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Anything involving the original Knight's Templar does need to have them be immortal (or at least have a long lifespan), since they were completely dissolved 300 years before the story. It is actually sort of sad how it happened.

It is a story of a loss of purpose and betrayal. Their purpose as an order was to fight to fight the enemies of Christianity and secure the Holy Land, but they were unable to hold that land. At the same time, they became one of the largest banking organizations from donations and protecting the money of pilgrims. It turns out that having a bunch of well armed people without purpose and a bunch of money is a bad combination when around paranoid kings.

Philip IV of France pressured Pope Clement V into dissolving the order, which he did. While many Templar where able to join other orders, many where arrested in France on trumped up charges. A lot of accusations of heresy and blasphemy ending with burning at the stake followed. Officially, an investigation by the Church found them to have done no wrongdoing, and Jacques de Molay, the Last Grandmaster, along with the rest of the Templar leadership was absolved of all charges.

Do I think that some of them would be pissed off enough at France to turn against God? Yes. Do I think that most of them would continue doing good in the name of Christ? Also yes. It would be cool to see ex-Templar in a new order hunting down corrupted ex-Templar in a sort of secret war.
 
Mmm, from what we seem to see of the supernatural thus far, there's a lot less "ancient immortal conspiracies" going around, and a lot more hives and packs of occult activity and monsters and a mess of people who have sold out to said occult activity for either survival or power and have far more "local" agendas.

There are exceptions to this like the Scholomance, but the Scholomance appears to be tied to a location, or at least a geographical region that's a longstanding hotspot (in fact, I wonder if the Scholomance might be the Balkans' equivalent to the Witch: a powerful practitioner of the Occult aligned with the dark forces but powerful enough to be a Patron in their own right.)

I feel like the 30 Years War will be a lot less ancient conspiracies going around and a lot more packs of ghouls caused by people eating the dead out of desperation, individual necromancers taking advantage of the dead (as seems to have happened during the Black Death), and this or that group within the HRE and/or Dual Monarchy trafficking with dark forces during the war out of a desire to gain an advantage, rather than having already been in bed with them before the war even started.

It feels like it cheapens things if there's ancient conspiracies actively spoking the wheels as the norm. Things like the Great Western Schism and the sheer bloodshed of the 30 Years War ought to have been fuckups because people fucked up, not because some puppetmaster was pulling the strings. Having "the 30 Years War is so bad because there's some rogue Knights Templar going around actively trying to maximize the amount of sin" feels like it's trying to deflect responsibility from all the non-occultist people who chose to do all those things with zero occult influence.
As QM, I agree, it would be....disapointing if conflicts were the fruits of conspirations manipulating people.
Human greed and hatred exist without the supernatural, the supernatural merely use and encourage those viles tendances.
Anything involving the original Knight's Templar does need to have them be immortal (or at least have a long lifespan), since they were completely dissolved 300 years before the story. It is actually sort of sad how it happened.

It is a story of a loss of purpose and betrayal. Their purpose as an order was to fight to fight the enemies of Christianity and secure the Holy Land, but they were unable to hold that land. At the same time, they became one of the largest banking organizations from donations and protecting the money of pilgrims. It turns out that having a bunch of well armed people without purpose and a bunch of money is a bad combination when around paranoid kings.

Philip IV of France pressured Pope Clement V into dissolving the order, which he did. While many Templar where able to join other orders, many where arrested in France on trumped up charges. A lot of accusations of heresy and blasphemy ending with burning at the stake followed. Officially, an investigation by the Church found them to have done no wrongdoing, and Jacques de Molay, the Last Grandmaster, along with the rest of the Templar leadership was absolved of all charges.

Do I think that some of them would be pissed off enough at France to turn against God? Yes. Do I think that most of them would continue doing good in the name of Christ? Also yes. It would be cool to see ex-Templar in a new order hunting down corrupted ex-Templar in a sort of secret war.
Yes, a somewhat sad story...and one that had different consequences in the QuestFrance.
OTL, the fate of the templars is part of the centuries long process of concentrating power in the hands of the french Monarchy, by beginning to align the clergy to the King.
In the QuestWorld, it also began to bound the anti-supernatural Ordrers to the Monarchy, mainly through control of the assets financing them in France.
Then, after the Hundred Years Wars, thoses royally funded Orders were more or less forced to break with the Church when the King's Church was founded.
 
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Yes, a somewhat sad story...and one that had different consequences in the QuestFrance.
OTL, the fate of the templars is part of the centuries long process of concentrating power in the hands of the french Monarchy, by beginning to align the clergy to the King.
In the QuestWorld, it also began to bound the anti-supernatural Ordrers to the Monarchy, mainly through control of the assets financier them in France.
Then, after the Hundred Years Wars, thoses royally funded Orders were more or less forced to break with the Church when the King's Church was founded.
The transfer of power from the Catholic Church to the monarchal state is probably one of the most interesting and impactful series of events in RL and Quest. France was sort of the pioneer in it, but the real big events are happening at the time of the quest.

The centralization of state power, the Reformation, the Enlightenment, and recognition of corruption in the Catholic Church are all happening. It makes sense that the sudden change in society, wars, and weakening in the main anti-supernatural groups has made an opening for things to get in. Monarchs, natural philosophers, and magical practitioners are probably going through whatever Church archives they can get their hands on to get all the magical secrets.

We're probably going to see an increase in court wizards of different types (people are still using astrologers) and the opening of secret secular state-run magical institutions. The economic and military potential is too high for them to ignore
 
Oh boy, the 30 Years War except worse because the Dual Monarchy is also likely to explode is gonna be fun.

...Come to think of it, the Manchu/Qing are gonna rise in another 7-8 years and kick off that hellwar against the Ming, so it's about to really suck to live in China to.
To be fair, as I recall things were already pretty bad in the Late Ming era; it wasn't a case of "everyone was at peace and then the Fire Nation the Manchus attacked."

Though it wasn't as bad as the late Song era, when the Song Dynasty more or less collapsed entirely because despite having utterly insane amounts of wealth and resources, the emperors were so detached from reality and so afraid of the imperial military becoming a base for challenges to the dynasty that they'd execute a general for treason if he actually went out to fight foreign invaders.

I am open to correction if I'm misremembering my reading on Chinese history, which is cursory and limited to only a few perspectives.
 
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Mmm, from what we seem to see of the supernatural thus far, there's a lot less "ancient immortal conspiracies" going around, and a lot more hives and packs of occult activity and monsters and a mess of people who have sold out to said occult activity for either survival or power, but are largely independent of one another.
Yep, and the Templar Blackguards (working title) fall into that final category. They're not a traditional organization, more like a bunch of independent diabolists who share similar motives and abilities. The closest they come to coordinating is when an established Blackguard tells a new arrival to ply their trade elsewhere.
It feels like it cheapens things if there's ancient conspiracies actively spoking the wheels as the norm. Things like the Great Western Schism ought to have been fuckups because people fucked up, not because some puppetmaster was pulling the strings and making things worse.
Agreed, which is why they don't operate at that scale. Never have, never will. They simply increase the warcrimes coefficient for troops that they command and, to a lesser extent, those they fight alongside.

It's why the Thirty Years War would be their downfall. The "normal" war crimes coefficient will be so high that their efforts to increase it will have a negligible impact. Because of this, the Blackguards won't be able to provide hell with the souls they have already promised them.

Even if I wanted to make them responsible for the Great Western Schism, which I don't, the timeline doesn't work. The Great Western Schism was a direct consequence of the Avignon Papacy, which happened before the fall of the Templars. In fact, it was a large part of the reason why Philip IV managed to pull it off.
It turns out that having a bunch of well armed people without purpose and a bunch of money is a bad combination when around paranoid kings.
To be fair to Philip IV, no polity, either back then or today, should be comfortable with well-armed and influential groups outside their authority operating within their borders. Those that are comfortable with that situation tend not to last too long as polities. Bonus points for the County of Champagne, where the Templars were headquartered, being ruled by Philip IV's son.
As QM, I agree, it would be....disapointing if conflicts were the fruits of conspirations manipulating people.
Human greed and hatred exist without the supernatural, the supernatural merely use and encourage those viles tendances.
I'd add "take credit for those tendencies " and "be scapegoated for those tendencies" to that list. In the former case taking credit for major events is a decent way to garner fear and prestige. My personal headcanon is that just about every wannabe diabolical cabal with any connections to Venice took credit for the disaster of the Fourth Crusade, to the point where it became a cliche.

As for the latter, the forces of evil make a pretty darn good scapegoat so people don't need to consider unpleasant truths about their own culpability. I'm toying with the idea of having the Huntsmen have a special antipathy towards the Templar Blackguards, blaming them for rebellions against the King. In reality, the Blackguards participated in such rebellions only a handful of times, never instigating them, but it's easier to blame the Blackguards than the actual perpetrators, since they were motivated by the cruelties of certain Anglois.
 
I also just don't think the organization as you've described them would have the institutional capacity to last for as long as you seem to have them doing while retaining any sort of coherency.

Judging by the example of the Witch, I feel you'd have at most, a knight/diabolist with the actually correct origins and a bunch of unrelated people putting on airs (and maybe the occasional apprentice who catches his eye.) This seems to fit with our limited perspective on powerful diabolists: They're either individuals of extreme power like the Witch, Dracula, Tamurkhan (and those latter two may not even be in the same category as the former), or in the rare cases where they are institutions like the Scholomance, they seem to take a more scholarly bent, because actually going out and actively fucking with things has a strong possibility that those things start fucking with you to fatal results.

That more scholarly (or religious) mantle where the priority is gaining and retaining knowledge is something I feel is essential for a group trafficking in something as fundamentally unstable as the occult can actually maintain enough coherency that you can keep calling it by the same name. Because otherwise the elders and wise die off too quickly (if not to enemy action, then each other or their own fuckups) to properly indoctrinate their acolytes and disciples and the group as a whole rapidly loses institutional strength and coherency until it's just a bunch of individuals who at one point wore similar clothes. And at that point it feels ridiculous to even group them under the same title unless it's specifically talking about the past tense.

Like, something about the base concept of the Templar Blackguards as you've described them just rubs me the wrong way in "that's really not how an occult group should work..."

Hmm, maybe I should write up another effortpost on my conception of the different hostile occult forces based on Union's own encounters and what we know of the wider world.
 
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My problem with the Blackguard in its current form is motivation. Any organized group needs to have an ideology or goal that gets them to work together and attracts people to them. Causing chaos, conflict, and sin are more of means to an end, byproduct, or personal goal.

Also, they would need to figure out some sort of uniform that isn't mostly black. The Knights Hospitaller already have that covered.
 
I also just don't think the organization as you've described them would have the institutional capacity to last for as long as you seem to have them doing while retaining any sort of coherency.

Judging by the example of the Witch, I feel you'd have at most, a knight/diabolist with the actually correct origins and a bunch of unrelated people putting on airs (and maybe the occasional apprentice who catches his eye.) This seems to fit with our limited perspective on powerful diabolists: They're either individuals of extreme power like the Witch, Dracula, Tamurkhan (and those latter two may not even be in the same category as the former), or in the rare cases where they are institutions like the Scholomance, they seem to take a more scholarly bent, because actually going out and actively fucking with things has a strong possibility that those things start fucking with you to fatal results.

That more scholarly (or religious) mantle where the priority is gaining and retaining knowledge is something I feel is essential for a group trafficking in something as fundamentally unstable as the occult can actually maintain enough coherency that you can keep calling it by the same name. Because otherwise the elders and wise die off too quickly (if not to enemy action, then each other or their own fuckups) to properly indoctrinate their acolytes and disciples and the group as a whole rapidly loses institutional strength and coherency until it's just a bunch of individuals who at one point wore similar clothes. And at that point it feels ridiculous to even group them under the same title unless it's specifically talking about the past tense.

Like, something about the base concept of the Templar Blackguards as you've described them just rubs me the wrong way in "that's really not how an occult group should work..."

Hmm, maybe I should write up another effortpost on my conception of the different hostile occult forces based on Union's own encounters and what we know of the wider world.
If I may, I would like to respond to your comment with my own attempt to clarify certain potential issues.

First, these guys as I originally conceived them aren't anywhere close to the power level you describe. Beyond immortality and perhaps some supernatural charm abilities, they're pretty mundane, with little interest in changing that fact. Failure would be able to wipe the floor with them in a wizard's duel. Of course, centuries of combat experience means that they would slaughter him with mundane weapons shortly thereafter.

As for them being doomed to be whittled to death because of the lack of institutional experience and recruiting, that's kinda what happened. When I said only a handful survived the three centuries to the present day, I meant it. I'm thinking maybe five or six members when once they numbered around 200*.

*The Knights Templar had 20,000 members at its peak and I figured one percent of that would be a reasonable amount to fall.

My problem with the Blackguard in its current form is motivation. Any organized group needs to have an ideology or goal that gets them to work together and attracts people to them. Causing chaos, conflict, and sin are more of means to an end, byproduct, or personal goal.

Also, they would need to figure out some sort of uniform that isn't mostly black. The Knights Hospitaller already have that covered.
Yeah, I'm starting to see that pure vengeance upon everyone remotely connected to their fall doesn't serve shadowy immortal warrior-diabolists too well as a motive in terms of narrative. If I go through with this idea, I'll likely rework them into undead revenants. Such monomania is well within their wheelhouse, and it would likely fit their ability set better as well. I'd like to hear the thread's thoughts on the matter though.
 
Yeah, I'm starting to see that pure vengeance upon everyone remotely connected to their fall doesn't serve shadowy immortal warrior-diabolists too well as a motive in terms of narrative. If I go through with this idea, I'll likely rework them into undead revenants. Such monomania is well within their wheelhouse, and it would likely fit their ability set better as well. I'd like to hear the thread's thoughts on the matter though.
Yes, undead would be better.
Perhap evil ghosts possesing people, their minds slowly crumbling from years of parasitic unlife.
 
Yeah, I'm starting to see that pure vengeance upon everyone remotely connected to their fall doesn't serve shadowy immortal warrior-diabolists too well as a motive in terms of narrative. If I go through with this idea, I'll likely rework them into undead revenants. Such monomania is well within their wheelhouse, and it would likely fit their ability set better as well. I'd like to hear the thread's thoughts on the matter though.
Yes, undead would be better.
Perhap evil ghosts possesing people, their minds slowly crumbling from years of parasitic unlife.
Alright, I'm going to make a pitch for you. The righteous knights returned from the dead to enact their vengeance against those that wronged them for accusing them of heresy, killing them, and denying them a Christian burial. It goes well with the legend of Jacques de Molay, the Last Grandmaster, cursing Philip IV and his descendants while on his pyre.

Spread them out across Europe if you want, since there was some executions or imprisonments till death in England, Scotland, Ireland, Cyprus, Germany, Spain, and Portugal. You can even have a variety of undead from the method of execution. Blackened skeletons still burning from the pyre, ash-like spirits, headless riders, ghouls that were starved to death in dungeons, and unearthed wights from those seeking to defile their corpse.
 
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Yes, undead would be better.
Perhap evil ghosts possesing people, their minds slowly crumbling from years of parasitic unlife.
It's been about 300 years since the Templars were disbanded. At this point I doubt there will be anything except hatred and a need to corrupt left. Or at least that's what I'll probably be aiming for.

My proto-concept is that when a portion of the ex-Templars fell, they became priority targets for everyone who accepted loyalist Templars into their ranks, aka just about every supernatural protection organization in Europe. Most died in short order, but a few had the occult knowledge and power to take another option. They performed a dark ritual involving the deaths of themselves and a significant number of human sacrifices.

In exchange they gained the ability to return from hell to the land of the living to whisper in the ears of the living, so long as they were able to damn a certain number of souls during their previous trip.

As such, they are nigh impossible to defeat permanently. Fortunately, they are unable to return for a year and a day if exorcised and suffer a greater loss of self than usual. If someone who has a connection to the legacy of those Templars who stayed loyal (membership in any militant holy order that dates from the period will suffice) does the exorcism, both the identity loss and duration of banishment are increased dramatically.
Alright, I'm going to make a pitch for you. The righteous knights returned from the dead to enact their vengeance against those that wronged them for accusing them of heresy, killing them, and denying them a Christian burial. It goes well with the legend of Jacques de Molay, the Last Grandmaster, cursing Philip IV and his descendants while on his pyre.

Spread them out across Europe if you want, since there was some executions or imprisonments till death in England, Scotland, Ireland, Cyprus, Germany, Spain, and Portugal. You can even have a variety of undead from the method of execution. Blackened skeletons still burning from the pyre, ash-like spirits, headless riders, ghouls that were starved to death in dungeons, and unearthed wights from those seeking to defile their corpse.
Eh, even if the story of Molay's death curse is true in-universe, it was obviously effective enough that it wouldn't need any help from the unquiet dead. Plus, I really want to emphasize that the vast majority of Templars remained loyal even in the face of certain death. As is, I'll probably need to use the guys who turned traitor to bulk up the numbers.

Don't get me wrong, your concept is cool. It's just that bringing it to reality would likely require multiple omakes, and my track record with regards to completing multi-part omakes is kinda terrible. Plus, it's pretty different from my original concept.
 
Collected Warnings Regarding Bringers of Temptation (False Angel's Feather excerpt)
Collected Warnings Regarding Bringers of Temptation (False Angel's Feather excerpt)
By Alexandre Bladworth
Annotated by L

The False Angel's Feather
L: Themis's Vengeance, or sometimes Justitia's Purifier, but I can't blame him for getting the details wrong here. Just writing about this at all is impressive given Alexandre's history.

This vile relic appears at first glance to a feather made of otherworldly bronze, usually found within the pages of a philosophical tome as a bookmark. However, do not be fooled, for this feather is in truth a demonic construct which has brought low the souls of many promising academics.

L: Actually, Themis's Vengeance isn't the feather, but rather the tome it supposedly hidden within. The feather is merely an illusion that allows the book to work its dark magic upon its victim from a distance. Naturally, one of the first things that the Purifier makes its puppet do is to "lose" it without realizing it. That way, it can continue to do its vile work.

At first the Feather appears far from unholy. Whoever is unfortunate enough to touch it gets visited by a beautiful woman with an angelic seeming. They are told their wisdom and respect for history has not gone unnoticed. They have been chosen to rid the land of threats to civilization.

L: The construct isn't technically lying, at least not from the viewpoint of those who created it. Unfortunately, it's creators were a cabal of extremist Greco-Roman pagans who would consider everyone born in the last millennium to be subhuman barbarians to be converted if possible and slaughtered if not.

During the first phase subject is granted great skill with arms to slay their targets and rhetoric to convince others to join them. Thus, the victim can gain a notable following with a fair amount of speed, aided by the fact that the early targets are all individuals whose deaths are well deserved that would not have been found without the Feather. Bandits, murderers, diabolists, and other such scum make for easy targets morally, and their surviving victims make for easy recruits.

L: Bladworth is speaking from personal experience here. Early on during his time in Oxford, he fell into the orbit of one John Summers. Summers was by all accounts a kind and intelligent young man with a bright future ahead of him. Alas, he came across Themis's Vengeance, and that bright future went up in smoke. As such, this information is all too accurate.

In the second phase of corruption, the victim's cult (not the best word to describe what happens, but it will suffice) expands even more swiftly beyond his immediate social circle. Members become increasingly fanatical, and the group's targets become increasingly less "acceptable". It is at this point where the nascent cult is most vulnerable. Should the primary victim undergo an exorcism, all victims will return to normal, save for some horrific nightmares during the following few months.

L: This is where Bladworth stops speaking from personal experience. His father fell victim to either a curse or a serious illness (depending upon who you ask) and Alexandre had to return home to be with him, which fortunately broke the Purifier's hold. Despite this, Alexandre is again correct in his assertions.

The third phase is when matters become truly bloody At this point the brainwashed are no longer capable of civilized speech, speaking some unknowable tongue, save for certain individuals in leadership positions. They now forcibly recruit prospective members, and if any individuals who are not prospects cross their paths, they are slain immediately. Should any prospects refuse the ultimatum, they will be slowly tortured to death for all to see so as to discourage others from making the same choice.

L: The tongue is actually a form of Ancient Greek, but the dialect in question was lost to history long ago. As such, no communication can be made at this point in time. The brutality described however, is far too accurate. Alexandre arrived back at Oxford just in time to witness this stage. Only thing he neglected to mention was that the cult usually takes over a church as a base and desecrates it with pagan imagery.

Finally, the fourth phase occurs when the leader is captured or slain. The victims, including the leader should be still be alive, will attempt to take their own lives. The Feather is a sore loser, and will grant the victims incredible determination with which to do so, with almost no victims surviving long enough to be exorcised. Those few individuals who have been prevented from taking their own lives speak of feeling of incredible despair, one that is beyond the capacity of human language to express

L: I shall now quote from the writings of Professor Edmund Burke, another one of the survivors:
Burke: It was at this point a great wail of despair came from the cultists, the likes of which I have never heard before or since. They then proceeded to end their own lives with the nearest available implement. Even poor Eric Brown, whom we had captured and bound so he could be exorcised, ended his life via biting off his tongue and drowning in his own blood.

Burke: The soldiers guarding us then volunteered to go to the desecrated church the blackguards had been using as a base. I came with, in the hopes that my wisdom could detect occult traps that they could not. As we approached we saw more and more corpses of those unjustly slain, either by their own hand or another's, but it was only a preamble for what was to come.

Burke: When we arrived at the church, now bedecked in pagan imagery, we saw yet more corpses and heard the sound of a man sobbing profusely inside. Within, young Bladworth was cradling John Summers' corpse. I took the blade, still coated in the blood of his boon companion, lest Alexandre do something regrettable, and comforted him the best I could. In my youth I celebrated surviving occult dangers, but not this one. Never one like this.


AN: The Templar omake is kicking my ass, so here's another one I've been working on for a while. It was originally the companion to the Soulthief Blades omake, but it also grew to the point where I felt it best to make it its own omake. @OldShadow, I'll save my question for later, assuming this is acceptable to you.
 
Collected Warnings Regarding Bringers of Temptation (False Angel's Feather excerpt)
By Alexandre Bladworth
Annotated by L

The False Angel's Feather
L: Themis's Vengeance, or sometimes Justitia's Purifier, but I can't blame him for getting the details wrong here. Just writing about this at all is impressive given Alexandre's history.

This vile relic appears at first glance to a feather made of otherworldly bronze, usually found within the pages of a philosophical tome as a bookmark. However, do not be fooled, for this feather is in truth a demonic construct which has brought low the souls of many promising academics.

L: Actually, Themis's Vengeance isn't the feather, but rather the tome it supposedly hidden within. The feather is merely an illusion that allows the book to work its dark magic upon its victim from a distance. Naturally, one of the first things that the Purifier makes its puppet do is to "lose" it without realizing it. That way, it can continue to do its vile work.

At first the Feather appears far from unholy. Whoever is unfortunate enough to touch it gets visited by a beautiful woman with an angelic seeming. They are told their wisdom and respect for history has not gone unnoticed. They have been chosen to rid the land of threats to civilization.

L: The construct isn't technically lying, at least not from the viewpoint of those who created it. Unfortunately, it's creators were a cabal of extremist Greco-Roman pagans who would consider everyone born in the last millennium to be subhuman barbarians to be converted if possible and slaughtered if not.

During the first phase subject is granted great skill with arms to slay their targets and rhetoric to convince others to join them. Thus, the victim can gain a notable following with a fair amount of speed, aided by the fact that the early targets are all individuals whose deaths are well deserved that would not have been found without the Feather. Bandits, murderers, diabolists, and other such scum make for easy targets morally, and their surviving victims make for easy recruits.

L: Bladworth is speaking from personal experience here. Early on during his time in Oxford, he fell into the orbit of one John Summers. Summers was by all accounts a kind and intelligent young man with a bright future ahead of him. Alas, he came across Themis's Vengeance, and that bright future went up in smoke. As such, this information is all too accurate.

In the second phase of corruption, the victim's cult (not the best word to describe what happens, but it will suffice) expands even more swiftly beyond his immediate social circle. Members become increasingly fanatical, and the group's targets become increasingly less "acceptable". It is at this point where the nascent cult is most vulnerable. Should the primary victim undergo an exorcism, all victims will return to normal, save for some horrific nightmares during the following few months.

L: This is where Bladworth stops speaking from personal experience. His father fell victim to either a curse or a serious illness (depending upon who you ask) and Alexandre had to return home to be with him, which fortunately broke the Purifier's hold. Despite this, Alexandre is again correct in his assertions.

The third phase is when matters become truly bloody At this point the brainwashed are no longer capable of civilized speech, speaking some unknowable tongue, save for certain individuals in leadership positions. They now forcibly recruit prospective members, and if any individuals who are not prospects cross their paths, they are slain immediately. Should any prospects refuse the ultimatum, they will be slowly tortured to death for all to see so as to discourage others from making the same choice.

L: The tongue is actually a form of Ancient Greek, but the dialect in question was lost to history long ago. As such, no communication can be made at this point in time. The brutality described however, is far too accurate. Alexandre arrived back at Oxford just in time to witness this stage. Only thing he neglected to mention was that the cult usually takes over a church as a base and desecrates it with pagan imagery.

Finally, the fourth phase occurs when the leader is captured or slain. The victims, including the leader should be still be alive, will attempt to take their own lives. The Feather is a sore loser, and will grant the victims incredible determination with which to do so, with almost no victims surviving long enough to be exorcised. Those few individuals who have been prevented from taking their own lives speak of feeling of incredible despair, one that is beyond the capacity of human language to express

L: I shall now quote from the writings of Professor Edmund Burke, another one of the survivors:
Burke: It was at this point a great wail of despair came from the cultists, the likes of which I have never heard before or since. They then proceeded to end their own lives with the nearest available implement. Even poor Eric Brown, whom we had captured and bound so he could be exorcised, ended his life via biting off his tongue and drowning in his own blood.

Burke: The soldiers guarding us then volunteered to go to the desecrated church the blackguards had been using as a base. I came with, in the hopes that my wisdom could detect occult traps that they could not. As we approached we saw more and more corpses of those unjustly slain, either by their own hand or another's, but it was only a preamble for what was to come.

Burke: When we arrived at the church, now bedecked in pagan imagery, we saw yet more corpses and heard the sound of a man sobbing profusely inside. Within, young Bladworth was cradling John Summers' corpse. I took the blade, still coated in the blood of his boon companion, lest Alexandre do something regrettable, and comforted him the best I could. In my youth I celebrated surviving occult dangers, but not this one. Never one like this.


AN: The Templar omake is kicking my ass, so here's another one I've been working on for a while. It was originally the companion to the Soulthief Blades omake, but it also grew to the point where I felt it best to make it its own omake. @OldShadow, I'll save my question for later, assuming this is acceptable to you.
Order of Simon : See, this is why all occult knowledge must be carrefully controled !

Canon, your question will be kept for later.
Also fun fact, someone do not nee to be corrupt to make something like the feather, only occult knowledge, time and to be an asshole.
 
Order of Simon : See, this is why all occult knowledge must be carrefully controled !
Ironic, seeing as how I figured that the loss of said control during the Enlightenment period would be the main reason why the Purifier was destroyed. Secret societies discussing forbidden knowledge was very much "in" during said period, especially amongst academics*. Said increase in occult knowledge means that the target demographic can better identify the warning signs, which results in a huge loss of effectiveness and eventually the Purifier's destruction at the hands of a secret society member who the Purifier makes the mistake of targeting.


*Long story short, the people in power historically didn't like folks discussing Enlightenment ideas, so students formed secret societies in order to do so. Fortunately, Union's philosophy is well situated to be very influential in these circles, so this will hopefully be a net positive as secret occult protection societies rise up to fill the vacuum left by the Church's weakening position. I'm even in the process of writing an omake describing 2-3 of those groups, taking heavy inspiration from Hunter: the Vigil.
 
Order of Simon : See, this is why all occult knowledge must be carrefully controled !
TBH once the Simonites find out about the Forceful Reciprocity, I can see two reactions:
  • A collective panic attack and spending every small bit of influence to Quarantine North America
  • They feel completely vindicated and start acting a little smug with the Michaelites and Lazarites (who IIRC consider them overly pretentious librarians), because that kind of magic alone justify their existence 10 times over.
Because really, a 30 years war in wich any of the participants uses Forceful Reciprocity, could be truly apocalyptic for Europe...

OTOH, if Alexandre manages to pass all knowledge that we have available for research about how to break Forceful Reciprocity to the Church before the monarchs of the Old World find out about it, I can see Alexandre canonized (or at least beatified) for his efforts...
 
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Remind me again what is meant by 'Forceful Reciprocity?' Is that the thing the Tribute-Takers do?
Forceful Reciprocity is the main occult art of the Tribute-Takers, and it's built around what can best be described as corrupted gift-giving. They "gift" something to someone else, which creates a metaphysical "debt" that the other now owes them that they can exploit. From there, they can extend that debt to be owed not just by the individual person, but other people who are connected to the first, up to and including the entire community that person belongs to.

They can also "gift" entirely negative things like say, sickness or pain, and demand in return things like obedience from those they "gift" to. It is, from what we can see, extremely good at enslaving others. I imagine it's also used to "offload" a lot of the suffering that human communities are supposed to go through each Winter onto others so they can get through Winter perfectly fine, along with the active sacrifice of other settlements.
 
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It comes along as it comes along. It's rude to push a QM on how long it'll be until the next update.

Although, while the post has already been made and attention is here, I think there is a slight error where the most recent omake has been put in Threadmarks instead of Sidestories.
 
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After waiting a while I feel safe to ask now. So OldShadow how is the next post coming along?
Beetween work and other issues, I do not have the time and energy to write.
So the update is not coming along at all for now.
It comes along as it comes along. It's rude to push a QM on how long it'll be until the next update.

Although, while the post has already been made and attention is here, I think there is a slight error where the most recent omake has been put in Threadmarks instead of Sidestories.
Thank you
And yes, I write in my free times, I do not want more deadlines and stress, this time from quest writing.
 
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Thank you
And yes, I write in my free times, I do not want more deadlines and stress, this time from quest writing.
Apologies. I just didn't want feel left in the dark entirely. I know how long these types of quest take to make. All just wanted to know was a tad bit of info. I hope you understand and hope you the best you creative genius. (This was the first quest I ever red so hope you understand)
 
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The Wounds upon Creation
I am slowly getting back to writing, as my new situation is beginning to stabilize.
In the meantime, as somewhat of an apology, I present to you all some DEEP LORE.
I will, of course, not be clear about what this mean...


The Wounds upon Creation
Prohibited manuscript from the 9th century. Author unknow.

...And the greatest, unspeakable defiance of Lucifer was revealed to me.
Before me, I could see the nameless legions of his host, gathered from the skyless, landless realm before the Realm of God, where an eternity and an instant, a step and a mile, are the same.
For the Lord is the one spark of light in a boundless domain of formless nothing, the one Law in timeless chaos, the one voice in endless silence, the one action in eternal nothingness.
From horizon to horizon wormed his foot soldiers, formless being untouched by the light of Providence, fleshless and soulless existences that knew neither speach or breath.
Again and again, bright angels broke them apart with weapons of light, and like droplets of fool water, their remnants were spread above and below, before and after, cysts of uncreated matter spread in between, hidden from the light.
And despite their strength, wounded were the angels, wounded were the lights, wounded were the spheres ordering the words, and those wounds resonated like a scream in a dark cavern, for angels are the Stewards of Creations, the Laws of the Lord given form, and the strikes from beyond harmed all they were, until all that is was wounded.

And the one with the greatest wounds was the Betrayer himself, who had battled and intimidated and enslaved the hordes of before, until his light could only blind, his words only lies, and his gifts only trick, his pride so great and poisonous that he could only bring down, and never elevate.

And lo, the truth was clear, that until the End of Times or unless God stripped all beings of free will, cysts and cancers would lie hidden under the skins of Creation, and wounds would pierce and bleed through all existence.

And the wicked would drink upon corrupted blood and pus, and the faithful would have to fear the fools humors and voracious magots that would breed and vomit out of all that was marred.
 
Hey I have a question? How strong are the Malevolent Forces in America. Are they able to crush modern America strong or can they be tamed?
 
Hey I have a question? How strong are the Malevolent Forces in America. Are they able to crush modern America strong or can they be tamed?
They can be tamed, defeated and/or bound, but I would say they have the rights capacities to crush modern America, simply by using its flaws (poverty, violence, divisions...) as levers.
 
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