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Traveller, The Rise of Empire: A Naval Design, Procurement and Command Quest

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4WheelSword said:
There is a second problem with adding missile racks to the CFA - you then need a missile magazine.
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Only if they intend to have reloads, no? I was thinking of just throwing on a small number of fragmentation missiles to act as point defence against any missiles that got past the lasers, since that's basically zero cost and doesn't increase the power footprint (so it can be refit onto existing ships as well). It's a 1-for-1 trade against missiles, guaranteed, so it makes sense as a final line of defence? Each rack can carry 12 missiles, so for a CFA (which has 12 twin laser turrets), we'd be carrying 144 missiles.


Anyways, here's a plan. I'm trying to leave budget and tonnage for another carrier laydown soon. I'm modifying @Aged_Urbanist's idea a bit to be more explicitly us encouraging immigration/poaching of skilled workers, but making sure they're integrating into Home's civil society. I'm hoping that this can serve as a template for immigration in the future - we've got a decent world for living on in general. The self-propelled station is 5,000 tons so that it can get a command bridge and a distributed array as a future upgrade, and it proides extra space for some offensive weapons and space for some internals that'll enhance its usefulness like workshops and cargo space.

[] Plan: That's a moon!
-[] Write-in: We should propose offering land on Home for immigrants willing to come work in our industries, as long as the inhabitants agree to follow Home's laws.
-[] Other: write in:
--[] A 5,000 ton self-propelled defensive/minefield command station, built into a buffered planetoid with an emphasis on defence & durability, in order to free up the ships currently on Cassalon Station.
--[] Another in-system minelayer.
--[] Refit more frigates into sensor pickets, as budget and yardspace allows.
-[] Write-in: Allocate what forces can be spared to rendezvous with Omarov's fleet.
-[] Write-in: develop a package of rapid modernizations that can be made to ships under repairs, such as bolting a point defence fragentation missile rack onto the sides of the currently-used twin laser turrets.
-[] Write-in: establish best practices for new military construction, such as hardening systems which draw power and are combat-critical.
 
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C_Z said:
Only if they intend to have reloads, no? I was thinking of just throwing on a small number of fragmentation missiles to act as point defence against any missiles that got past the lasers, since that's basically zero cost and doesn't increase the power footprint (so it can be refit onto existing ships as well). It's a 1-for-1 trade against missiles, guaranteed, so it makes sense as a final line of defence?


Anyways, here's a plan. I'm trying to leave budget and tonnage for another carrier laydown soon. I'm modifying @Aged_Urbanist's idea a bit to be more explicitly us encouraging immigration/poaching of skilled workers, but making sure they're integrating into Home's civil society. I'm hoping that this can serve as a template for immigration in the future - we've got a decent world for living on in general. The self-propelled station is 5,000 tons so that it can get a command bridge and a distributed array as a future upgrade, and it proides extra space for some offensive weapons and space for some internals that'll enhance its usefulness like workshops and cargo space.

[] Plan: That's a moon!
-[] Write-in: We should propose offering land on Home for technical experts willing to come work in our high-tech industry, as long as the inhabitants agree to follow Home's laws.
-[] Other: write in:
--[] A 5,000 ton self-propelled defensive/minefield command station, built into a buffered planetoid with an emphasis on defence & durability, in order to free up the ships currently on Cassalon Station.
--[] Another in-system minelayer.
--[] Refit more frigates into sensor pickets, as budget and yardspace allows.
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TBF we already gave them the "YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW OUR LAWS" pitch last time, so I'm not sure we need to repeat it.
 
I would keep in mind what happened the last time we accepted Aslan's offer of land for technology. Their deal is explicitly land for the families and clans of the Aslan, they will not accept an offer of land purely for the technical experts.
4WheelSword said:
"Of course they will be citizens! Citizens of Home, Citizens of Cassalon, and Citizens of the greater Aslan Hierate! We would not restrict their rights and neither must you - should an Aslan wish to serve in your military, why would we stop them! They will, however, always be welcome to return to Aslan space, to Aslan ships, and to their place in the family that is larger than any of our own."

The Aslan agree - how could they not? New land, new families, the growth of the clans and a greater distribution of their peoples beyond their own borders with barely a finger lifted? They cannot imagine a sweeter diplomatic deal. There are murmurs in Cassalon and on Home, that these... invaders will bring with them horrible weapons, nasty laws, grim punishments and life will change inherently for the proles who suffer the decisions of their masters. After all, every Aslan man is a grim faced mercenary and every Aslan woman is a conniving temptress - at least that's what some are saying.

Nonetheless, the agreement is had and the first families representatives arrive to begin scouting out where they will lay their claims alongside Home and Cassalon's own land surveyors. Along with them come scientists, engineers and naval architects, who will help to uplift the HSWS and Home proper in developing new technologies for use on their ships.
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The last plan does not send any additional forces to Vice Marshall Omarov. I think we should send a second commander with the carrier, the MAT, a minelayer, a logistics ship and whatever reserve and garrison forces we can make free without cutting our defences too bare.

Omarov seems to have chosen to try and seize Menorb and I think we should commit to that. The commander we send should put themselves under Omarov's command.

The forces we send should prioritise weapons that can engage this fast enemy effectively (perhaps bomb-pumped laser torpedos would work because they can't really be outrun).

Strategically, I think we have the initiative right now and we have a lot of ships and crews we can send. I think we should aim to seize/liberate at least one of these populated northern systems, preferably all of them. This would deny them as bases to our enemy and may yield us significant gains in economy or tech.
 
Fireiy said:
they will not accept an offer of land purely for the technical experts.
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Their technical experts are also females only, I am not sure they would agree to immigrate to work in our companies. Maybe if they would create some sort of their own corporation. And still, with the aim to get land probably. And would maybe be more, well, predatory than our domestic corps, mm.

Also if you want to replace the Home's current laws with new Daughter-influenced ones in future, I am not sure how it would work with Aslan on the planet.
 
I think we can offer lands to clans that promise to provide the right kinds of technical experts to our economy, we can even encourage them to run their own companies so long as they also employ HSWS-aligned experts.

Why should we care if many of the immigrants will not be relevant experts? We have an abundance of unworked land and it won't hurt us to have the Aslan more invested in protecting Home.
 
C_Z said:
Only if they intend to have reloads, no? I was thinking of just throwing on a small number of fragmentation missiles to act as point defence against any missiles that got past the lasers, since that's basically zero cost and doesn't increase the power footprint (so it can be refit onto existing ships as well). It's a 1-for-1 trade against missiles, guaranteed, so it makes sense as a final line of defence? Each rack can carry 12 missiles, so for a CFA (which has 12 twin laser turrets), we'd be carrying 144 missiles.


Anyways, here's a plan. I'm trying to leave budget and tonnage for another carrier laydown soon. I'm modifying @Aged_Urbanist's idea a bit to be more explicitly us encouraging immigration/poaching of skilled workers, but making sure they're integrating into Home's civil society. I'm hoping that this can serve as a template for immigration in the future - we've got a decent world for living on in general. The self-propelled station is 5,000 tons so that it can get a command bridge and a distributed array as a future upgrade, and it proides extra space for some offensive weapons and space for some internals that'll enhance its usefulness like workshops and cargo space.

[] Plan: That's a moon!
-[] Write-in: We should propose offering land on Home for technical experts willing to come work in our high-tech industry, as long as the inhabitants agree to follow Home's laws.
-[] Other: write in:
--[] A 5,000 ton self-propelled defensive/minefield command station, built into a buffered planetoid with an emphasis on defence & durability, in order to free up the ships currently on Cassalon Station.
--[] Another in-system minelayer.
--[] Refit more frigates into sensor pickets, as budget and yardspace allows.
-[] Write-in: develop a package of rapid modernizations that can be made to ships under repairs, such as bolting a point defence fragentation missile rack onto the sides of the currently-used twin laser turrets.
-[] Write-in: establish best practices for new military construction, such as hardening systems which draw power and are combat-critical.
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You're missing the FDI bit, and I think we hit on laws and citizenship as well. I agree with the shipbuilding recommendations and I think the asteroid fort is a solid idea. I still think for the moment we need shipbuilding devoted to mobile platforms, though.
 
Draz said:
Why should we care if many of the immigrants will not be relevant experts? We have an abundance of unworked land and it won't hurt us to have the Aslan more invested in protecting Home.
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It's more or less like giving a barony or a county to a noble (with his clan/subclan to live on it). They are agreeing to follow our laws, and would like for their landless males to serve in our military and females to eb able to work in science/business whatnot and gain their own riches and "worth". But it's also an "ancestral barony for a noble clan" at the same time.
 
Aged_Urbanist said:
You're missing the FDI bit, and I think we hit on laws and citizenship as well. I agree with the shipbuilding recommendations and I think the asteroid fort is a solid idea. I still think for the moment we need shipbuilding devoted to mobile platforms, though.
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I very much don't want FDI, because of how our government works. Foreign ownership means foreign influence on our politics, which will probably piss off the citizen's council and make our future job of wrangling the government/ousting it much harder.
 
Josiah said:
It's more or less like giving a barony or a county to a noble (with his clan/subclan to live on it). They are agreeing to follow our laws, and would like for their landless males to serve in our military and females to eb able to work in science/business whatnot and gain their own riches and "worth". But it's also an "ancestral barony for a noble clan" at the same time.
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Sure? I think we have plenty of land and don't care if some is an ancestral gift to a family, especially if it is currently undeveloped.


Aged_Urbanist said:
So… FDI?
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Sure, if FDI means what I said.

I think this economic/immigration choice is less interesting or important than us actually committing forces to the north.
 
To be honest I wouldn't mind giving them a stake in Shambala if it didn't have the primitives on it, in fact any land I'd want to give the Aslan would be something they'd be obliged to defend as a marcher colony on our border.

I think we should hold on to their offer for now and offer them stakes in Menorb later if this all works out.
 
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Maxin_inc said:
To be honest I wouldn't mind giving them a stake in Shambala if it didn't have the primitives on it, in fact any land I'd want to give the Aslan would be something they'd be obliged to defend as a marcher colony on our border.

I think we should hold on to their offer for now and offer them stakes in Menorb later if this all works out.
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There are lots of Aslan, we can make the offer again with Menorb.
 
[X] Plan: That's a moon!
-[X] Write-in: We should propose offering housing on Home for immigrants willing to come work in our industries.
-[X] Other: write in:
--[X] An approximately 5,000 ton self-propelled defensive/minefield command station, built into a buffered planetoid with an emphasis on defence & durability, in order to free up the ships currently on Cassalon Station.
--[X] Another in-system minelayer.
--[X] Refit more frigates into sensor pickets, as budget and yardspace allows.
-[X] Write-in: Allocate what forces can be spared and have them rendezvous with Omarov's fleet ASAP.
-[X] Write-in: develop a package of rapid modernizations that can be made to ships under repairs, such as bolting a point defence fragentation missile rack onto the sides of the currently-used twin laser turrets.
-[X] Write-in: establish best practices for new military construction, such as hardening systems which draw power and are combat-critical.
 
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C_Z said:
[X] Write-in: Allocate what forces can be spared to rendezvous with Omarov's fleet.
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Could we be bit more precise? We've already "informed Omarov that we can reinfocre her with such and such ships", which worked exactly as "we offered them to her, and she likes the idea, but haven't send any yet". Maybe we would just send her some particular ships?
 
Josiah said:
Could we be bit more precise? We've already "informed Omarov that we can reinfocre her with such and such ships", which worked exactly as "we offered them to her, and she likes the idea, but haven't send any yet". Maybe we would just send her some particular ships?
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Why? She asked for some ships, Section presumably knows which ships we can spare, micromanaging it doesn't produce any specific benefit unless you have a strong opinion that a specific ship must be sent North.
 
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