got too used to Green Lanterns being unwilling to kill, and Grayven apparently following the same rules of engagement means that the Starro thought it would be safe to throw hostages at Gravy.
 
Romantic_Kaiju said:
Actaully, No that's not okay, in fact, when you Lie about surrendering, it turns into everyone nmo longer accepts your surrenders, and just guns you down when you attempt to surrender.

Doing the I Surrender, Suckers thing is literally a War Crime. If you surrender, you must lay down arms and stop fighting, if you continue fighting, your enemy does not have to accept your surrender.
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By 'no big deal,' I meant that it's a form of behavior that I can hypothetically see the Star Conqueror doing, compared to the way it afterward taunted Grayven and co.
 
Sorry to do this, Mr Zoat, but I've found a widespread typo. Blasted thing pops up all over the story - it's the name of a character, and one a lot of the fans dislike. I'm surprised no-one pointed it out sooner, given how much hate he got.

You're going to have to spend a couple of hours changing all instances of "Nylor Truggs" to "Pord Frefect."
 
You know what this reminds me of? When I was just started out playing video games and I saw a color swapped version of one of my enemies and thought this gonna be easy second verse same as the first. Then I got blind sighted treating the new enemy the same as the old.
 
Yog said:
So, unless they are genetically evil, like Daleks, there's a chance for redemption? Perhaps even a Srar Conqueror on the team (give it a kryptonian/martian new god blank clone with no personality and pre-loaded morality, and you get yoyrself a heavy hitter).
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Empiricist2 said:
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by genetically evil, except as a plot device, but I'm gonna go with no, given Zoat's general disdain for things that are inherently evil or good. More likely is that Star Conquerers are genetically unable to view other sentient beings as anything more than tools to be used to propagate more of their own, or something to that effect.
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Their biology does make them "evil"* by default though, between evolving as parasites and being a group mind (which rather reduces cultural/psychological divergence). You'd pretty much have to manufacture a non-evil Starro on purpose, like the mind-blanked-clone-hosts idea above; which is more effort for a dubious result than anyone is likely to put out.

*One can argue philosophically over whether or not being genetically hostile to all other life is the same as "innately evil", but for practical purposes they might as well be synonymous. The time for a philosophical debate is not when a space starfish is trying to hug your face.
 
BrambleThorn said:
Zoat levt SpaceBattles after getting an infraction that triggered a cumulative infraction for saying something about Star Wars: The Force Awakens, when it was forbidden to do so anywhere but one forum due to spreading spoilers. Except, what he talked about was something either in the Movie Previews, or the Movie Poster, and so was known before the movie was ever released, and not something the studio considered secret.
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I hadn't heard of it, was surprised when I saw it in the movie, and had I noticed the spoiler I would have been spoiled by it.

I believe the mods were correct on this.
 
arromdee said:
I hadn't heard of it, was surprised when I saw it in the movie, and had I noticed the spoiler I would have been spoiled by it.

I believe the mods were correct on this.
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AVOIDING THIS TOPIC LIKE THE PLAGUE. NOTHING GOOD CAN COME OUT OF IT.



In an effort to distract us, what minor hero do you guys most want to see get involved in the story?

I like the idea of The Question. If he got the OL treatment, whether Danner'd, Garrik'd, or, somehow, a Lantern Ring, imagine the conspiracies he could ferret out. He's just the guy to help Paul and Constantine with the British government corruption situation.

Plus, if he's like he was on Justice League: Animated, he's pretty fun.
 
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arromdee said:
I hadn't heard of it, was surprised when I saw it in the movie, and had I noticed the spoiler I would have been spoiled by it.

I believe the mods were correct on this.
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Ah, really? I mean, it was in the opening text so clearly the makers of the film didn't consider it to be important for anything other than establishing the idea of a link between that film and the good ones. In fact, I don't think it came up again.
The_Letter_K said:
Plus, if he's like he was on Justice League: Animated, he's pretty fun.
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Justice League Animated Question was great, but as far as I'm aware that is the only setting where he behaves like that.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Ah, really? I mean, it was in the opening text so clearly the makers of the film didn't consider it to be important for anything other than establishing the idea of a link between that film and the good ones. In fact, I don't think it came up again.
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Sorry, I was misremembering the Reddit thread; I stand corrected. The person starting that thread also mentioned that someone else was banned for mentioning that the Millennium Falcon was in the movie. *That* would have been a spoiler for me, so I would consider that ban legitimate; yours wouldn't.
 
arromdee said:
Sorry, I was misremembering the Reddit thread; I stand corrected. The person starting that thread also mentioned that someone else was banned for mentioning that the Millennium Falcon was in the movie. *That* would have been a spoiler for me, so I would consider that ban legitimate; yours wouldn't.
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You mean the ship that is on the official poster for the movie, the poster which you are almost literally unable to miss if you buy the tickets or Blu ray? That's a banworthy offense? I understand that trailers often give way too much information away, but being unable to post the poster is just silly.
Avernus said:
One can argue philosophically over whether or not being genetically hostile to all other life is the same as "innately evil", but for practical purposes they might as well be synonymous. The time for a philosophical debate is not when a space starfish is trying to hug your face.
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Granted, I am rather unfamiliar with Star Conquerers in the comic setting, so I may be incorrect in this, but are they actually hostile to all other life, or are they apathetic to it? Would they attack a world purely out of spite, or only do so in order to further their own empire? Daleks would kill first ask questions later, destroy the universe if able. Grayven, who has read up on the GLC records of Star Conquerers, thinks it plausible that one would surrender and be amenable to merely taking over farm animals, so presumably they aren't in the 'kill literally everything' mentality.
 
Empiricist2 said:
Granted, I am rather unfamiliar with Star Conquerers in the comic setting, so I may be incorrect in this, but are they actually hostile to all other life, or are they apathetic to it? Would they attack a world purely out of spite, or only do so in order to further their own empire? Daleks would kill first ask questions later, destroy the universe if able. Grayven, who has read up on the GLC records of Star Conquerers, thinks it plausible that one would surrender and be amenable to merely taking over farm animals, so presumably they aren't in the 'kill literally everything' mentality.
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Wanting to take people over is just as hostile as shooting them. Especially since the victims soon suffer personality erasure, as stated in the story. They do want to kill everyone, just in a way that leaves the bodies still walking around.

And note, Grayven was wrong.
 
Empiricist2 said:
You mean the ship that is on the official poster for the movie, the poster which you are almost literally unable to miss if you buy the tickets or Blu ray?
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The poster shows a ship. If you don't look at it very closely and you're not immersed in Star Wars trivia, the most you can see is that it's the same type of ship, not that it's actually the same one.
 
Empiricist2 said:
You mean the ship that is on the official poster for the movie, the poster which you are almost literally unable to miss if you buy the tickets or Blu ray? That's a banworthy offense? I understand that trailers often give way too much information away, but being unable to post the poster is just silly.
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Usually, I'd agree with you. But the SB mods did make a big deal about strict enforcement at the time and the presence of a particular ship would just about fall under the SB definition of spoiler. My complaint was that my 'spoiler' didn't, because while they said that there would be stricter than normal enforcement they didn't say that the definition of spoiler was being changed.

It's like strict enforcement of parking law means that someone who was in the wrong place for a minute or two gets a ticket rather than a verbal warning. It doesn't mean that someone parked in their own drive gets a ticket.
Granted, I am rather unfamiliar with Star Conquerers in the comic setting, so I may be incorrect in this, but are they actually hostile to all other life, or are they apathetic to it? Would they attack a world purely out of spite, or only do so in order to further their own empire? Daleks would kill first ask questions later, destroy the universe if able. Grayven, who has read up on the GLC records of Star Conquerers, thinks it plausible that one would surrender and be amenable to merely taking over farm animals, so presumably they aren't in the 'kill literally everything' mentality.
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Grayven assumed that it would act in a rational, self interested manner. Surrendering when you have no chance to win is rational. In actual fact it just decided that pretending to was the best way to delay him.

Star Conquerors don't currently have an empire. There aren't all that many big ones left.
 
arromdee said:
The poster shows a ship. If you don't look at it very closely and you're not immersed in Star Wars trivia, the most you can see is that it's the same type of ship, not that it's actually the same one.
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One of the (probably) unwritten rules of any show is that you don't have identical sounding/looking characters. And if they are iconic characters/things it goes double for them.
 
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Mr Zoat said:
Usually, I'd agree with you. But the SB mods did make a big deal about strict enforcement at the time and the presence of a particular ship would just about fall under the SB definition of spoiler. My complaint was that my 'spoiler' didn't, because while they said that there would be stricter than normal enforcement they didn't say that the definition of spoiler was being changed.

It's like strict enforcement of parking law means that someone who was in the wrong place for a minute or two gets a ticket rather than a verbal warning. It doesn't mean that someone parked in their own drive gets a ticket.

Grayven assumed that it would act in a rational, self interested manner. Surrendering when you have no chance to win is rational. In actual fact it just decided that pretending to was the best way to delay him.

Star Conquerors don't currently have an empire. There aren't all that many big ones left.
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well, if the big ones are ALL stupid enough to pull THAT particular gambit regularly, i can see why >.>

might i suggest, that Grayven should go the neutral option of removing all its appendages FIRST if he feels the urge to give it another chance to surrender...
wait. there'd be temptation to make that standard procedure o_O
i mean, its pretty hard to leg it when you only HAVE one to start with...
 
Mr Zoat said:
Grayven assumed that it would act in a rational, self interested manner. Surrendering when you have no chance to win is rational. In actual fact it just decided that pretending to was the best way to delay him.
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True, but he has read about them, and surrendering didn't seem wholly out of character. They aren't alien murderbots, and killing people isn't their goal, just merely a step in the plan.
Mr Zoat said:
Star Conquerors don't currently have an empire. There aren't all that many big ones left.
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My point was that murdering people isn't the goal they strive for, just something they do in pursuit of other things.

Also,

There aren't all that many big ones left.
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I'm assuming that the big ones will come up again at some point. Whether or not that event will be in any way connected to these is uncertain.
 
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