[X] Thank him for his praise of us but inform him that we must regrettably turn him down.
-[X] Explain that with the current state of affairs and our own youthful age, we do not feel comfortable with marriage at this time.
-[X] Admit that we already have someone that we have fallen in love with, and it would not be fair to his daughter to make her come in second place in our heart when she deserves someone who will love her first and foremost.
-[X] If pressed on the above point, explain that we have already promised to marry the girl we love in the future, and that we won't break our word to her, thus Ge Maiyu would have to be second wife if we married her... she deserves better than to be the second wife in a minor family.
-[X] Lastly, thank him again for his extremely generous offer towards one so unworthy as us, but with great apologies we must respectfully decline is offer

Yeah Imma vote for this after all. Here's hoping this one works out @ElleonXan.
 
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[X] Thank him for his praise of us but inform him that we must regrettably turn him down.
-[X] Explain that with the current state of affairs and our own youthful age, we do not feel comfortable with marriage at this time.
-[X] Admit that we already have someone that we have fallen in love with, and it would not be fair to his daughter to make her come in second place in our heart when she deserves someone who will love her first and foremost.
-[X] If pressed on the above point, explain that we have already promised to marry the girl we love in the future, and that we won't break our word to her, thus Ge Maiyu would have to be second wife if we married her... she deserves better than to be the second wife in a minor family.
-[X] Lastly, thank him again for his extremely generous offer towards one so unworthy as us, but with great apologies we must respectfully decline is offer
 
I knew I should have stopped making updates for a week or so, RIP my chance to have Page 420 on 4/20. My dreams are ruined.
 
Uh is this fine? I may be the first one to vote for it, but I'm not the one who made the plan.
It is all cool. IIRC, voting by name reads to the tally like he's voting the same as you, so for all intents and purposes he is also voting the same option... though you have to be careful voting this way, as if the person you voted for changes their vote without you knowing, you might end up voting for a different option than you think you are.
 
Hey, @Gaz would it be possible for us to accept like an engagement, but stipulate that we wait until the bandits are fully dealt with before actually having the marriage, at the least? I'm wondering if it's possible to talk with Lingqi, and try and swing the order around, so it looks more like we will marry Maiyu "out of love", and Lingqi "out of politics", if we could be convincing enough and work the "(adopted) granddaughter of Inspector Ding" angle.
 
[X]Feel honored that he thinks we are worthy of the hand of his granddaughter.
-[X]Inform him that at the moment you do not want to marry, because of the bandit threat. You know what it was like to lose your father in battle and don´t want someone you treasure to experience the same thing.
-[X]Discreetly inform him that you owe a favour to certain powerful indiviual for the reomoval of Leng Jun and do not want to drag allies into this arrangement.
-[X]Inform him that the support you got may involve your hand being promised to someone else. Meaning the spot of first wife may be taken but you are open to more marriages.
 
Hey, @Gaz would it be possible for us to accept like an engagement, but stipulate that we wait until the bandits are fully dealt with before actually having the marriage, at the least? I'm wondering if it's possible to talk with Lingqi, and try and swing the order around, so it looks more like we will marry Maiyu "out of love", and Lingqi "out of politics", if we could be convincing enough and work the "(adopted) granddaughter of Inspector Ding" angle.

You can certainly try, but you don't really have the status or wealth needed yet to have multiple consorts, so it would be pretty ambitious. You would also have to negotiate with Lingqi regarding this.
 
@Gaz, will the votes from before you declared the Moratorium over be counted, or do those people need to vote again?

I didn't bother putting up a threadmark or anything sicne there were so many votes before the end of the moratorium - they will all be tallied. People are of course free to change or amend their votes, as ever.
Adhoc vote count started by Gaz on Apr 12, 2019 at 11:48 AM, finished with 10488 posts and 17 votes.

  • [X]Feel honored that he thinks we are worthy of the hand of his granddaughter.
    -[X]Inform him that at the moment you do not want to marry, because of the bandit threat. You know what it was like to lose your father in battle and don´t want someone you treasure to experience the same thing.
    -[X]Discreetly inform him that you owe a favour to certain powerful indiviual for the reomoval of Leng Jun and do not want to drag allies into this arrangement.
    -[X]Inform him that the support you got may involve your hand being promised to someone else. Meaning the spot of first wife may be taken but you are open to more marriages.
    [X] Thank him, but tell him you have already promised to marry another.
    [X] Thank him for his praise of us but inform him that we must regrettably turn him down.
    -[X] Explain that with the current state of affairs and our own youthful age, we do not feel comfortable with marriage at this time.
    -[X] Admit that we already have someone that we have fallen in love with, and it would not be fair to his daughter to make her come in second place in our heart when she deserves someone who will love her first and foremost.
    -[X] If pressed on the above point, explain that we have already promised to marry the girl we love in the future, and that we won't break our word to her, thus Ge Maiyu would have to be second wife if we married her... she deserves better than to be the second wife in a minor family.
    -[X] Lastly, thank him again for his extremely generous offer towards one so unworthy as us, but with great apologies we must respectfully decline is offer
 
[X] Thank Ge Lang for this, but tell him that you need more time to think this over. Stall this for as long as you can get away with.
 
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Wait isn't one of Dong Zhuo's man working for Leng Jun's replacement in Xinshen? Fucking hell that guy can easily leak to Papa Dong that Liang Shu is bullshitting about him and Ding Yuan to avoid offending Ge Liang.

Like I'm really starting to think the 'white lie' part of the winning plan is dangerous for our future.

Edit: Also who's to say Ge Liang might not want to join with the powerful men who helps Liang Shu? He could certainly scurry around for info which important people we met at the winter tournament.
 
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[X] Thank him for his praise of us but inform him that we must regrettably turn him down.
-[X] Explain that with the current state of affairs and our own youthful age, we do not feel comfortable with marriage at this time.
-[X] Admit that we already have someone that we have fallen in love with, and it would not be fair to his daughter to make her come in second place in our heart when she deserves someone who will love her first and foremost.
-[X] If pressed on the above point, explain that we have already promised to marry the girl we love in the future, and that we won't break our word to her, thus Ge Maiyu would have to be second wife if we married her... she deserves better than to be the second wife in a minor family.
-[X] Lastly, thank him again for his extremely generous offer towards one so unworthy as us, but with great apologies we must respectfully decline is offer
 
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Question, @Gaz, is it supposed to be Fenshan or Fanshen? Because you seem to go back and forth on that a lot.

Fenshan, or 汾山. I make a lot of typos, most are caught but I do miss a bunch. Not sure why that one in particular always gets me. I legit had to double check my notes to see which Chinese characters I used to confirm.

EDIT: I ironically typo'd it as Fanshen when writing this, and had to go back to amend it. Why is Fenshan so hard for me to type?!
 
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The moratorium was added by an edit if you opened a tab with the update it would not have been added till you refreshed it if you clicked on it before the edit was made. Furthermore a moratorium if we wanted implies that people would call for it before it would be applied. One person asked for one and other questers posted. Gaz did not outright said he would add one but put it under a condition of questers wanting it. Therefore I think it is reasonable for other questers to think he would not apply one till he posted it, because again only one person asked for it. I honestly don´t know why you need me to elaborate this for you or why it bothers you.


-[]Discreetly inform him that you owe a favour to certain powerful indiviual for the removal of Leng Jun and do not want to drag allies into this arrangement. (Shift blame)
-[]Inform him that at the moment you do not want to marry, because of the bandit threat. You know what it was like to lose your father in battle and don´t want someone you treasure to experience the same thing. (Stall)
-[]Inform him that the support you got may involve your hand being promised to someone else. Meaning the spot of first wife may be taken but you are open to more marriages. (shift blame + counteroffer)

This is what I wrote. I am not outright stating names. Like I have already said my write-in uses a three ponged approach of stall, shift blame and counteroffer. The nice things about it is that Shu is not outright lying but using implications to make Ge Lang believe he has made a deal that would need him to maybe marry someone. The best lies are always founded in truth. Shu is not outright stating he has to marry someone but there is the high probability his hand is owed in response to support he got. While yours essentially tells everyone that we will marry Linqui even though we have asked neither Lü Bu or Ding Yuan about it. Pot meeting kettle, mate.

The first statement does not need an explanation and is simple a motivation why a marriage right now would be bad out of Shu´s perspective. I don´t think anyone thinks this is a lie.

The second statement once again is not a lie. We owe Dong a favour and don´t know what will be asked of us and Jia Xu´s words give the whole transaction a bitter aftertaste making it possible for Shu to be unhappy about the whole situation. He does not know what Dong wants from him only that he is okay with murder of an official and now has leverage over him. No lie there or even just an implication of a lie.

The third and last statement is the ambigious one and is probably what most consider a lie. Shu of course does not know if something like that will happen but it is possible making it not an outright lie in my mind. So do I think there will be repercussions about it? No I don´t. If the roll fails it does not matter which option gets chosen because all would fail if they are rejection. The borrowing of authority is not that big a deal as you make it out. First this offer was made in private and not out in the open , meaning any rejection would not be talked about in the open. It is important to safe face in such circumstances and a prideful man like Ge Lang would not proclaim something like that loudly to his friends and associates. Ding Yuan is a by the book guy and did not even take statements from merchants and people from Xinshen about the state there seriuosly till someone (Shu) told him they were true. Why would such a guy immediately take action if he would hear a weird rumour about his adoptive grandaughter without waiting for an explanation? It is not like her honor would be harmed just a rumour about him getting one over an old clan head. You try to paint a worst case scenario with massive repercussions without any real evidence in the text that the characters will act the way you said. Why would a prideful old clan head drink himself into stupor and rage against the Inspector? Something like that is absolutely unbecoming of a noble clan head.

If Ge Lang would take the statement for being about Dong there is only one real way it could come to his ears and that is through Jia Xu. He would simply add it to the list of favours Shu owes him. I think such an option is extremely unlikely but it is better than losing support right now. Dong is a general of the Han and has an enormous rank and Ge Lang only knows what Ge Maiyu told him. Why would he dig into these mattes? If Lang talked to his granddaughter he knows we would owe this general a favour and rumours about Leng Jun being dead should have already come to his ears. He talked with the new prefect before us so he should be aware of it. Ge Lang is a politically astute clan head he gets the exchange of favours and how if you are beholden to more important people sometimes your hands are bound. In such matters you only involve yourself if you have no other way.


Last I would like to say that you stated all these points without addressing any point I made against your write-in. You try to paint a worst case so here is mine for you. Lü Bu hears about your marriage to his daughter and comes knocking and Ding Yuan is like you said angry about you marrying his granddaughter without any word from him (I only state the possibilty of a marriage you outright state there is one). Ge Lang is angry that you rejected his great offer and lied to his face about true love. He can recognize a political marriage if he sees one. Such support from the Inspector is not for free...do I need to go on? I do not like to use such arguments because I consider them flawed by itself but because you did not address one point I made maybe you will respond to that.
 
Also, thinking about it, "plan lie our butt off to avoid temporary discomfort" also has another point of failure: Ge Maiyu herself. She definitely knows that the whole "marry to get rid of the former prefect" lie is a load of BS. Face it, we straight up told Ge Maiyu that it would only take a "minor favor" to Dong Zhuo to get rid of him, since the Big Dong is already inclined to do so. Now, I don't think even Liang Shu would be humble enough to consider his marriage (and thus the allegiance of our clan) as a minor favor.

Hell, she might have already told her father what we said, in which case we don't need to wait for the point of failure, as we'll be caught out in our lie immediately as we utter it.
 
You can pretty much assume the only reason Ge Lang even knows that you used a favour to get Leng Jun removed was because his granddaughter told him. The reason she knows is because you were in the same room as her when you made your plan, and you told her directly.
 
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[X] Thank him, but tell him you have already promised to marry another.

I'd rather not try to be overly clever with a vote that can backfire so telling the simple, honest truth seems like the better decision to me.
 
Also, thinking about it, "plan lie our butt off to avoid temporary discomfort" also has another point of failure: Ge Maiyu herself. She definitely knows that the whole "marry to get rid of the former prefect" lie is a load of BS. Face it, we straight up told Ge Maiyu that it would only take a "minor favor" to Dong Zhuo to get rid of him, since the Big Dong is already inclined to do so. Now, I don't think even Liang Shu would be humble enough to consider his marriage (and thus the allegiance of our clan) as a minor favor.

Hell, she might have already told her father what we said, in which case we don't need to wait for the point of failure, as we'll be caught out in our lie immediately as we utter it.

Remember the nice talk we had with Jia Xu about Leng Jun. I think neither Shu or Dong considers it only a minor favour any longer. Furthermore Ge Maiyu only knows what we told her and it is easily played of as trying to impress a friend by making oneself more important than one truly is.

Wait isn't one of Dong Zhuo's man working for Leng Jun's replacement in Xinshen? Fucking hell that guy can easily leak to Papa Dong that Liang Shu is bullshitting about him and Ding Yuan to avoid offending Ge Liang.

Like I'm really starting to think the 'white lie' part of the winning plan is dangerous for our future.

Edit: Also who's to say Ge Liang might not want to join with the powerful men who helps Liang Shu? He could certainly scurry around for info which important people we met at the winter tournament.

First point why would Ge Lang talk about it. This is a private talke between two clan heads not n open discussion in the middle of Xinshen. Next Jia Xu already left so he cannot overhear it and it is really weird how you assume that Ge Lang will automatically assume our connection is Dong even though he is clearly meant in the second statement not third. Last but not least explain to me how "true love" could possibly be considered a better pitch in such a discussion. This is not about feelings but a business proposal from a clan head. Yes this does sound bad but at that time marriages were often made for exactly that reason. Ge Lang makes his whole pitch more in line of a business proposal instead of talking how in love Maiyu is with Shu. The other write-in and the honest answer do not address this issue or outright ignore it. Such an approach is incredibly naive and not in line with Shu ,who was okay with torture, political deals and killing prisoners.
Any repercussion you people see that would apply to my write-in by the hand of Bu or Ding would also apply to the other ,because it outright states Shu marries someone else. Why only my write in would name Linqui baffles me even though I only state a probability instead of a certainty.
 
Oh, I didn't notice plan Icefyre, just the other write in plan that does feel like the players are trying to be overly clever.

[X] Plan Icefyre
 
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