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To Establish Peace - A Romance of the Three Kingdoms Quest

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copypastaanon said:
Also Cao Cao never had plans to depose the emperor, it's why he called himself King of Wei rather than Emperor, it was Cao Pi who disregarded his father's advice after death and did that.
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I'm not sure on that. He was going through an awful lot of pageantry with the nine bestowments, escalating titles and refusing to ascend the throne. This behavior closely tracks to the path charted out earlier by Wang Mang, who usurped the throne and installed his brief-lived and intensely ideological Xin (that is, New) Dynasty- and it would be followed closely by the swarm of usurpers to come later. Cao Pi was able to pick up pretty shortly from where Cao Cao left off in large part due to the groundwork that had already been laid by his father's efforts when Cao Cao died early from his brain tumor or whatever that was.
 
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Kipeci said:
I'm not sure on that. He was going through an awful lot of pageantry with the nine bestowments, escalating titles and refusing to ascend the throne. This behavior closely tracks to the path charted out earlier by Wang Mang, who usurped the throne and installed his brief-lived and intensely ideological Xin (that is, New) Dynasty- and it would be followed closely by the swarm of usurpers to come later. Cao Pi was able to pick up pretty shortly from where Cao Cao left off in large part due to the groundwork that had already been laid by his father's efforts when Cao Cao died early from his brain tumor or whatever that was.
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He also explicitly told his son to not usurp the emperor after his death.
 
Ryan456 said:
It just says he forced the emperor to abdicate so Cao Cao might not of wanted that to happen
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He seems kinda suspect from how he was reacting to his advisor Xun Yu's Han loyalism later in life and all the other stuff I mentioned, to me that doesn't telegraph intending to keep the Han on the throne in the long-term for his family. But if the records mentions that then I don't know
 
Kipeci said:
I hadn't heard that, is that buried in the records somewhere? It seems strange that he would let his son inherit the nine bestowments on the one hand and tell him not to usurp with the other.
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You can't inherit nine bestowments. The gesture is a political move on part of the emperor recognizing a person's merit, moral, and "goodness". It is true many who received it became usurper, but the opposite is also true; some also turned it down due to attached infamy.
 
VoidZero said:
You can't inherit nine bestowments. The gesture is a political move on part of the emperor recognizing a person's merit, moral, and "goodness". It is true many who received it became usurper, but the opposite is also true; some also turned it down due to attached infamy.
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I'd heard from a podcast on Chinese history that Cao Pi did inherit the physical nine bestowments from Cao Cao, but the person making it has had to walk back some statements before so they aren't inerring. Whichever way, Cao Cao certainly accepted it.
 
Okay so free time resumes now! 16 days of non stop working ends, 10 days off begins. Tonight I am drinking heavily, so expect updates to resume tomorrow
 
Gaz said:
Am trying, friend
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Need to read the latest chapters but I hope this quest doesn't die. I have been struck by a need to read something about managing territory, not macro like ck2 quests over a nation or planet but a micro where we can personally oversee the betterment of the people. Nothing is more enjoyable than the overseeing of development and the distribution of resources to the infrastructure of an urban environment.

 
Gaz said:
"It is not so much that, I'd give you the world if I could, and more." You reply, gazing into her strong eyes as you smile. "However, I fear no amount of jade or gold under the skies would be enough to properly capture either your martial prowess, or your beauty. Miserly I may be, but just the opportunities to witness your unbeatable strength or gaze upon your unmatched beauty is worth more to me than any gold, not you mention your invaluable counsel."

You watch as Lingqi's face flushes pink, and contort for a moment, before she splurts out a giggle. "P-pft...pah...e-ever the charmer, Bird Boy! I-I mean, you're not wrong, so at least you're getting smarter!" A very warm smile lights up her face, as she pokes you gently on the forehead. "So...um...did you just call me so we could banter, or...? I mean, I m-mean, I'm not saying I dislike this, I was just wondering, Shu, if there was anything else you wanted...um...needed of me...?"
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They really fit well together. Will we decide to ever get a concubine in the future? I don't really see us doing that but it a possibility. I can't wait for when we start a family. I just read Divine Doctor and if that's similar to RL culture in this time period (minus the constant inter-family backstabbing) then I want us have a modern take on raising our kids by spoiling them with genuine love.

@Gaz

I have been thinking about how to build a secure place to keep our kids safe. Tell me if this is possible during this time period. I think it is but it will be expensive and take time. Basically this should be a mix of a standard noble estate and a military fort. The time we are most vulnerable is when we are a sleep so the main family rooms will be in the center of the mansion. However fire are also a risk so stone should be used but that would also increase the price, so should be used sparingly. If a siege was to occur an escape route should be prepared to escape.

So what I came up with is a stone tower, lets say 2-3 floor tall with a cellar. The entrance will not be on the first floor but on the third and be design as a choke point to hold off enemies. The stone should be thick and sturdy to prevent collapse and enemy attacks. The basement of the tower would have a secret tunnel to outside the estate. Surrounding the tower would be the mansion made of wood as standard. From the outside no one should now that the stone core exists.

what do you think? My idea is to have the top floor where the entrance is have a permanent garrison of troops to act as body guards and the second floor having room for servants and retainers. The bottom would be where the main family will sleep. If ever attacked it should be easy to hold to choke point and escape.
 
Ancient Scholar said:


They really fit well together. Will we decide to ever get a concubine in the future? I don't really see us doing that but it a possibility. I can't wait for when we start a family. I just read Divine Doctor and if that's similar to RL culture in this time period (minus the constant inter-family backstabbing) then I want us have a modern take on raising our kids by spoiling them with genuine love.

@Gaz

I have been thinking about how to build a secure place to keep our kids safe. Tell me if this is possible during this time period. I think it is but it will be expensive and take time. Basically this should be a mix of a standard noble estate and a military fort. The time we are most vulnerable is when we are a sleep so the main family rooms will be in the center of the mansion. However fire are also a risk so stone should be used but that would also increase the price, so should be used sparingly. If a siege was to occur an escape route should be prepared to escape.

So what I came up with is a stone tower, lets say 2-3 floor tall with a cellar. The entrance will not be on the first floor but on the third and be design as a choke point to hold off enemies. The stone should be thick and sturdy to prevent collapse and enemy attacks. The basement of the tower would have a secret tunnel to outside the estate. Surrounding the tower would be the mansion made of wood as standard. From the outside no one should now that the stone core exists.

what do you think? My idea is to have the top floor where the entrance is have a permanent garrison of troops to act as body guards and the second floor having room for servants and retainers. The bottom would be where the main family will sleep. If ever attacked it should be easy to hold to choke point and escape.
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I don't know about that. Two to three stories of stone tower is fairly expensive, and even if the stone itself is not really susceptible to fire damage it could easily be the case that the mortar holding it together or the rest of the mansion around it being damaged in a fire and shifting could topple the tower in. Plus if we end up being attacked at our family estate, the current seat of our power then there's quite likely a large number of hostile folks in the vicinity- if they find the escape tunnel (an expensive construct, which becomes more so costly and hard to keep hidden if we have laborers working on it further and further out) then that's a direct line to our innermost sanctums.

Also I think having our family live sequestered from the public in what amounts to a heavily guarded confined cellar could be bad for their mental health.
 
Kipeci said:
I don't know about that. Two to three stories of stone tower is fairly expensive, and even if the stone itself is not really susceptible to fire damage it could easily be the case that the mortar holding it together or the rest of the mansion around it being damaged in a fire and shifting could topple the tower in. Plus if we end up being attacked at our family estate, the current seat of our power then there's quite likely a large number of hostile folks in the vicinity- if they find the escape tunnel (an expensive construct, which becomes more so costly and hard to keep hidden if we have laborers working on it further and further out) then that's a direct line to our innermost sanctums.

Also I think having our family live sequestered from the public in what amounts to a heavily guarded confined cellar could be bad for their mental health.
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I see. I don't think the tower would collapse, since it's one house but switching to stone in the center. Your right in that this basically having a built in bunker and be fairly expensive. I don't think the part about mental health is valid since it's not like they would forced to stay there. It's just a secure bedroom, think of a room inside of a castle just not having windows. Would having a layer of stone between walls provide any protection from fire? At the very least it will make the building stronger.



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I thought of this idea as a way to minimize weak points but if it's impractical then we might have to give up on it. Instead we will have to rely on placing covert guards on everyone of importance, Family and Retainers.
 
veekie said:
Nope!
Traps heat, makes the fire burn hotter if the fire gets in, though it helps keep fire from getting across by burning THROUGH the wall, if theres wooden openings its actively a detriment, if a fire starts inside the building, the place is a crucible.
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I see. I hope in the future we will have some actions that would add a bonus to defense rolls and anti-assassination rolls. The more famous we get the more of a target we become.
 
So I have been reading some chinese manwha, and if any of it is accurate then consorts and concubines just love using poisons and scheme's to eliminate rivals. I just find the idea of Lingqi dealing with the problems in those stories hilarious because I don;t see her doing anything other then marching up to the troublemaker and taking their head. I want us to take our power couple all the way to empress if we can.
 
Ancient Scholar said:
I see. I hope in the future we will have some actions that would add a bonus to defense rolls and anti-assassination rolls. The more famous we get the more of a target we become.
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The countermeasures are well known, the question is whether you could afford it or could motivate people to keep it.
Space your buildings out, keep cisterns and wells at the center of every urban zone, keep your roads wide and clear, keep the alleys free of trash and make sure plants grow where they're supposed to instead of up walls and stuff.

Each individually small costs added to literally every development option.
Chinese cities are actually fairly safe from fire, as they're built on a grid, with fire protection from nomad raiders as an early design factor.
Killing fields between walls also coincidentally protect from fire spreading.
Hell, if you read the Feng Shui construction guidelines, good geomancy also coincidentally is well designed to resist assault and fire hazard, as having a source of open, running water is considered auspicious(Probably because everyone else got their shit burned down at some point heh).

Perks of early urbanization, people got used to these measures before they got used to building wherever they liked.
 
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