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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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Vaermina said:
You realize that in all likelihood Starfish Bob is good deal smarter then Grayven?

So if Bob pulled a ploy like that, he did so knowing that the few seconds it would buy him would be all that was needed to accomplish his goal.
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i get they feeling they are like the Slavers from the Known Space verse- dumb as a smegging rock on their own, since all their characterisation points are minmaxed into MINDCONTROLLING smarter species to think for them- and thus tend towards LITERAL room-temperature iq's.
and if it IS smart? wilful stupidity (i.e when you DO know better) is still stupidity, and Renegade's quite decisively proven he is perfectly willing to be ruthlessly pragmatic a thousand times over by now..... a few years-decades of Research and buildup/preparation, and he could start systematically EXTERMINATING the entire species (with a corps/army)
 
*slips in character* "well, THAT was pretty sharding stupid! you reveal the doublecross AFTER your dupe is mindreamed,dead,dissected to check for memory-storage devices or implanted/engraved mago-technological revivification contingencies,cryogenicly frozen,mulched, cremated and their ashes disposed of into a singularity,not BEFORE. or. you know. give up on the current, clearly compromised operation. no biggy"
 
The intelligence level of Starros has already been explained in-story:

Mr Zoat said:
"Part of their thing was they could use the brain of whatever they got stuck on. Do that to an animal, it learns what the animal eats, what sorta thing's a threat to it, that's about it. Stick on somethin' a bit smarter-."

Richard nods. "And it gets smarter too."
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Therefore since they are stuck on humans, they are going to be as smart as humans.
 
Ganurath said:
So... a thought occurred.

What would happen if the Starros tried to take over Grayven's psychic deathtrap daughter?
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Like this guy except cute and huggable while ruling 9 galaxies and making Grayven pout because he's the self proclaimed god of conquest.

Avernus said:
The intelligence level of Starros has already been explained in-story:

Therefore since they are stuck on humans, they are going to be as smart as humans.
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True, however, they are often depicted as a hive mind, which would mean that they should be as effectively smart as their entire collective.
 
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Dakkan Sall said:
What I wonder is... why 'suckers'? I mean, I don't know much of how Starro/Star Conquerors are usually depicted, but it seems like an unusually human trait for it to actually say that. To be lying about surrender and come up with a trick to buy time, that's no big deal, but to actually taunt in a rather juvenile way...
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It's speaking English (presumably) because it's stuck on people that can speak English. So it would make sense for it to use their colloquialisms. It's jarring at first because we don't expect a giant starfish to shout "Suckers!", but it does make sense on reflection.
 
Jackercracks said:
It's speaking English (presumably) because it's stuck on people that can speak English. So it would make sense for it to use their colloquialisms. It's jarring at first because we don't expect a giant starfish to shout "Suckers!", but it does make sense on reflection.
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Speaking English is no problem; it's mainly the 'Suckers" that throws me. It's like one step away from going "neener neener neener!" which I just can't picture something like this doing. Maybe if it had displayed some sort of similar behavior it wouldn't be so jarring, but considering how it/they spoke when pretending to surrender in the first place, it's just a very sudden change of tone.
 
spencer1519 said:
Well of course. The morality system in this game is based on Mass Effect after all. And Mass Effect didn't punish you for being Paragon or Renegade, it punished you for being inconsistent and not sticking to a persistent set of behavior. Like in ME where if you kill the queen and then in ME3 take the paragon action and accept Rachni help, they're indoctrinated and sabotage you. Whereas if you spare the queen and then accept Rachni help you get additional resources.
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Actually, Mass Effect punished you for being Renegade everywhere except the end sequence where the only way to survive was to go Renegade.

In the example you give, the best result was gained by going double paragon. There was no penalty for chosing 'kill' in ME3 (plus the Korgans lived) and there was a penalty for going Renegade then Paragon.
Dakkan Sall said:
What I wonder is... why 'suckers'? I mean, I don't know much of how Starro/Star Conquerors are usually depicted, but it seems like an unusually human trait for it to actually say that. To be lying about surrender and come up with a trick to buy time, that's no big deal, but to actually taunt in a rather juvenile way...
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Star Conquerors need to store their memories somewhere, just like Humans do. The surviving fragment of the one killed in Poseidonis wouldn't remember what it just to know, even if it fully regenerated. It would have to relearn from hosts and -if it were lucky- an older Star Hunter.
 
Slightly off topic, and this might have been covered earlier, but I didn't see any signs in my occasional forays.

It is probably safe to assume Grayven fully charged the Orange Ring before he returned the lantern (and how is that lantern doing with Alan's Green Ring, I wonder?), so he has a backup that others will have forgotten about. You know, for that time when he really, really has no other options.

But, in that ring, unless he updated it, and he might not have, is a version of his original form's perfect state (Wholeness Rightly Assumed) from before he took the Venombuster. At least, I would assume he would keep a backup copy, in case something went truly, horrifically wrong. It seems like the thing to do. So, he does have that, if he was that smart. Which, I would assume he is. In fact, the smart play would be to update it each time he thinks he's happy with his new form, in a new save file. So, taking him out would be harder than expected, and if he REALLY had to disappear, or go undercover, well....
 
Guess whose appeal just succeeded?!

Though Ford Prefect dissented.

Know whose bachelor party I'm avoiding.

Letomo said:
Slightly off topic, and this might have been covered earlier, but I didn't see any signs in my occasional forays.
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Shoot.
It is probably safe to assume Grayven fully charged the Orange Ring before he returned the lantern
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Yes.
(and how is that lantern doing with Alan's Green Ring, I wonder?),
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They don't interract at all.
so he has a backup that others will have forgotten about. You know, for that time when he really, really has no other options.
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It's more because he's assuming that he'll be able to recharge it after killing Larfleeze.
But, in that ring, unless he updated it, and he might not have, is a version of his original form's perfect state (Wholeness Rightly Assumed) from before he took the Venombuster.
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Yes, it would have recorded that.
At least, I would assume he would keep a backup copy, in case something went truly, horrifically wrong. It seems like the thing to do. So, he does have that, if he was that smart. Which, I would assume he is. In fact, the smart play would be to update it each time he thinks he's happy with his new form, in a new save file. So, taking him out would be harder than expected, and if he REALLY had to disappear, or go undercover, well....
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That would have worked before he turned himself into a New God. Now a) he's pretty happy with his form and b) it would be very hard to change and even harder to change permanently.
 
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Vaermina said:
You realize that in all likelihood Starfish Bob is good deal smarter then Grayven?

So if Bob pulled a ploy like that, he did so knowing that the few seconds it would buy him would be all that was needed to accomplish his goal.
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my guess is that the downed king orrin and his team that they left behind got starred while the gods ran ahead
 
Mr Zoat said:
Star Conquerors need to store their memories somewhere, just like Humans do. The surviving fragment of the one killed in Poseidonis wouldn't remember what it just to know, even if it fully regenerated. It would have to relearn from hosts and -if it were lucky- an older Star Hunter.
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So, unless they are genetically evil, like Daleks, there's a chance for redemption? Perhaps even a Srar Conqueror on the team (give it a kryptonian/martian new god blank clone with no personality and pre-loaded morality, and you get yoyrself a heavy hitter).
 
Yog said:
So, unless they are genetically evil, like Daleks, there's a chance for redemption? Perhaps even a Srar Conqueror on the team (give it a kryptonian/martian new god blank clone with no personality and pre-loaded morality, and you get yoyrself a heavy hitter).
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I'm not entirely sure what you mean by genetically evil, except as a plot device, but I'm gonna go with no, given Zoat's general disdain for things that are inherently evil or good. More likely is that Star Conquerers are genetically unable to view other sentient beings as anything more than tools to be used to propagate more of their own, or something to that effect. This isn't "evil", as they don't relish in the suffering of others or want them to be destroyed for destruction's sake. It would be analogous to how dryads would view humans, possibly: Humans don't hate trees or want trees to all die, but we cut them down for our toilet paper.
 
Yog said:
So, unless they are genetically evil, like Daleks, there's a chance for redemption? Perhaps even a Srar Conqueror on the team (give it a kryptonian/martian new god blank clone with no personality and pre-loaded morality, and you get yoyrself a heavy hitter).
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remember, even the DALEKS had at LEAST one individual who REALISED that the man who engineered their race and value-set was a deranged psychopath...ok, he was essnetially mind****** by mainlining the Vortex unintentionally, but....

there's a pretty good chance that there's been at least one, or WILL BE at least one such aberrant Starro at some point in history

you know, if you really think about it, in the long term true symbiosis is a better survival strategy then parasitism (given there are Group,species and individuals with the knowledge, tech and resources of the guardians out there, even if they ARE extremely rare)
 
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