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Time of the Gods: Into the Amber Age

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Van Ropen said:
@veekie - are all of those inspirations necessary for income, or could we use some of that DE for ritual refinement?
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Income VE/Harvest Moon Growth generation

The thing with doing no Water/Frost actions is that our Vehemence income is going to suck balls, more or less, considering we often make it up to full by them alone(and then whoops Glut). Making it up with quantity rather than quality

And also Avatar actions are very tight due to spending 27 Sustenance on Custom God baby and needing to avoid dropping below 10 Sustenance due to not doing scary Water things.
Didn't even have room for the usual "Hi everyone, lets coordinate our blessings" or hovering over our babies that I usually put in.
Powerofmind said:
It can still do those things, they're just not especially likely unless you've already accidentally made too much progress in that direction.
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Basically, don't double down too hard until we dig our way out of at least 4/5 of the Dooms we Saw.

So that we don't pull an Odin and cause Ragnarok by trying to divination our way to avoid Ragnarok
 
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@veekie I have two questions. One, have you considered swapping out a point of shrine to either be absolutely sure the baby starts with faith, or to provide a way for it to bless and sustain itself slightly with influence?

The second question is is there any chance I can talk you around to dumping a couple inspirations for a research on an ocean ritual? I know you arent a huge fan of the water, but we get a water traits as a free innate trait. We can use it for something not that harmful, and if we start prepping the ritual now we can perform it if we see the fire spirit starting to ascend.
 
A Fancy Spawn Club proposal:
Shining Trees!
[] Change your Divine Form - Take on the appearance of a mortal creature or strange elemental manifestation to camouflage yourself, or speak directly to mortals. Costs: 5 Sustenance
-[] Take a shape inspired by the neighboring Light spirit, becoming like the shining sun where your true form is like the moon
[] Sire a Divine Creature, using [the largest kind of tree we know of (preferably deciduous for looks)] as a base
-[] Contribute <4X5> unspent Legend for each sire in the litter, <10> Ambrosia for Attributes of the litter, and <18> sustenance for random or specific traits of the litter
-[] Sire 4 trees, one in each main village of the Pantheon
-[] Grant them 5 Influence, 3 Faith, and 2 Avatar
-[] Give them the following Traits: EA-Sky, EM-Sun

I'm not sure this would work out like I hope, but I like the idea of having great shining trees in our villages during the Long Night. Alternatively, we could make Moon trees much more easily, since we have better Traits for that, but I don't like that as much.

Edit: adjusted to make it more likely to succeed.
 
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mc2rpg said:
@veekie I have two questions. One, have you considered swapping out a point of shrine to either be absolutely sure the baby starts with faith, or to provide a way for it to bless and sustain itself slightly with influence?
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Yes. Influence though. I'm not sure we can buy Faith for the baby due to being Fear ourselves, but I'll shift it to grant 1 Influence.
mc2rpg said:
The second question is is there any chance I can talk you around to dumping a couple inspirations for a research on an ocean ritual? I know you arent a huge fan of the water, but we get a water traits as a free innate trait. We can use it for something not that harmful, and if we start prepping the ritual now we can perform it if we see the fire spirit starting to ascend.
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It's not the DE, it's the sustenance. I don't even have the sustenance for researching Inscrutable One(so we don't even need the ritual, just cycle traits through the buffer) leftover.

Custom babies are expensive.
 
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@Powerofmind I know they're not meant or supposed to, but can Divine Creatures Ascend to Spirit/Godhood?

Also, would my shining tree proposal actually get us shining trees?
 
veekie said:
Commune Actions:
-[X] Despise Trait - You do not like how the mortals view you and your powers. Remind them what you truly represent and how you truly are! Costs: (Must reserve no destructive acts associated with the forgotten trait) x3
--[X] Spirit of Death
--[X] Elemental Affinity - Cold
--[X] Elemental Affinity - Frost
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No Bad veekie

seriously veekie, what are you thinking?
we need at least two of them to combat the sun, which we need to do soon before he ascends and we are all fucked, dispersing our major combat traits against him is not the way to ensure our continued survival,

I understand that you wish to avoid the doom vision that makes us into the bringer of the White Cold however railroading us into the other doom visions is not the way to do it

Also trying to disperse SoD is most likely a wasted effort since we will probably kill somebody regardless of what we do and thus will most likely fail to do anyway

So just disperse stars or something else

veekie said:
-[X] Leave a shrine to ruin.
--[X] Gaerig's Fishing Village Shrine
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veekie that is a needlessy risky action just taken before all the doom that will soon happen, can't we wait with it until we avoided the looming sword of damocles that now ha

veekie said:
--[X] Dedicate Gemmed Figurines (1 Okay, 1 Moderate, 1 Good) to improving the temple
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we also are already at out temple cap, we can't improve it any further at the moment
Powerofmind said:
Keshketev's Caldera (T 3/3) - Wing of Water
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veekie said:
---[X] 9 Sustenance for Aspect of the Snowy Owl
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pretty sure we can't decide/do that just by taking up the form of an owl, however that's for @Powerofmind to decide

veekie said:
---[X] Avatar 5
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Have you given a thought to how she/he gets the ambrosia to sustain the avatar when she/he will only have Fear/Faith 1?

A more sustainable build would be

---[X] Faith 3
---[X] Shrine 4
---[X] Avatar 4
 
mc2rpg said:
Wouldn't we want the trees to blot out the sun, thus preventing it from hassling us? I thought that was the point of sky. Let it do shenanigans with clouds to help us out.
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Well, I'd be in favor of any magic Influence-based trees, but this proposal was specifically meant to produce trees that give light during the Long Night.
 
veekie said:
It's not the DE, it's the sustenance. I don't even have the sustenance for researching Inscrutable One(so we don't even need the ritual, just cycle traits through the buffer) leftover.

Custom babies are expensive.
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Could we only despise death to provide the sustenance and despise cold and maybe frost later on? This way we would have a base to work off of later. We aren't going to glut this turn after all, the plan isn't murderous at all. If it was the death despising would probably fail after all.
 
mc2rpg said:
Wouldn't we want the trees to blot out the sun, thus preventing it from hassling us? I thought that was the point of sky. Let it do shenanigans with clouds to help us out.
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Sorry to double quote-post (is that a thing?), but my suggestions doesn't have anything to do with the current future crises. It's just something frivolous I thought of recently. That may have caused the confusion.
What's the point of surviving our doom visions if we can't do silly things?
 
mc2rpg said:
Could we only despise death to provide the sustenance and despise cold and maybe frost later on? This way we would have a base to work off of later. We aren't going to glut this turn after all, the plan isn't murderous at all. If it was the death despising would probably fail after all.
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Never assume a plan won't glut. All it takes is a failed roll in the right place, after all.
 
mc2rpg said:
@veekie I have two questions. One, have you considered swapping out a point of shrine to either be absolutely sure the baby starts with faith, or to provide a way for it to bless and sustain itself slightly with influence?

The second question is is there any chance I can talk you around to dumping a couple inspirations for a research on an ocean ritual? I know you arent a huge fan of the water, but we get a water traits as a free innate trait. We can use it for something not that harmful, and if we start prepping the ritual now we can perform it if we see the fire spirit starting to ascend.
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*pouts*
What's wrong with my baby?
 
sidestory said:
No Bad veekie

seriously veekie, what are you thinking?
we need at least two of them to combat the sun, which we need to do soon before he ascends and we are all fucked, dispersing our major combat traits against him is not the way to ensure our continued survival,
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Or we change angle entirely. This is not an immediate conflict. The vision is clear about it, their pantheon will want us to help when it happens.


The immediate threat is the Bloody Man, who shows up in two independent visions murdering Saiga.
For now we avoid meeting him, and delegate the conflict to someone else. Ideally Attrouska once we bless her population back to life, as she's also Fire/Light and not vulnerable, but nearly anyone else would have a good show.
sidestory said:
Also trying to disperse SoD is most likely a wasted effort since we will probably kill somebody regardless of what we do and thus will most likely fail to do anyway
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Not true when the whole turn is:
-Explore
-Non-damaging Darken
-Inspires
-Yellow Moon

It's got zero damaging actions there, so we're unlikely to kill enough people on purpose to count.
sidestory said:
veekie that is a needlessy risky action just taken before all the doom that will soon happen, can't we wait with it until we avoided the looming sword of damocles that now ha
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It's not, it's moving the Wonder, because the Wonder is currently useless. Our Divine Realm provides a better bonus.
sidestory said:
we also are already at out temple cap, we can't improve it any further at the moment
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Oh that is a good catch, I'll adjust that to just construct the facilities
sidestory said:
pretty sure we can't decide/do that just by taking up the form of an owl, however that's for @Powerofmind to decide
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We can. This was confirmed previously. Shapeshift + 9 Sustenance trait push allows us to breed animal and elemental traits we don't have into the baby.
sidestory said:
Have you given a thought to how she/he gets the ambrosia to sustain the avatar when she/he will only have Fear/Faith 1?
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You forget that Saiga will be paying for the balance of the traits. He won't be Faith 1.
Though it's not really that difficult with a high Shrine score, since it acts as a multiplier for Rite income.
 
Romv said:
Veekie's baby is stronger and more focused as I see it.
Could you explain what your baby will do? I'm still undecided.
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Rain Spirit. Our big problem was that we disn't have enough Water Traits, to fight him off. There we have another Water God to help us out immediately nad something we can push toward fertility afterwards. But fine
mc2rpg said:
Well I like your baby quite a bit actually, but I feel like it is solving the part of the vision that we can handle ourselves without much trouble by getting ocean through ritual. Meanwhile veekie's handles the problem that we will have a harder time dealing with, hubby being squished.
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If both of you dislike it that much, I have 2 traits I can specify and 11 Ambrosia to put into attributes.

If we're really that worried about Bloodied Man than an Idea could be to add in Death and Premonition and go Avatar 8 Shrine 3.

Full attack Spirit with inevitability.

Heck afterwards we could also push it towards Afterlife and have one less thing to worry about.

Would that be sufficient?
 
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You know, one thing we also could do is to Sire Divine Creatures with Rashelki. That way, they would automatically become Melee Monsters and we could get additional God Tier fighters at once.

It would cost us some Legend, though, and wouldn't be as good for blessing afterwards.
 
Sivantic said:
If we're really that worried about Bloodied Man than an Idea could be to add in Death and Premonition and go Avatar 8 Shrine 3.

Full attack Spirit with inevitability.
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I was contemplating something like this as well. It would be interesting to see if the child could work out a combat specific trait out of the combination. My main concern about it would be tilting it too much towards fear and Avatar sustainability. Veekie's is just a really elegant trait combo for solving our bloody problem.

I honestly think that the way to make a murder spirit and fit it into your plan would be to do owl and sky from veekie, dump humanity, and swap a point from avatar to faith. It would cost the right amount of sustenance for your plan, and Saiga might end up putting in aspect of humanity on his own anyways.


veekie said:
Not true when the whole turn is:
-Explore
-Non-damaging Darken
-Inspires
-Yellow Moon

It's got zero damaging actions there, so we're unlikely to kill enough people on purpose to count.
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Keeping this in mind why can't we just despise death? Then we only burn .5 sustenance and have one freed up. We can start the longer term project a turn earlier so we can see a bit of what we are getting into and then dump cold and frost the turn after.


Omegahugger said:
You know, one thing we also could do is to Sire Divine Creatures with Rashelki. That way, they would automatically become Melee Monsters and we could get additional God Tier fighters at once.
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Unfortunately they would have the instincts of a blood drinker and probably ravage our population. If Rashelki was ascended or some degree of tame I would be less concerned about this blowing up in our face.
 
mc2rpg said:
Keeping this in mind why can't we just despise death? Then we only burn .5 sustenance and have one freed up. We can start the longer term project a turn earlier so we can see a bit of what we are getting into and then dump cold and frost the turn after.
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Hmm, two more voices in support and I'll do it. We're unlikely to glut this turn, so it's...fine?
 
mc2rpg said:
I was contemplating something like this as well. It would be interesting to see if the child could work out a combat specific trait out of the combination. My main concern about it would be tilting it too much towards fear and Avatar sustainability. Veekie's is just a really elegant trait combo for solving our bloody problem.

I honestly think that the way to make a murder spirit and fit it into your plan would be to do owl and sky from veekie, dump humanity, and swap a point from avatar to faith. It would cost the right amount of sustenance for your plan, and Saiga might end up putting in aspect of humanity on his own anyways.
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The thing is that that requires Shapeshifting(5 Sustenance) I can't really put in for Owl. However Murder does give +3 Melee and has strong bonus on attacking Spirits. Both Premonition and Murder give it a total fo 5 Omen Reading that if you recall, helped us destroy the crone the first time. It also gives it the theme of inevitable Death. But sure I could switch one point of avatar to faith.

Or do suggest something else?
 
Sivantic said:
The thing is that that requires Shapeshifting(5 Sustenance) I can't really put in for Owl. However Murder does give +3 Melee and has strong bonus on attacking Spirits. Both Premonition and Murder give it a total fo 5 Omen Reading that if you recall, helped us destroy the crone the first time. It also gives it the theme of inevitable Death. But sure I could switch one point of avatar to faith.

Or do suggest something else?
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Ah yes I had not considered the shapeshifting cost. Fair point. Ok in that case I would say yes for spirit of death and premonitions. I would just mess with the attributes a bit so that it would be 6 avatar, 3 shrine, 1 faith, and 1 influence. This way just in case Saiga has no ambrosia to kick in the kid can bless people rather than be purely physical impressive for DE. He would still pop out with at least 6 hp and a strong bonus if the bloodied man is a spirit, and thus should be pretty good for combat without removing his ability to churn.

Honestly though I would lean most towards sticking with a baby you like and think will help. Unless a bunch of people say it is a deal breaker I guess.
 
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Romv said:
@Powerofmind I know they're not meant or supposed to, but can Divine Creatures Ascend to Spirit/Godhood?

Also, would my shining tree proposal actually get us shining trees?
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Can't focus Sun, it's too abstract of a form component to 'fake it' with a form shift. You could do a classical affinity at best.
sidestory said:
pretty sure we can't decide/do that just by taking up the form of an owl, however that's for @Powerofmind to decide
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You actually can. Aspects are the easiest, but there's a few spirit/avatar types you can also pass on.
veekie said:
The immediate threat is the Bloody Man, who shows up in two independent visions murdering Saiga.
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And the Silver Crescent. It's alluded to in both the Seski vision and the Gaelte vision.
Omegahugger said:
You know, one thing we also could do is to Sire Divine Creatures with Rashelki. That way, they would automatically become Melee Monsters and we could get additional God Tier fighters at once.

It would cost us some Legend, though, and wouldn't be as good for blessing afterwards.
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Can't Divine Creature using broods or bloodlines unless they're disseminated.
 
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