Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
Yes.
It doesn't reduce VE you create, it just straight damages growth.
It would if you lucked into a weird booster.
Time of the Gods: Into the Amber Age
- Thread starter Powerofmind
- Start date
- Original
It doesn't reduce VE you create, it just straight damages growth.
It would if you lucked into a weird booster.
- Location
- Hell
It damages growth, so pretty necessary actually.
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
As for my plan...
[X] Plan Hopefully Stop Breaking Things
-[X] Bless Petitioner for Sacrifices [Total Cost 41 DE]
--[X] Expend 36 DE on petitioners for Astrology
--[X] Expend 5 DE on petitioners for Perform (Sing)
-[X] Bless Petitioner for Growth [Total Cost 35 DE]
--[X] Expend 35 DE on petitioners for Survival
-[X] Inspire Petitioner [Total Cost 80 DE]
--[X] Survival x8
--[X] Astrology x8
-[X] Direct Fish**[Total Cost 18 DE]
--[X] Drive Fish Away.
---[X] Reserve for punishment
-[X] Darken**[Total Cost 13 DE]
--[X] In your territory
-[X] Yellow Moon* [Total Cost 35 DE]
--[X] In your territory
-[X] Form Divine Realm [Total Cost 20 DE, 4 Ambrosia]
--[X] Use 20 DE, 4 Ambrosia
-[X] Reserve 1 Ambrosia for Kesh, as per our deal
Darken is there to get a handful of VE, so we can fearbuy a small thing. With our current bonuses, we have an 87% chance of 2 successes, so call it 3+ VE, which should be enough for a small thing but nothing big. Only gets us ~4+ DE, though (Speaking of, @Powerofmind the DE/VE rate this turn should be 1.2, not 1, right? 4*(12 + 2*2 - 13)/10 = 4*3/10 = 1.2.). Fish is for punishment, which i think means it doesn't do anything either way? I'll have to double check, but not including it hurts growth so thats a no-go.
Looking at last turn, inspires get full Skill*2 bonus, and get 3 DE and 0.25 growth per success. With 10 Survival and 15 Astrology, we can expect ~2.5 success average for survival and ~3 successes average for astrology, for a total of 165 DE return, and with 20 rolls that should be a fairly confident guess (also like 18ish growth return)
Since i'm focusing on inspires, not enough blessings to justify a yellow moon. Instead, astrology sacrifices, since those get 1.4x return pretty reliably, sing sacrifices which should get 1.2x return but mostly are there for the off chance we get a nat 100 on them, and to put singing on the fearbuy list, since we need that for domination, and 40 survival growth blessings since thats our best skill for growth. should get about 1.1x return, but even at 1x return we should be good.
8 DE (Rites) + 4 DE (Darken) + 132 DE (Inspires) + 50.4 DE (Astrology Sacrifices) + 14 (Sing Sacrifices) + 38.5 (Survival Growth) = 246.9, enough to get to cap and a little bit more. Since i try to use pretty safe guesses, we should get a bit higher than that, especially if yellow moon rolls high.
Costs: 51 + 40 + 100 + 18 + 13 + 20 = 242 DE, and 4 + 1 = 5 Ambrosia
Edit: veekie pointed out that yellow moon should bless our allies growth, so i'm gonna add that in. It gives 0.25 Successes to blessings (but not inspires) and 25% higher growth (from at least blessings and inspires) for each success, so i'll be doing assumptions with the 87% chance of 2 successes. That doesn't do much for the blessings DE return, though. +10 doesn't make 8 degrees of success likely enough for my taste. It means that with exactly average rolls, we'd have 4 degrees of success for astrology, but i like to base my guesses on about 10->10.5 average rolls. It does make me confident in giving 3 degrees of success to both sing sacrifices and survival growth, for 1.4x and 1.1x return respectively.
[X] Plan Hopefully Stop Breaking Things
-[X] Bless Petitioner for Sacrifices [Total Cost 41 DE]
--[X] Expend 36 DE on petitioners for Astrology
--[X] Expend 5 DE on petitioners for Perform (Sing)
-[X] Bless Petitioner for Growth [Total Cost 35 DE]
--[X] Expend 35 DE on petitioners for Survival
-[X] Inspire Petitioner [Total Cost 80 DE]
--[X] Survival x8
--[X] Astrology x8
-[X] Direct Fish**[Total Cost 18 DE]
--[X] Drive Fish Away.
---[X] Reserve for punishment
-[X] Darken**[Total Cost 13 DE]
--[X] In your territory
-[X] Yellow Moon* [Total Cost 35 DE]
--[X] In your territory
-[X] Form Divine Realm [Total Cost 20 DE, 4 Ambrosia]
--[X] Use 20 DE, 4 Ambrosia
-[X] Reserve 1 Ambrosia for Kesh, as per our deal
Darken is there to get a handful of VE, so we can fearbuy a small thing. With our current bonuses, we have an 87% chance of 2 successes, so call it 3+ VE, which should be enough for a small thing but nothing big. Only gets us ~4+ DE, though (Speaking of, @Powerofmind the DE/VE rate this turn should be 1.2, not 1, right? 4*(12 + 2*2 - 13)/10 = 4*3/10 = 1.2.). Fish is for punishment, which i think means it doesn't do anything either way? I'll have to double check, but not including it hurts growth so thats a no-go.
Looking at last turn, inspires get full Skill*2 bonus, and get 3 DE and 0.25 growth per success. With 10 Survival and 15 Astrology, we can expect ~2.5 success average for survival and ~3 successes average for astrology, for a total of 165 DE return, and with 20 rolls that should be a fairly confident guess (also like 18ish growth return)
Since i'm focusing on inspires, not enough blessings to justify a yellow moon. Instead, astrology sacrifices, since those get 1.4x return pretty reliably, sing sacrifices which should get 1.2x return but mostly are there for the off chance we get a nat 100 on them, and to put singing on the fearbuy list, since we need that for domination, and 40 survival growth blessings since thats our best skill for growth. should get about 1.1x return, but even at 1x return we should be good.
8 DE (Rites) + 4 DE (Darken) + 132 DE (Inspires) + 50.4 DE (Astrology Sacrifices) + 14 (Sing Sacrifices) + 38.5 (Survival Growth) = 246.9, enough to get to cap and a little bit more. Since i try to use pretty safe guesses, we should get a bit higher than that, especially if yellow moon rolls high.
Costs: 51 + 40 + 100 + 18 + 13 + 20 = 242 DE, and 4 + 1 = 5 Ambrosia
Edit: veekie pointed out that yellow moon should bless our allies growth, so i'm gonna add that in. It gives 0.25 Successes to blessings (but not inspires) and 25% higher growth (from at least blessings and inspires) for each success, so i'll be doing assumptions with the 87% chance of 2 successes. That doesn't do much for the blessings DE return, though. +10 doesn't make 8 degrees of success likely enough for my taste. It means that with exactly average rolls, we'd have 4 degrees of success for astrology, but i like to base my guesses on about 10->10.5 average rolls. It does make me confident in giving 3 degrees of success to both sing sacrifices and survival growth, for 1.4x and 1.1x return respectively.
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StellarMonarch
Myrmidon
- Location
- Québec
[X] Gaerig Sulks
I am eating lasagna.
Is very relevant.
I am eating lasagna.
Is very relevant.
Dream Logic
An offseason swallow
- Location
- In transit
Quick browse and a few guesses at what MonsterChild's liable to do based on it's traits.
Lesser Aspect of the Spider (+2 Melee, +1 Craft (Weaving), +1 Perform (Dance), Gains Poison, gains Webbing)
Lesser Aspect of the Octopus (+2 Melee, +2 Survival, +1 Perform (Dance), Limited ability to mask or disguise Avatar)
Our two higher tier animals. Spiders tend to be solitary and Octopi are also liable to be. Very likely going to be a trap monster waiting for it's prey.
Minor Aspect of the Shark (+2 Melee, Deals damage to opponents or weapons when successfully attacked in melee)
Minor Aspect of the Frog (+1 Survival, +1 Perform (Sing), Gains Poison)
Minor Aspect of the Salamander (+2 Awe, Gains Fire Resistance)
All either aquatic or amphibious. Still a melee monster(pun intended) but between the frog and shark it's hide is very very much meant to be a deterrent. As tough as it is, it's also made mostly of animals that are both prey and hunter.
Classical Element - Earth
Elemental Affinity - Clay
As others have stated, this is going to be interesting. It can weave clay and is in fact liable to if it was left alone. Certainly it should have utility if it pursues the potential of trapping.
Giant Avatar
Adaptive Avatar
Clay Avatar
Greater Chimera I (Extra Head)
Mostly this opens up it's capability to kill really really large prey and murder-ify any humans. This also serves to reinforce that it cannot breed naturally, hence the asexual reproduction.
Hypothesis: Rashelki is going to be a solitary-ish animal. Likely seeking out a home where it can pick off individuals and breed a brood. I would not expect the brood to be dense both due to size and the animals but I'd expect they will spread out around the wilds semi-evenly.
As for skills Rash will probably fill out Melee and Survival before weaving as it's third. The ability to use Clay and earth for it's webs will certainly be useful and I doubt that it will go for fishing to get it's meals. Sing would be the other option and I would expect it to begin luring people and animals if it shows any form of intelligence.
Lesser Aspect of the Spider (+2 Melee, +1 Craft (Weaving), +1 Perform (Dance), Gains Poison, gains Webbing)
Lesser Aspect of the Octopus (+2 Melee, +2 Survival, +1 Perform (Dance), Limited ability to mask or disguise Avatar)
Our two higher tier animals. Spiders tend to be solitary and Octopi are also liable to be. Very likely going to be a trap monster waiting for it's prey.
Minor Aspect of the Shark (+2 Melee, Deals damage to opponents or weapons when successfully attacked in melee)
Minor Aspect of the Frog (+1 Survival, +1 Perform (Sing), Gains Poison)
Minor Aspect of the Salamander (+2 Awe, Gains Fire Resistance)
All either aquatic or amphibious. Still a melee monster(pun intended) but between the frog and shark it's hide is very very much meant to be a deterrent. As tough as it is, it's also made mostly of animals that are both prey and hunter.
Classical Element - Earth
Elemental Affinity - Clay
As others have stated, this is going to be interesting. It can weave clay and is in fact liable to if it was left alone. Certainly it should have utility if it pursues the potential of trapping.
Giant Avatar
Adaptive Avatar
Clay Avatar
Greater Chimera I (Extra Head)
Mostly this opens up it's capability to kill really really large prey and murder-ify any humans. This also serves to reinforce that it cannot breed naturally, hence the asexual reproduction.
Hypothesis: Rashelki is going to be a solitary-ish animal. Likely seeking out a home where it can pick off individuals and breed a brood. I would not expect the brood to be dense both due to size and the animals but I'd expect they will spread out around the wilds semi-evenly.
As for skills Rash will probably fill out Melee and Survival before weaving as it's third. The ability to use Clay and earth for it's webs will certainly be useful and I doubt that it will go for fishing to get it's meals. Sing would be the other option and I would expect it to begin luring people and animals if it shows any form of intelligence.
- Location
- Hell
[X] Gaerig Sulks
Since Abby Normal has created a more dedicated one, I'm dropping mine and joining the Divine Realm Plan!o(>ω<)o
Since we don't have anything too pressing, and muh Sea Pixies have finally succeeded, I'm not worried.
Your avatar!
You got that from me! X3
Since Abby Normal has created a more dedicated one, I'm dropping mine and joining the Divine Realm Plan!o(>ω<)o
Since we don't have anything too pressing, and muh Sea Pixies have finally succeeded, I'm not worried.
Your avatar!
You got that from me! X3
StellarMonarch
Myrmidon
- Location
- Québec
It fit.
But yes, yes I did.
- Location
- Hell
Also, please add the
Powerofmind has confirmed that it damages growth otherwise, and this is our least damaging action right now.
@Abby Normal
Yellow Moon is currently promised from last turn. Saiga will be blessing on the assumption that we will be running Yellow Moon. So will the rest of the pantheon.
It's otherwise a good plan
Not Growth blessings at all?
Yellow Moon is currently promised from last turn. Saiga will be blessing on the assumption that we will be running Yellow Moon. So will the rest of the pantheon.
It's otherwise a good plan
@Sivantic
Not Growth blessings at all?
@Ian Drash
While a protest vote is a protest vote. We have commitments man.
Yellow Moon is promised to our pantheon, with consequences if not met.
We need their assistance to reform, so actually following through on promises is important
Also you need to dedicate 1 ambrosia on top of that.
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Looking at the update...where does it say that yellow moon is promised? I just see "coordinate for blessings"? If our yellow moon boosts allied blessings, its still prolly a good idea (and i'd like @Ian Drash to at least dump extra DE into blessings, so we have more than half our budget to work with next turn if it wins), of course. I'll see how i want to change around my plan (87% chance of 2 successes on yellow moon -> 0.5 successes to blessings (but not inspires) and 1.5x growth (from at least blessings and inspires, maybe everything), which is useful but not too good for DE return honestly...
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[X] Plan Hopefully Stop Breaking Things
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
Yeah you already did your coordination.
- Location
- Hell
Sacrifice gives some growth. Plan's been abandon though.
Just to check, does this mean we do or do not have anything left to do?
We have confirmation that Yellow Moon boosts allied blessings, based on the last time I tried to scam a trade advantage from Keshketev by bribing him with something we were going to do anyway. Currently that affects every spirit in the pantheon.
Since they can massively out growthbless us, it's a good idea overall to get out of the pit.
[X] Plan Hopefully Stop Breaking Things
Voting for it for now anyways though. The Growth situation is REALLY bad.
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
To confirm, our yellow moon boosts allied blessings and growth, right? and boosts any source of growth, on the off chance they are using influence actions to help?
@veekie check over this, please--i think i did the math right but i'm a bit distracted so i might have missed a number <3