I though Bison stuck to the other side of the Appalachians?
Try to survive the Winter: A planquest in Fantasy Colonial America
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That's nothing compared to the scary stuff that the aboriginal ancestors had to face in Australia had to face actual dinosaurs with the a massive land crocodile quinkana built to hunt Rhino sized marsupials and also faced an Uber sized komodo dragon that also had venom called megalania and a marsupial that acted like a leopard and lion mix called thylacoleo Australia was crazy dangerous as usual.
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Don't forget the eagle big enough to prey on prehistoric emus and definitely big enough to carry off children.
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@OldShadow did the dreamer federation venerate any spirit animals like usual with Wolves,bison,eagle, and deer and with the survival of the megafauna was there veneration of likes of the mammoth and smilodon. Cause we are a spirit culture and animal are big part of native American history and it would be fun to call upon them.
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Yes, but mostly by the nomadic hunters-herders that became the Sheperds, and by fishers.
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
Oh lol, are we gonna have the possibility of getting Eyeless Bison as a "tamed" animal?
Well, and probably much weirder stuff, but the Bison might be relatively fairly common.
Speaking of fishers, are the Mistmen former Dreamer Federation members?
It doesn't say that they speak the Winter Walker tongue like the Shepherds did, but it doesn't say they weren't part of it either.
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Yes, they speak the trade tongue of the old Federation.
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I am a little worried about the morale hit that we may get from those eyeless animals though...
Eyeless faces (or with empty eye sockets) are extremely creepy and revolting for humans not only because they tap into several deep rooted primal fears in our psyche but also because they trigger the Uncanny Valley up to 11...
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@OldShadow Since we have rolled so well with the Healing the Voices we have probably reached the last DC... Did we end up using the High-Quality Bark, or we didn´t use it because we didn´t need to? And if we did, what were the effects?
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Did not use it, and for the rolls, the Wounded are not healed yet, but they will suffer far less this Winter.
Hey oldshadow, if you don't mind, could you update the mandate info post?
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Good, the main objective with that was to protect the Voices to avoid that the Winter will undo all of our progess...
Now let's hope that we rolled really low on the d6 that determined how long until and the Voices finish healing (or that the good result in patching the wounds reduces it a turn or two) so that we can finish the mandate in Spring or Summer...
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I would rather not, each time our colonists have to work alongside Dead Dice it lowers the morale, and the same will probably happen if we use undead animals as beasts of burden...
I would rather use this to tame living creatures or send the resurrected galleon to the Old World so that we can buy, among other things, some donkeys...
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@OldShadow A couple of things...
Would it be possible to unlock falconry to help us with hunting? With the blood-links thingy we unclocked from the Sheperds it should be pretty easy to tame the birds, and Virginia is the natural habitat of some really magnificent raptors like golden eagles, peregrine falcons, goshawks, bald eagles (and maybe even gyrfalcons, due to how weird Winter is here)...
And, seeing the terrible quality roll of the Giant Shields, I am assuming that we didn´t get anything useful out of it, and we lost our supply of Excellent Wood... Can we still burn whatever piece of crap that we gout out of the shield and give it to the Voices?
Would it be possible to unlock falconry to help us with hunting? With the blood-links thingy we unclocked from the Sheperds it should be pretty easy to tame the birds, and Virginia is the natural habitat of some really magnificent raptors like golden eagles, peregrine falcons, goshawks, bald eagles (and maybe even gyrfalcons, due to how weird Winter is here)...
And, seeing the terrible quality roll of the Giant Shields, I am assuming that we didn´t get anything useful out of it, and we lost our supply of Excellent Wood... Can we still burn whatever piece of crap that we gout out of the shield and give it to the Voices?
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Maybe, but it will take some time, it is a little outside of what the Sheperds are experienced in bounding with the blood-links.
And I will say most of the power of the wood was wasted, so it just...wood now. A crappy piece of wood.
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Sorry to respond so late. I got distracted by another quest and did not realize you replied.
The issue is that taming animals for service is not possible for the majority of wild animals. It took millennia to change aurochs to cows and we were never able to domesticate deer to the point we could use them. So doing so with undead animals may be the only way within the time scale we are working with.
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That is why I explicitly said taming instead of domesticating... I know that we don´t have the time or expertise to "naturally" domesticate bison, but we have the Blood Links cheat code that has allowed the Shepherds to use deer herds as livestock (which as you have said is something that we haven´t managed to achieve yet irl), so using blood magic to use moose or bison into beasts of burden could be done...
TBH, I would rather use the resurrected galleon to buy a few breeding pairs of livestock in Europe and bring them back to the Union, but using blood magic on North American wildlife is a decent alternative...
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It makes livestock, animals fit for consumption or material. Nothing about turning them into beasts of burden. Just as you cannot turn any random dog into a sled-dog and racing horses are not the same as farming horses. Meanwhile we are about to be able to trade with Europeans again and be able to buy horses and cows to use if just do not get used to the undead first, which is another possibility.
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Well, I think OldShadow is using "Livestock" in the meaning of "domesticated animals raised in an agricultural setting in order to provide labour and produce diversified products for consumption" which also include work animals and beasts of burden...
Well, the other option is to bite the bullet and buy the Hairy from the Shepherds...
But yeah, there are a lot of seeds/crops and animals from the Ld World that would benefit the Union immensely...
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Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
Well, the Blood-Links were able at one point to make more than livestock.
Deer for the Shepherds at one point could be used as beasts of burden. Right now they seem to only be able to use them as livestock though, or they preferred to keep the Deer that they could use as Beasts of Burden to themselves rather than trading them away. Not to mention the giant wolves (some of which were almost certainly former humans) that they use as hunting companions and guards. Presumably there's quite a bit about what the Blood-Links were capable of that was lost and needs to be rediscovered.
Though we'll need to see what animals the trade ship brings with it next time around rather than having to rediscover a whole occult tradition. Plus, the Blood-Links aren't something to be used just whenever to bring in every species we encounter like they're Pokémon. The whole giving beasts something of humans and humans something of beasts is something where every species we bring into it ought to be carefully considered.
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As I said before I think that OldShadow is using "Livestock" in the meaning of "domesticated animals raised in an agricultural setting in order to provide labour and produce diversified products for consumption" which also include work animals and beasts of burden...
The thing is that the Shepreds extensively used blood links for generations to bond with their animals and apparently never had too much of a problem derived from that alone.
The problem started when they had to use the Rite of Consumption to survive the fall of the Dreamer's Federation...That is what messed them up, not the Blood Links...
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Yes, the current state of the Sheperds should give a good idea of the cost of abusing the blood-links.
Of course, their specifics doom came from abusing both the Rite of Consumption and the Blood Links combined, but I like to remind the playerbase of a rule inherent to this setting : THE OCCULT IS NEVER FREE
If something seem free, it either mean the price will come later, or the price was something the POV did not care about/did not notice.
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Interesting... As I've just said the Shepherds seemingly made extensive use of the Blood Links without too much hassle for generations, and their doom came mostly from the Rite of Consumption... But with this new piece of information, it seems that either the combination of Blood Links with the Rite of Consumption is extremely dangerous, or that the Rite of Consumption drastically accelerated the lingering problem of using Blood Links, or both...
Besides that @OldShadow can you clarify what you mean with livestock? Do you mean "domesticated animals raised in an agricultural setting to provide labor and produce diversified products for consumption", which also include work animals and beasts of burden, or do you mean "animals who are raised mostly for consumption and producing products"?
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