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Ymaryn Successor Quest (Paths of Civ AU)

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Xantalos said:
PSN? Personal Stewards of Nature or... can we get our values listed somewhere, @Aranfan? Been a while since Paths and I'm not about to go all the way back to the thread to try to figure out what traits we had and how they might translate to what you're doing here.
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Academia Nut said:
Personal Stewards of Nature
Through the blessings of the spirits and the efforts of the People in individual and whole, the land is reshaped, and its management and protection is a good above all others. No effort is to great when it comes to the stewardship of the land, and many pursue their own little projects where it does not conflict with the symphony of the whole
Pros: Bonuses to all actions relating to land management, bonuses when fighting on own terrain, additional Econ and Stability whenever completing a land management type Megaproject, may spend Stability to double the effort of megaprojects and in defensive wars, certain projects may receive additional actions at the midturn at the cost of Centralization
Cons: Additional strife caused by deliberate environmental disruption unless it is for the long term betterment of the land, or loss of territory to others
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Academia Nut said:
Divinely Glorious Elites (Maxed Development)
A well lead life is one of excellence in all things at all levels, from the stitch of cloth to prowess on the battlefield to skill in oration. The best and finest is thus demanded of and by all to show their virtue and honour, in the knowledge that those that rise to the top will be supported by excellence below.
Pros: Increase Martial gain from raising elite units; bonus Culture, Tech and/or Mysticism for certain actions; effect of criticals and doubles greatly increased; ruling faction gains an additional faction power
Cons: Increased potential Martial loss in fighting, increased social stratification, increased costs, dominant faction can no longer be suppressed, -3 Culture/ turn (need more academies)
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Also thinking back at the wonders you ask, in real life a lot of the greater works of this time period were not things that needed the amassed productive capabilities of the nation but its wealth and international relationships. So if we want to wonders we nerd to think big. Like building a new city from scratch big.
 
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Also thinking back at the wonders you ask, in real life a lot of the greater works of this time period were not things that needed the amassed productive capabilities of the nation but its wealth and international relationships. So if we want to wonders we nerd to think big. Like building a new city from scratch big.
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Wonder if there's a place we could do that. Like, I dunno straddling an important waterway somewhere, maybe?

Eyes the Trelli strait

Oh yes, it's all coming together now...
 
[X] The arrogant and foolish nobility, and themselves for listening without question. (1x)
[X] With depression and defeated resignation. (.5x)
 
[X] The arrogant and foolish nobility, and themselves for listening without question. (1x)
[X] With Fury and Outrage! (1.5x)

Changing my vote but we need to do the military campaign to the West to retake the straight and bring those lands back into our control before they revolt forever.
 
We were dicussing the vote on the Discord and got a warning from Aranfan that GDE isn't the only value impacted by the first vote and blaming the nomads could hurt our charity/acceptance/immigration Value.
 
[X] The arrogant and foolish nobility, and themselves for listening without question. (1x)
[X] With Fury and Outrage! (1.5x)
 
[X] The arrogant and foolish nobility, and themselves for listening without question. (1x)
[X] With Fury and Outrage! (1.5x)

I started reading that last update with it's historical voice and thought we'd lost a king there for a minute.
 
[X] The evil and savage nomads who burned the fields and smashed the walls. (1.1x)
[X] With Fury and Outrage! (1.5x)
 
[X] The arrogant and foolish nobility, and themselves for listening without question. (1x)
[X] With Fury and Outrage! (1.5x)
 
[X] The arrogant and foolish nobility, and themselves for listening without question. (1x)
[X] With Fury and Outrage! (1.5x)

Seems like the best option. Tamper down a bit on our elitism, I don't really like revanschism but it's better then defeatism and depression.
 
[X] The arrogant and foolish nobility, and themselves for listening without question. (1x)
[X] With Fury and Outrage! (1.5x)
 
[X] The arrogant and foolish nobility, and themselves for listening without question. (1x)
[X] With Fury and Outrage! (1.5x)
 
[X] The arrogant and foolish nobility, and themselves for listening without question. (1x)
[X] With depression and defeated resignation. (.5x)
 
[X] The arrogant and foolish nobility, and themselves for listening without question. (1x)
[X] With Fury and Outrage! (1.5x)

There's worse things than revanchism in the world. Granted, it's like... one of the big things that got Hitler elected, and a more general form of the idea got Trump elected, but it's not the worst cultural value to obsess over.

Like human sacrifice! Yeah, both generally lead to significant amounts of bloodshed and death, but revanchists have a chance of conquering land!
 
I am a spigot of information and need to learn to keep my goddamn mouth shut.

I have made a complete hash of this vote.

ugh
 
There is no good option, really. Having the people question the authority of the elites after the recent Collapse could have catastrophic consequences, what with the potential to cause people to start ignoring the technocratic priests or the nobility. We did just reject the option to let commoners join the bureaucracy, after all.
 
[X] The evil and savage nomads who burned the fields and smashed the walls. (1.1x)
[X] With Fury and Outrage! (1.5x)
 
[X] The arrogant and foolish nobility, and themselves for listening without question. (1x)
[X] With Fury and Outrage! (1.5x)
 
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