Transposition, or: Ship Happens [Worm/Aoki Hagane no Arpeggio | Arpeggio of Blue Steel]

1)Who said anything about cape fights? BB is changing, having old buildings torn down (deliberately) and new ones built there instead makes perfect sense.
2)If you change "exactly" to "approximately" I'd agree with you, and that fits with the scene you referenced.
3a)she's not his wife, she's his EX-wife.
3b)she might know how to get there by car or on foot, by air is a very different issue, especially at night.

1) The tall and distinctive-roofed (alternatively: exceedingly wide sprawling complexes) towers used for nav beacons in mental map construction do not get replaced at nearly a rate enough in any city to break skyline recognition within 2 years, unless the city has been notably bombed and over half of them have been levelled.
The only cities that can sprout new downtown buildings as fast as you suggest are ones that are growing INSANELY FAST, with lots of construction planned and ongoing since before Purity left E88.

2) If she knows approximately where it is, that's at LEAST down to block level, and thus she won't be making TWO screw-ups.

3A) "The CEO's ex-wife throughout her marriage did not learn exactly where the HQ is" isn't much dumber than "The CEO's ex-wife doesn't nervously keep an eye on where the HQ has been moved to, despite having custody and being far less wealthy than the CEO and thus sure to lose a custody battle."

3B) Purity has been flying around E88 territory, including downtown, for a decade. You'd think given that time she'd know most of the major buildings downtown by sight.

This is the Philadelphia Night Skyline.


This is daytime from about 150 degrees away i.e. almost oppsite viewpoint.


I count four (4) MASSIVE primary nav beacons: The square pyramid roof, the two pointed roofs with tapering sides (one has a huge mast on top) and the huge-rectangular-block-on-top tall tower. And the triangular prism roof with the huge glowy + at night is a nav beacon you see coming from one direction, but not the other. The clock tower in the foreground of the daytime image is another example of such (it would definitely be illuminated at night).

If you cannot navigate about as well as in the daytime down to at least "this is the right block, and those beacons are in that direction from this block, so I know it's this corner of this block", YOU ARE BLIND.

Brockton Bay is much smaller than Philadelphia, so expect rather fewer towers, which means distinctive towers are even easier to isolate and mind-map.

I know the splash image on the Worm website is not actually supposed to be the bay, as it has far too many towers for a 300K-ish city. It looks like at least 2 million people in the city to me, but let's use it for a moment to identify some buildings.

And even that has at least these obvious nav beacons I can pick out in 5 minutes:
1. The squat wide building at left near waterfront with an antenna with blinker lights on it (this could be a nearby needle)
2. The tall narrow building at center near waterfront.
3. The triangular prism roof building inland and slightly beyond the tall narrow one from the squat wide one (near center of image to right of tall foreground tower)
4. The pyramidal roofs near waterfront, perhaps a vintage site, which means lights illuminating the sides and roof sides at night (far right)
5. The pointed needle inland near three towers (just to right of squat building at left)
6. The needle with blinker light on a tall square tower inland from the pyramidal-roofed possibly vintage building(s) (far right of image)

You can remove at most one such building within 2 years in a stagnating city that's not being bombed to oblivion, otherwise no one wants to pay for the demolition. Which won't kill the mind-map! And you won't be adding more than one or two (if you really stretch it) landmark towers in a slowly dying city. Only monumentally rapid growth could add much more than that. Even then, adding other nav beacons still keeps the existing map functional enough to just add them. Given the presence of the bay, you only actually need ONE (1) nav beacon to find something downtown down to block level, as "nearest distinctive point of bay, or just nearest shore point of bay" plus that nav beacon already gives you two vectors (off the base line between the beacon and the Bay, or perhaps the line to the Rig--I know it's not officially called that but if you park a former oil rig in a city with no other oil rigs a local nickname WILL be "the Rig"--in the bay) that intersect somewhere.

NOTE: I'm not a flier so I don't have the navigational instincts Purity should have from a decade of flying around near Downtown. She should be capable of referencing a mental library of at least 6-8 nav beacons, while 4 would suffice to find any building downtown she's reasonably familiar with i.e. the Medhall building or New Medhall building (it should have been mentioned in-story if it was new)

I conclude that that she does always glow during flight.

Also if she flying artillery that can destroy buildings and flies as fast as speedster her values as an asset is ridiculous.

Obliviously, her glow don't bother her, but what about her night vision? It's possible that due to the fact that everything around her is illuminated she can't see well far in the darkness due to contrast. And therefore if she has to navigate buildings she need to fly relatively close to them, and whole idea "go up, than down" won't work.

1. Which means visiting Max by flight makes ZERO sense. Walking through the front door as the CEO's ex-wife asking to chat with him is far, FAR more inconspicuous.

Can you imagine this:
PRT Console: "This is the PRT hotline, how may I help you?"
Cape Groupie: "I just saw a bright streak of light zoom into the Medhall building, it looked like Purity..."
PRT Console: "Oh... no that's..." scrabbling about for excuses... "uh... maybe Lady Photon, the other glowy flier in the city, is hooking up with some executive at Medhall. Pay no attention to it!"
*PHO EXPLODES*

2. Which is why I can't believe Max drove her away enough/let her go unless she was also a joke. As in "navigational Circular Error Probable is the size of the Bay". Either that or she was too zealous for him and he not enough for her.

There's a problem though with Velocity.
We can assume Velocity can run sustained about 15 KPH (sprint for humans is max about 40 KPH but let's use 36 to assume he's not that genetically/age oriented for sprints) without power use as a reasonably fit man (average man goes 8.3 mph or about 13 KPH), and if he can move 100x as fast (the world seems 1/100 speed to him) then if Purity is near him in speed... he's going 1500 KPH with max spikes of 3600 KPH for 100m dashes), which if Brockton Bay is perfectly square gridded means to maintain pursuit of Purity in a suburban area (allowing him to maintain line of sight) requires he be sqrt(2) or about 1.4 times faster than her. However, being more than 2x (I'm eyeballing here) faster than her at their max speeds would result in closing the distance even with the grid angle issue, which basically means she absolutely has to fly diagonal to the grid until she can reach downtown and break line of sight by sheltering in some tower or similar where he has to go through doors to reach her due to lacking flight. Trying to break LOS outside downtown results in him catching up too fast and nabbing her before she can even stop power use without dropping too far to the ground, 100x reaction speed is OP.

Result? Purity must fly at least 70% of Velocity's sustained ground speed if she only flies diagonal to grids after sighting him (needles should be Velocity's main arsenal as he can get into position to throw really fast and sling it (if range is needed) to leave his speed field before the enemy can react, and they are small enough to stay in his field like clothing when on the move, have relatively high armour penetration due to impact area, and don't need much force to punch through, use an extremely potent skeletal muscle paralytic and Velocity can lolpwn a LOT). It is more likely that she is about 80% of his speed . So Purity flies about 1200 KPH... around or over the speed of sound.

3. See above photos for expected optical clarity (Philadelphia with more people and more industries only has light and particulate pollution that stops you from seeing stars. Hell New York's downtown core isn't as polluted as you suggest (which would be needed to scatter light enough to prevent night vision).
If her night vision was that bad, then at her established speeds navigating anywhere downtown would be about as safe as flying a F-35 through Manhattan at 20m (about 66 feet) above street level. Reaction time just isn't enough at 1200 KPH (a third of a kilometer per second, humans typically take about 0.5 seconds to orient and react to stimulus, and in the case of complex navigation it takes longer) to not hit buildings.

You people keep telling me that the Bay is not big on manufacturing. This has IMPLICATIONS on the amount of air pollution we can ascribe to the Bay, which in turn determines visibility with glare. If you can drive a car with headlights on at night while still able to see buildings up ahead (like how you can see towers in the distance in Philly on the right streets, or see the CN Tower in Toronto driving along the Gardiner Expressway from many kilometers off), Purity high in the air out of ground-level dust and air pollution can navigate trivially.

A car headlight on high is blinding to someone up close. Since Purity flaring her glow is not described as the flash of a flashbang, she cannot be much brighter than that and thus will not affect her own night vision (if it, as you claim, isn't enhanced).
 
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For the record: i think it's silly subject to argue upon and i agree that it's author's error.
But nitpicking is what we do here.
expected optical clarity
Not representatative.
Counter-example, dowtown Detroit, closer to BB in concept, i think:
Now, BB is lot smaller, so light pollution is not as prominent.

Building recognition: "From here, the buildings all looked the same, with mirrored outsides and gravel rooftops." -Majority of buildings are made in at least somewhat same style - with mirrored windows, so they 1) look same-sh 2) don't produce much light themselves (windows don't glow) (however the amplify existing light).
Also, due to economical down, less people work in downtown with also reduces light pollution.

Which means visiting Max by flight makes ZERO sense.
On the first look - yes. Than, if you think about it - memetic "people don't look up" - especially true in BB. IF you are on the streets, that you to look at the road before you - to spot any unfilled holes and around - checking for criminal elements.
Also, i don't know about you, but i personally actually don't look up much, so i won't a chance to spot supposed Purity.

Conclusion: she goes "Fuck it, i'm a speedster, i don't need to remember where shit is, i just make couple extra loops if i need to."
 
But nitpicking is what we do here.

Counter-example, dowtown Detroit, closer to BB in concept, i think:
Now, BB is lot smaller, so light pollution is not as prominent.

Building recognition: "From here, the buildings all looked the same, with mirrored outsides and gravel rooftops." -Majority of buildings are made in at least somewhat same style - with mirrored windows, so they 1) look same-sh 2) don't produce much light themselves (windows don't glow) (however the amplify existing light).
Also, due to economical down, less people work in downtown with also reduces light pollution.


On the first look - yes. Than, if you think about it - memetic "people don't look up" - especially true in BB. IF you are on the streets, that you to look at the road before you - to spot any unfilled holes and around - checking for criminal elements.
Also, i don't know about you, but i personally actually don't look up much, so i won't a chance to spot supposed Purity.

Conclusion: she goes "Fuck it, i'm a speedster, i don't need to remember where shit is, i just make couple extra loops if i need to."

Nitpicking: Exactly.

Counter-example?
Please spoiler properly so I can quote easily.
ALSO: "How many tall, impressive office buildings hath Brockton Bay?" -Max Anders-
Because BB is much, much smaller than Destroyed Detroit, that means a smaller downtown that is easier to navigate, on the level of "take this photo and cut off 25% from left and right sides".
The red, white and blue roof lights on that middle building, the angle of the joining of two major streets near it, the huge red light on a bright blocky building in the distance, these are all navigational beacons. If all else fails, the BODY OF WATER is a HUGE, continuous nav beacon. There is the shape of the bay, the layout of the main throughfares, and the Protectorate Rig (fanon name, but a perfectly sensible nickname) to consider.
It's like saying "Hey, if I take a settlement around a small bay, in roughly a C shape, and plop something as obvious and well-lit as the Statue of Liberty in that bay, along with knowing the major street layout from the air for a decade, I can still get lost in the few blocks of downtown." Which is... questionable.

People don't look up in our world.
In a world where death from above is common, in a city where a few years back for a decade there was glowy flying artillery, people WILL learn to look up (a common failure of superhero fiction is the lack of cultural adaptation, something humans are very good at), even if only cursory checks for bright white glowy things. Medhall is almost certainly considered one of the safer areas of the city for whites, so tourists--they come here to see CAPES, which means most of the idiots who get shanked every night are tourists too dumb to stay safe i.e. not come to this hellhole--at least will be looking up at the buildings and/or checking out the nightlife nearby (where E88 has enough control to order gang violence be dialed down) followed by prompt posting online from their phones. Alternatively, people from a greater distance see a glowy trail suddenly dart across their line of sight in some direction, and at least a few people would make the call or shitpost on PHO, quickly leading to "went into Medhall".

Conclusion: Lady Photon will be very buttmad over the rumours of her (EDIT: Very flashily and with full glow to look like Purity for whatever nefarious reasons Kaiser has to smear Medhall...) hooking up with Max Anders.

Less people working = less light from buildings? This contradicts earlier arguments of having new buildings to act as landmarks confusing Purity. If there are less people working downtown, they're not going to build more notable towers.
 
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1) The tall and distinctive-roofed (alternatively: exceedingly wide sprawling complexes) towers used for nav beacons in mental map construction do not get replaced at nearly a rate enough in any city to break skyline recognition within 2 years
What "tall and distinctive-roofed" buildings are you talking about? I don't recall any in canon. There might be such buildings conviniently positioned to aid navigation, but given the city and its suberbs are only ~350,000 people that's unlikely.

This is the Philadelphia Night Skyline.
Philidelphia on it's own has a population of over 1.5 million. Combare that to BB and suberbs having only 350,000 people. Bigger doesn't mean harder to navigate, it can even mean easier given that there 's more money to spend on "unique" buildings.
Boston (close to twice BB's size but still a better comparison than philidelphia http://www.skylinescenes.com/image?filename=boston_102_9494_up.jpg&width=580&height=0
http://www.skylinescenes.com/image?filename=boston_104_4066_up.jpg&width=300&height=0

Honolulu, a lot more turistry than BB but about the right size
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/...LqWRn47dSuTqxd-JhhJDDcUaCpc38ilZJNki_49Pqu-H_

Some cities have some very interesting skylines, others have a lot of very similar buildings. BB seems to be the later.
 
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19. Nanomaterial can emulate organic compounds down to cell structure.

I know this post is 2 years old but I just its been bugging me seeing Taylor do it with no effort. Once she unlocked some abilities, suddenly she can perfectly imitate blood.

In the manga, it's not an inbuilt ability, the person has to research biology/cells if they want to replicate biology accurately.
 
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I know this post is 2 years old but it always bugged me seeing Taylor do it with no effort. Once she unlocked some abilities suddenly she can perfectly imitate blood.

In the manga, it's not an inbuilt ability, the person has to research biology/cells if they want to replicate biology accurately.

Taylor isn't replicating biology. She just oozes a red colored liquid that looks like blood when it's appropriate to do so.

Taylor's insides have never had anything to do with biology since she became a boat. She was either a girl shaped amorphous blob of nanomachines, or her current configuration of diamond bones and artificial muscles, no biology simulation required.
 
From the first chapter.

It's pretty clear that the feat was taken straight from the manga. The page I cited before was actually the right before the feat one.

Rereading chapter 1, Taylor knows human cellular biology because QA is configured as a networked processor, and QA needed that information to properly bond with a human host. QA is divulging this information because it thinks Taylor is an Entity its been transferred to.

The crowning irony is that Taylor has full access to all of QA's possible functions, and could have fully healed Lisa had she been aware of what QA is truly capable of.
 
The crowning irony is that Taylor has full access to all of QA's possible functions, and could have fully healed Lisa had she been aware of what QA is truly capable of.
Which will never stop being the case. Even if Lisa ends up as an upload in a robotic body, that wouldn't stop QA from rebuilding her biological one if she wants to.

The question is, why doesn't Taylor know that? Is it because QA hasn't told her (yet), or is it part of the information that's quarantined by the Taylor-isn't-fully-stable-yet protocols?
 
The question is, why doesn't Taylor know that? Is it because QA hasn't told her (yet), or is it part of the information that's quarantined by the

I think it's because she never asked. QA and Taylor's UC are OCPs for each other, but have made a lot of faulty assumptions on what the other is. QA thinks its been transfered to a new Entity that's using it for control of the nanomaterial and parallel processing, and if the Entity known as Relentless wanted QA to heal the biological host organism, then Relentless would have told QA to do so. Meanwhile the experimental UC Taylor has probably assumes QA to be a different model of experimental UC assigned to help it, and didn't tell QA to heal Lisa because UCs don't have space magic healing powers.
 
Chapter 95.5 was published. Covers Hyuuga's time on IwoJima. Gives a lot of info about Fog capability.
In full month she
1. Recovered all left-over nanomaterial from her ship-body.
1.1. For this she repaired human-made cargo ship that was left on an island for at least 15 years at this point.
1.2. Had at lest 4 different designs of nanomaterial-made nanomaterial recovery vessels.
2. Made base itself.
3. Created quick-growth coffee plants (at least 2 designs) and with addition of personally developed fertilizer had coffee ready. It's unclear if it's safe for human to drink, however.

Also
Between 6 day of second month and 2nd day of 3rd month she designed, mass-produced and put to work her robots.
 
Chapter 95.5 was published. Covers Hyuuga's time on IwoJima. Gives a lot of info about Fog capability.
In full month she
1. Recovered all left-over nanomaterial from her ship-body.
1.1. For this she repaired human-made cargo ship that was left on an island for at least 15 years at this point.
1.2. Had at lest 4 different designs of nanomaterial-made nanomaterial recovery vessels.
2. Made base itself.
3. Created quick-growth coffee plants (at least 2 designs) and with addition of personally developed fertilizer had coffee ready. It's unclear if it's safe for human to drink, however.

Also
Between 6 day of second month and 2nd day of 3rd month she designed, mass-produced and put to work her robots.

Hahahaha, she really likes her coffee. :D

It's kind of a shame AoBS isn't more popular. I fucking love it personally.
 
Conclusion: Brockton Bay should be thankful that they have Relentless and not Hyuuga.

Else she'd put all the other tinkers to shame and that's when she was relatively "young" in terms of her mental model. She hasn't even thought of the support vessels yet.

The last thing they'd want is get being bored... remember the Robot Army is built of conventional materials
 
Welp, I just finished Vol 6 of the Manga. I saw the anime, the two movies, and now reading the Manga so I know what the hell is going ono_O
 
Conclusion: Brockton Bay should be thankful that they have Relentless and not Hyuuga.

Else she'd put all the other tinkers to shame and that's when she was relatively "young" in terms of her mental model. She hasn't even thought of the support vessels yet.

The last thing they'd want is get being bored... remember the Robot Army is built of conventional materials

If AoBS!Hyuuga was in Brockton Bay, Saint would be the Hero of the Hour. With Dragon helping him.
 
If you manage to figure out what is going on, do please tell us. Because no-one else has been able to work it out yet.
As far as I can tell it's nothing but Space Boats running about while pretending to be WWII ships or human (and picking up all sorts of entertaining quirks along the way)...

Why they are doing so however is still in question, or even if there's actually a reason beyond "it's fun!" for most of them. :D
 
If you manage to figure out what is going on, do please tell us. Because no-one else has been able to work it out yet.

As far as I can tell it's nothing but Space Boats running about while pretending to be WWII ships or human (and picking up all sorts of entertaining quirks along the way)...

Why they are doing so however is still in question, or even if there's actually a reason beyond "it's fun!" for most of them. :D

What's going on is the Fog dealing with a poorly-worded order given to them by a German scientist towards the end of WWII and subsequent disappearance of the Admiralty Code.

The real question is what are they are supposed to be doing. :whistle:
 
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What's going on is the Fog just dealing with the poorly-worded order given to them by a German scientist towards the end of WWII and subsequent disappearance of the Admiralty Code.

The real question is what are they are supposed to be doing. :whistle:
The Fog are clearly hyper advanced presumably alien and\or time-travelling war machines, as I can't see how WWII humans could possibly have constructed anything even remotely like them even with Anime shenanigans. The big question is why in gods name were they taking orders from said scientist?
And what the crap is the Admiralty Code up to!? And why does it\she wear a space suit? Did the Apollo missions find something on the moon in Arpeggio-verse? But the Apollo missions happened after WWII.
AAAGH! :confused:
 
The Fog are clearly hyper advanced presumably alien and\or time-travelling war machines, as I can't see how WWII humans could possibly have constructed anything even remotely like them even with Anime shenanigans. The big question is why in gods name were they taking orders from said scientist?
And what the crap is the Admiralty Code up to!? And why does it\she wear a space suit? Did the Apollo missions find something on the moon in Arpeggio-verse? But the Apollo missions happened after WWII.
AAAGH! :confused:
The Fog were invented by the Daleks so they'd have something to feel superior to after they wiped out all the rest of creation. Unfortunately for them, they overestimated how awesome they were. The Fog went back to side with WWII German scientists because they are there to oppose the Daleks working for Winston Churchill.
 
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