[X] The Emerald Seas must build itself. In showing a united face and a clear vision, we may build the long sullied foundations of our province into a manor as respected as any other. In this new field we may show that the skill and charisma of great Tsu is not buried. (+approval from Weilu moderate and reformist aligned groups)
Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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[X] The Emerald Seas must wield both the sheathed sword and the open scroll. Great Tsu united by word, and wielded his staff in anger only against the rapacious. The Emerald Seas have all they need; we need not take from others. What we might want, we may exchange for a pittance of our bounty. (+approval from imperial moderate, Emerald Seas Nationalist and Cai Loyalist aligned groups)
After reading the comments, I'm pretty torn up between both options.
[] The Emerald Seas must wield both the sheathed sword and the open scroll. Great Tsu united by word, and wielded his staff in anger only against the rapacious. The Emerald Seas have all they need; we need not take from others. What we might want, we may exchange for a pittance of our bounty. (+approval from imperial moderate, Emerald Seas Nationalist and Cai Loyalist aligned groups)
I really like the first option's anti-expansionist outlook. It restate that not everyone outside the Empire is a barbarian, and they can be traded with. But still maintains a strong position against being taken advantage of.
It also has my preferred approval gains.
The ES Nationalist kinda consolidated into its own nascent faction due to LQ, so it would be good to secure them at this early stage. And we don't have as many ins with the Imperials and Loyalists as we do with the Weilu Moderates and Reformists.
We'll have plenty of involvement and ways to gain favor with the later, so this is a great chance to get in the good graces of the former so we don't have to worry about juggling approval at a more critical time.
The only thing I'm iffy about is the arrogant tone of the text. But it's not like that bit will irredeemably shape the ES's subconscious.
[] The Emerald Seas must build itself. In showing a united face and a clear vision, we may build the long sullied foundations of our province into a manor as respected as any other. In this new field we may show that the skill and charisma of great Tsu is not buried. (+approval from Weilu moderate and reformist aligned groups)
On the other hand, I also like the second option's acknowledgment that the ES still has a lot of work to do on its foundations.
In particular in its ability to work together for a common goal, for the long term betterment if the province.
Not treating the ES as an already established superpower just because its, admittedly, massive production potential.
But I'm not sure if that's enough to outweight the first option.
[] The Emerald Seas must wield both the sheathed sword and the open scroll. Great Tsu united by word, and wielded his staff in anger only against the rapacious. The Emerald Seas have all they need; we need not take from others. What we might want, we may exchange for a pittance of our bounty. (+approval from imperial moderate, Emerald Seas Nationalist and Cai Loyalist aligned groups)
I really like the first option's anti-expansionist outlook. It restate that not everyone outside the Empire is a barbarian, and they can be traded with. But still maintains a strong position against being taken advantage of.
It also has my preferred approval gains.
The ES Nationalist kinda consolidated into its own nascent faction due to LQ, so it would be good to secure them at this early stage. And we don't have as many ins with the Imperials and Loyalists as we do with the Weilu Moderates and Reformists.
We'll have plenty of involvement and ways to gain favor with the later, so this is a great chance to get in the good graces of the former so we don't have to worry about juggling approval at a more critical time.
The only thing I'm iffy about is the arrogant tone of the text. But it's not like that bit will irredeemably shape the ES's subconscious.
[] The Emerald Seas must build itself. In showing a united face and a clear vision, we may build the long sullied foundations of our province into a manor as respected as any other. In this new field we may show that the skill and charisma of great Tsu is not buried. (+approval from Weilu moderate and reformist aligned groups)
On the other hand, I also like the second option's acknowledgment that the ES still has a lot of work to do on its foundations.
In particular in its ability to work together for a common goal, for the long term betterment if the province.
Not treating the ES as an already established superpower just because its, admittedly, massive production potential.
But I'm not sure if that's enough to outweight the first option.
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[X] The Emerald Seas must wield both the sheathed sword and the open scroll. Great Tsu united by word, and wielded his staff in anger only against the rapacious. The Emerald Seas have all they need; we need not take from others. What we might want, we may exchange for a pittance of our bounty. (+approval from imperial moderate, Emerald Seas Nationalist and Cai Loyalist aligned groups)
Jiven
With the power of the moon...
- Location
- Strasbourg, France
[X] The Emerald Seas must build itself. In showing a united face and a clear vision, we may build the long sullied foundations of our province into a manor as respected as any other. In this new field we may show that the skill and charisma of great Tsu is not buried. (+approval from Weilu moderate and reformist aligned groups)
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- He/Him
[X] The Emerald Seas must build itself. In showing a united face and a clear vision, we may build the long sullied foundations of our province into a manor as respected as any other. In this new field we may show that the skill and charisma of great Tsu is not buried. (+approval from Weilu moderate and reformist aligned groups)
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- He/Him
[X] The Emerald Seas must wield both the sheathed sword and the open scroll. Great Tsu united by word, and wielded his staff in anger only against the rapacious. The Emerald Seas have all they need; we need not take from others. What we might want, we may exchange for a pittance of our bounty. (+approval from imperial moderate, Emerald Seas Nationalist and Cai Loyalist aligned groups)
Honestly I prefer the message of 2, but this is a very We Are Politicking In Our Home Court vote, and the political returns of 1 just seems better. Shore up support with the people who are lukewarm on us, appealing to a nationalist pride on a strength that does not need to go conquering. Nothing too objectionable, and Qi already hit the important bits.
Honestly I prefer the message of 2, but this is a very We Are Politicking In Our Home Court vote, and the political returns of 1 just seems better. Shore up support with the people who are lukewarm on us, appealing to a nationalist pride on a strength that does not need to go conquering. Nothing too objectionable, and Qi already hit the important bits.
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- Staring into the void
[X] The Emerald Seas must build itself. In showing a united face and a clear vision, we may build the long sullied foundations of our province into a manor as respected as any other. In this new field we may show that the skill and charisma of great Tsu is not buried. (+approval from Weilu moderate and reformist aligned groups)
[X] The Emerald Seas must wield both the sheathed sword and the open scroll. Great Tsu united by word, and wielded his staff in anger only against the rapacious. The Emerald Seas have all they need; we need not take from others. What we might want, we may exchange for a pittance of our bounty. (+approval from imperial moderate, Emerald Seas Nationalist and Cai Loyalist aligned groups)
[X] The Emerald Seas must wield both the sheathed sword and the open scroll. Great Tsu united by word, and wielded his staff in anger only against the rapacious. The Emerald Seas have all they need; we need not take from others. What we might want, we may exchange for a pittance of our bounty. (+approval from imperial moderate, Emerald Seas Nationalist and Cai Loyalist aligned groups)
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[X] The Emerald Seas must wield both the sheathed sword and the open scroll. Great Tsu united by word, and wielded his staff in anger only against the rapacious. The Emerald Seas have all they need; we need not take from others. What we might want, we may exchange for a pittance of our bounty. (+approval from imperial moderate, Emerald Seas Nationalist and Cai Loyalist aligned groups)
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- He
[X] The Emerald Seas must wield both the sheathed sword and the open scroll. Great Tsu united by word, and wielded his staff in anger only against the rapacious. The Emerald Seas have all they need; we need not take from others. What we might want, we may exchange for a pittance of our bounty. (+approval from imperial moderate, Emerald Seas Nationalist and Cai Loyalist aligned groups)
[X] The Emerald Seas must wield both the sheathed sword and the open scroll. Great Tsu united by word, and wielded his staff in anger only against the rapacious. The Emerald Seas have all they need; we need not take from others. What we might want, we may exchange for a pittance of our bounty. (+approval from imperial moderate, Emerald Seas Nationalist and Cai Loyalist aligned groups)
If you're not in a strong position of superiority, you've probably not got the security to make the risks of peace a gamble your society can choose to take.
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[X] The Emerald Seas must wield both the sheathed sword and the open scroll. Great Tsu united by word, and wielded his staff in anger only against the rapacious. The Emerald Seas have all they need; we need not take from others. What we might want, we may exchange for a pittance of our bounty. (+approval from imperial moderate, Emerald Seas Nationalist and Cai Loyalist aligned groups)
[X] The Emerald Seas must wield both the sheathed sword and the open scroll. Great Tsu united by word, and wielded his staff in anger only against the rapacious. The Emerald Seas have all they need; we need not take from others. What we might want, we may exchange for a pittance of our bounty. (+approval from imperial moderate, Emerald Seas Nationalist and Cai Loyalist aligned groups)
- Location
- USA
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- He/Him
[X] The Emerald Seas must wield both the sheathed sword and the open scroll. Great Tsu united by word, and wielded his staff in anger only against the rapacious. The Emerald Seas have all they need; we need not take from others. What we might want, we may exchange for a pittance of our bounty. (+approval from imperial moderate, Emerald Seas Nationalist and Cai Loyalist aligned groups)
If feel this better acknowledges the unity of blades aspect and not just Tsu.
If feel this better acknowledges the unity of blades aspect and not just Tsu.
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- He
[X] The Emerald Seas must wield both the sheathed sword and the open scroll. Great Tsu united by word, and wielded his staff in anger only against the rapacious. The Emerald Seas have all they need; we need not take from others. What we might want, we may exchange for a pittance of our bounty. (+approval from imperial moderate, Emerald Seas Nationalist and Cai Loyalist aligned groups)
[X] The Emerald Seas must wield both the sheathed sword and the open scroll. Great Tsu united by word, and wielded his staff in anger only against the rapacious. The Emerald Seas have all they need; we need not take from others. What we might want, we may exchange for a pittance of our bounty. (+approval from imperial moderate, Emerald Seas Nationalist and Cai Loyalist aligned groups)
[X] The Emerald Seas must wield both the sheathed sword and the open scroll. Great Tsu united by word, and wielded his staff in anger only against the rapacious. The Emerald Seas have all they need; we need not take from others. What we might want, we may exchange for a pittance of our bounty. (+approval from imperial moderate, Emerald Seas Nationalist and Cai Loyalist aligned groups)
This one helps us more with all the counts, besides the Luo, where it only helps us half as much, and the Meng where it helps us 1/7 as much. Mainly I'm voting this way because I want the inroads with the Diao.
Getting most of the Jia to approve of our message while we caution against expansionism is a nice bonus too.
[ ] The Emerald Seas must build itself. In showing a united face and a clear vision, we may build the long sullied foundations of our province into a manor as respected as any other. In this new field we may show that the skill and charisma of great Tsu is not buried. (+approval from Weilu moderate and reformist aligned groups)
This one is very tempting for two reasons. First, I love invoking emulation of Tsu as a (still) living model for today, as opposed to the first option's more distant symbolic invocation. I suspect that's what draws the Weilu interest. Second, and more importantly, this option would be funnier when we next face our geomancy teacher. He'd be getting rumours of us being revealed as Jia Hong's Junior Sister and this weilu-ish-er speech before court at sort of the same time, and before seeing us again. Which would be very funny.
Alas, the numbers are 2gud on the first. Seducing thefoxes honourable Diao with our Ling Qi-ness is a higher priority than confusing an uncle, even if he is a very good uncle.
This one helps us more with all the counts, besides the Luo, where it only helps us half as much, and the Meng where it helps us 1/7 as much. Mainly I'm voting this way because I want the inroads with the Diao.
Getting most of the Jia to approve of our message while we caution against expansionism is a nice bonus too.
[ ] The Emerald Seas must build itself. In showing a united face and a clear vision, we may build the long sullied foundations of our province into a manor as respected as any other. In this new field we may show that the skill and charisma of great Tsu is not buried. (+approval from Weilu moderate and reformist aligned groups)
This one is very tempting for two reasons. First, I love invoking emulation of Tsu as a (still) living model for today, as opposed to the first option's more distant symbolic invocation. I suspect that's what draws the Weilu interest. Second, and more importantly, this option would be funnier when we next face our geomancy teacher. He'd be getting rumours of us being revealed as Jia Hong's Junior Sister and this weilu-ish-er speech before court at sort of the same time, and before seeing us again. Which would be very funny.
Alas, the numbers are 2gud on the first. Seducing the
[X] The Emerald Seas must build itself. In showing a united face and a clear vision, we may build the long sullied foundations of our province into a manor as respected as any other. In this new field we may show that the skill and charisma of great Tsu is not buried. (+approval from Weilu moderate and reformist aligned groups)
- Location
- Colorado
[X] The Emerald Seas must build itself. In showing a united face and a clear vision, we may build the long sullied foundations of our province into a manor as respected as any other. In this new field we may show that the skill and charisma of great Tsu is not buried. (+approval from Weilu moderate and reformist aligned groups)
[X] The Emerald Seas must wield both the sheathed sword and the open scroll. Great Tsu united by word, and wielded his staff in anger only against the rapacious. The Emerald Seas have all they need; we need not take from others. What we might want, we may exchange for a pittance of our bounty. (+approval from imperial moderate, Emerald Seas Nationalist and Cai Loyalist aligned groups)
[X] The Emerald Seas must wield both the sheathed sword and the open scroll. Great Tsu united by word, and wielded his staff in anger only against the rapacious. The Emerald Seas have all they need; we need not take from others. What we might want, we may exchange for a pittance of our bounty. (+approval from imperial moderate, Emerald Seas Nationalist and Cai Loyalist aligned groups)
[X] The Emerald Seas must wield both the sheathed sword and the open scroll. Great Tsu united by word, and wielded his staff in anger only against the rapacious. The Emerald Seas have all they need; we need not take from others. What we might want, we may exchange for a pittance of our bounty. (+approval from imperial moderate, Emerald Seas Nationalist and Cai Loyalist aligned groups)
[X] The Emerald Seas must wield both the sheathed sword and the open scroll. Great Tsu united by word, and wielded his staff in anger only against the rapacious. The Emerald Seas have all they need; we need not take from others. What we might want, we may exchange for a pittance of our bounty. (+approval from imperial moderate, Emerald Seas Nationalist and Cai Loyalist aligned groups)
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- Location
- USA
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- He/His/Him
[X] The Emerald Seas must build itself. In showing a united face and a clear vision, we may build the long sullied foundations of our province into a manor as respected as any other. In this new field we may show that the skill and charisma of great Tsu is not buried. (+approval from Weilu moderate and reformist aligned groups)