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Traveller, The Rise of Empire: A Naval Design, Procurement and Command Quest

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the Home Daily News said:
When our reporters asked ten HSWS officers for their opinions on getting involved in the internal conflicts of foreign powers, five officers responded, "Let's just do it and be legends."

Three respondents said, "YOLO!"

The remaining two officers were too busy stuffing railgun sabots into their carry-on luggage to comment.
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[X] Plan Take it Slow

-[x] propose a cultural exchange with Fornice. Have agents get an idea of the general disposition of the population, how their government works, and what general political groups are present.

-[x] request to establish an Embassy to Hermosa on Equus, and invite Hermosa to establish an Embassy on Heimdall.
-[x] propose an exchange of the history of our nations, to achieve a better understanding of the culture and politics of our two nations. Leave out the past 20 years, this is to get an idea of our foundations, not air out the dirty laundry
-[x] work out a formal treaty recognizing the sovereignty of our territories, and a system for trade to cross our borders.
-[x] The sharing of star charts and other information on other major powers.
 
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Thoughts on what I'd like from Hermosa:
[ ] Mutual anchorage agreements in Heimdall and Equus, to allow crews to spend some time off their ships
[ ] Opportunity to purchase fuel in Equus for our exploration and civilian vessels to allow trade with Plenty.
[ ] The sharing of star charts and other information on other powers.
[ ] Recommend the adoption of the Articles of War to Hermosa
[ ] Create a framework for limitations on system penetration - classifications of allowed ships for instance.
 
From what the system code indicates they are a world with a population in the tens of millions with a civil service bureaucracy government and a high level of law that restricts all firearms, blade weapons and the open display of weapons.
 
You know if we're concerned about Hermosa's expansionism then giving them our star charts is just shining two massive targets on Plenty and Fornice for them. I consider them to still be a hostile power from their conquest of Equus and subsequent recon missions without any attempt at communications. That and the existence of Nova Refugio do not paint them as a particularly good neighbor to have and I don't think we should go for anything beyond trying to get them to adopt the laws of war + creating a framework for system penetration.
 
[X] Plan Take it Careful

-[x] propose a cultural exchange with Fornice. Have agents get an idea of the general disposition of the population, how their government works, and what general political groups are present.
--[x] Our arguement to Citizen Council would be like this: "We should align with a the stronger side on Fornice. If their dissident movement is widespread and strong, backing the current government would mean that it could be overthrown. The new government would then oppose us and our interests". We know that otherwise they would back the bureucractic government, and that can produce another S'Taxu Incident in future.
-[x] request to establish an Embassy to Hermosa on Equus, and invite Hermosa to establish an Embassy on Heimdall.
-[x] Mutual anchorage agreements in Heimdall and Equus, to allow crews to spend some time off their ships
-[x] propose an exchange of the history of our nations, to achieve a better understanding of the culture and politics of our two nations. Leave Nova Refugio out of history lessons.
-[x] work out a formal system for trade to cross our borders, without our traders going deeper than Equus and without their traders going deeper than Heimdall.

Fireiy said:
You know if we're concerned about Hermosa's expansionism then giving them our star charts is just shining two massive targets on Plenty and Fornice for them. I consider them to still be a hostile power from their conquest of Equus and subsequent recon missions without any attempt at communications. That and the existence of Nova Refugio do not paint them as a particularly good neighbor to have and I don't think we should go for anything beyond trying to get them to adopt the laws of war + creating a framework for system penetration.
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Yeah, my thoughts too


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We will have to create a formal Fornice task force with large autonomy for decision-making (as soon as we get it going), because sending orders to that system from Home will be a catastrophe.
 
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I don't see much point in the mutual Anchorage. All it would accomplish is allow us to penetrate deeper into each other's territory, which I don't think either Hermosa or us wants.
 
[X] OPLAN: Odd Woman Out
-[X] Write-in: Conduct a careful review of the Fornice situation before offering any aid to the rebel forces, but offer nothing to the dictatorship-remember the last time we trusted a "reasonable" ally with authoritarian means?
-[X] Write-in: approach Hermosa with just the offer of embassies in Heimdall and Equus-but only if and when their illegal penetration of our territory stops. We cannot risk another tragic accident like the Glaive incident. Additionally, continue to fortify our borders with them, and share as little information as possible about other polities like Garda-Villis and Hexos. We will not aid in these imperialist schemes against our neighbors.
Space Warfare Counterintelligence Directorate HUMINT Artifact Report 830-g, organized under Casefile 19M (Code: Wayward)

[Analyst's note: document recovered in a partially-destroyed condition from Multispectrum Warfare Office custodial areas after disposal by subject Novohal, L. Given content, recommend search of private residence.]

To: General Qiu Meers, Primary Command Council, HSWS.

Sir;

Is every single branch of the service suddenly compromised?? Give those suspicious bastards on Hermosa NOTHING they can use to keep cornering us or so help me by the Living Daughter I'll just have to-

[Here, the paper is torn away-crumple marks can be seen along its edge. The remainder of the letter, based on additional custodial evidence, was burnt in a standard-issue office shredder-incinerator used for information sterilization.]
 
Shaara1929 said:
I don't see much point in the mutual Anchorage. All it would accomplish is allow us to penetrate deeper into each other's territory, which I don't think either Hermosa or us wants.
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That could reduce tensions, in terms of "Hermosans would anchor at Heimdall, observe that system is not preparing to attack them" and so on. That's probably the only real purpose - that and espionage
 
[X] OPLAN: Odd Woman Out

Not feeling very happy with any of the plans this time around but I'm leaning the most towards this one and I lack the brainpower to make my own right now.
 
[X] OPLAN: Odd Woman Out

Talking diplomatically with the Hermosans is a good thing, as we don't want another incident like the Glaive, one that almost sparked into a fight that'll escalate into war.
 
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11-5: Cultural Exchange Program
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    • Adhoc vote count started by 4WheelSword on Oct 6, 2024 at 4:13 AM, finished with 25 posts and 10 votes.
    • [X] Plan Take it Slow
      -[x] propose a cultural exchange with Fornice. Have agents get an idea of the general disposition of the population, how their government works, and what general political groups are present.
      -[x] request to establish an Embassy to Hermosa on Equus, and invite Hermosa to establish an Embassy on Heimdall.
      -[x] propose an exchange of the history of our nations, to achieve a better understanding of the culture and politics of our two nations. Leave out the past 20 years, this is to get an idea of our foundations, not air out the dirty laundry
      -[x] work out a formal treaty recognizing the sovereignty of our territories, and a system for trade to cross our borders.
      -[x] The sharing of star charts and other information on other major powers.
      [X] OPLAN: Odd Woman Out
      [X] Plan Take it Careful
      -[x] propose a cultural exchange with Fornice. Have agents get an idea of the general disposition of the population, how their government works, and what general political groups are present.
      --[x] Our arguement to Citizen Council would be like this: "We should align with a the stronger side on Fornice. If their dissident movement is widespread and strong, backing the current government would mean that it could be overthrown. The new government would then oppose us and our interests". We know that otherwise they would back the bureucractic government, and that can produce another S'Taxu Incident in future.
      -[x] request to establish an Embassy to Hermosa on Equus, and invite Hermosa to establish an Embassy on Heimdall.
      -[x] Mutual anchorage agreements in Heimdall and Equus, to allow crews to spend some time off their ships
      -[x] propose an exchange of the history of our nations, to achieve a better understanding of the culture and politics of our two nations. Leave Nova Refugio out of history lessons.
      -[x] work out a formal system for trade to cross our borders, without our traders going deeper than Equus and without their traders going deeper than Heimdall.
      [X] OPLAN: Odd Woman Out
      -[X] Write-in: Conduct a careful review of the Fornice situation before offering any aid to the rebel forces, but offer nothing to the dictatorship-remember the last time we trusted a "reasonable" ally with authoritarian means?
      -[X] Write-in: approach Hermosa with just the offer of embassies in Heimdall and Equus-but only if and when their illegal penetration of our territory stops. We cannot risk another tragic accident like the Glaive incident. Additionally, continue to fortify our borders with them, and share as little information as possible about other polities like Garda-Villis and Hexos. We will not aid in these imperialist schemes against our neighbors.
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    While this message is for the the Citizens Council, the HSWS will have a perspective on it. What is that perspective? Propose a cultural exchange with Fornice. Have agents get an idea of the general disposition of the population, how their government works, and what general political groups are present. Conduct a careful review of the Fornice situation before offering any aid to the rebel forces, but offer nothing to the dictatorship-remember the last time we trusted a "reasonable" ally with authoritarian means?
    What would the HSWS prefer is discussed as part of these negotiations? Request to establish an Embassy to Hermosa on Equus, and invite Hermosa to establish an Embassy on Heimdall- but only if and when their illegal penetration of our territory stops. Propose an exchange of the history of our nations, to achieve a better understanding of the culture and politics of our two nations. Leave out the past 20 years, this is to get an idea of our foundations, not air out the dirty laundry. Work out a formal treaty recognizing the sovereignty of our territories, and a system for trade to cross our borders. Additionally, continue to fortify our borders with them, and share as little information as possible about other polities like Garda-Villis and Hexos.

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    Diplomatic Outreach
    The HSWs waits for news from Hermosa with bated breath, hoping that this negotiation will find the end of what showed all the signs of a flashpoint that could throw at least six systems into interstellar warfare. When the HSLS Bá Kim returns after several long weeks of no-contact, it is to the relief of a great number of HSWS personnel who were at least somewhat concerned that this was going to end in an ad-hoc rescue mission deep into enemy space.

    The negotiations were, in a word, successful. While not everything was achieved, or agreed upon, enough was to call the mission a roaring success and to celebrations and awards and promotions for a number of the officers involved in the mission. The diplomats and several officers who served through the crisis are recognised in a remarkable event in the streets of the capital dome in the Home system, with celebrations lasting for several days. Multiple major commercial entities and businesses give their workers a few days off to celebrate and fill the cities with debauchery and hedonism. It is one of the largest events seen on Home in several years. Even representatives of the Daughters are seen taking to the streets, engaging with the partying in ways that had not been expected by MIC officers.

    But what, exactly, has been agreed that they are celebrating?
    - Both Hermosa and Home will construct an embassy in the system closest to each other, one in Equus and the other in Heimdall. These will be continuously staffed, and available for ongoing negotiations, for raising diplomatic matters with the other party. Both will be constructed in the next five years, both will be built as part of space stations and each will be maintained by the opposite party once constructed.
    - Once the embassies are operational, neither side will be allowed to penetrate the others space without permission as part of logged flight plans, though those logged flight plans must be accepted if they are part of ongoing diplomatic operations. This will, essentially, formalise the intelligence flights as visits to each others diplomatic stations.
    - There will be, in the long term, free ports established in both Equus and Heimdall for merchants from either side to ply their wares. However, there is no timetable laid out for this and it may be many decades before home is able to ship expensive luxuries deep into 'enemy' space.
    - We have also shared with them a very basic map of the polities known to Home, including the extent of their own star empire.

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    As for the history of the two nations, we share with them the timeline of colonisation, the events of the Great Plague that Home suffered with, and the first steps into space made by our intrepid explorers. They, in turn, have shared an obviously redacted history of their own efforts.

    Hermosa began its life as a seed-world, a colony established via the dissemination of equipment, infrastructure and a few thousand humans by a slow-boat several hundred years previously. While the first decades were focused entirely on the engineering required to keep colonists alive on a mostly-ocean planet, this quickly bled into their political systems. As such, it is the engineers and the descendants of engineers who maintained the floating arcologies in which people live that became the rulers of the world. This continued as the people of Hermosa developed and reached out into space in the last half-century, with station chiefs and colony leaders selected from some of the best and brightest educated men.

    And it is only the men. Women have other roles in Hermosan life, but they are notably not leaders, spacers or officers. Every indication is given that they would prefer our diplomatic teams not include women. The unspoken response is that that will not be happening, given that Home values every service member, not just the ones that consider themselves to be men.

    We must plan for a diplomatic station. What are our guiding principles? (Pick two)
    [ ] It must be comfortable.
    [ ] It must be safe.
    [ ] It must be limited.
    [ ] It must be advanced.
    [ ] It must be large.
    [ ] It must host a permanent cadre.
    [ ] Other - write in.


    Fornice
    With the return of the HSLS Bá Kim, the HSWS has the opportunity to conduct a true diplomatic mission to Fornice, at the expense of the previously planned mission North. This would serve to bring MIC officers into the Fornice sphere, to conduct a casual cultural exchange and to allow formal meetings with senior figures in the polity. However it would, once again, be a matter of delaying the mission North.

    What of the diplomats?
    [ ] Send them South, to Fornice
    [ ] Send them North, to tour Menorb, Inthe and Natoko.

    Please present votes as plans. Voting opens at .
     
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    • MordredRaal said:
    What does cadre mean in this context? Since it's an embassy I would assume it would always have a permanent diplomatic cadre? So are these intelligence? Politicians? Or does this mean keeping the same people on the station as much as possible rather than rotating teams of diplomats?
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    It must be constantly rather than intermittently staffed.
     
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