Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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to cultivate beyond mere qi… it required an ambition, a drive to change an aspect of the world.

Lower cultivators did not understand. So many thought they could scrabble up the mountain with naught but the desperate animal fear of death to drive them.

Impossible. Such a small desire could not support a wielder of Law, let alone a Sovereign. There was a reason high realm corpse Immortals were so rare. Such a fear could not survive in one who had seen and felt what came with the rigors of breaking through to the fourth realm.

So I take it a classical immortality focused cultivator would not just have to want to live forever. They would have to utterly reject the very idea of their eventual death as something natural or ever acceptable on a conceptual level. Not just "I'm afraid to die", but "any world in which I could die is fundamentally wrong and needs that part fixed by me".

Now I'm wondering if a personal Law about rejecting Death/Entropy would keep a sovereign alive longer or not even without ascending, or if they would just slowly transform into a corpse Immortal.
 
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So I take it a classical immortality focused cultivator would not just have to want to live forever. They would have to utterly reject the very idea of their eventual death as something natural or ever acceptable on a conceptual level. Not just "I'm afraid to die", but "any world in which I could die is fundamentally wrong and needs that part fixed by me".

Now I'm wondering if a personal Law about rejecting Death/Entropy would keep a sovereign alive longer or not even without ascending, or if they would just slowly transform into a corpse Immortal.
Honestly that sounds like an invitation for Brother Time himself to smite them as their tribulation.
 
So I take it a classical immortality focused cultivator would not just have to want to live forever. They would have to utterly reject the very idea of their eventual death as something natural or ever acceptable on a conceptual level. Not just "I'm afraid to die", but "any world in which I could die is fundamentally wrong and needs that part fixed by me".
I don't think your interpretation is wrong, but if I had to word it different, I would say it's the classic "I'm too busy to die". As they work to fix a cosmic imbalance.
 
Honestly that sounds like an invitation for Brother Time himself to smite them as their tribulation.

Sure, but "smiting" and "tribulation" are very different things. Smiting is something that happened to the era of dragons and likely would have happened to the Twilight King. Tribulation is something that has as much of a chance to become a stepping stone on your Path as it is to end you.

I don't think your interpretation is wrong, but if I had to word it different, I would say it's the classic "I'm too busy to die". As they work to fix a cosmic imbalance.

I'm not saying your interpretation is wrong either, but I would say there is a fundamental difference between having a problem with the idea Death, because it's in the way of your more important goals, and having a conceptual problem with the idea of Death be your most important goal.

Especially if it's about universal rejection of the need of death for everybody, not just yourself. A Path of anti-Death does not inherently need to be "selfish", after all.
 
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So I take it a classical immortality focused cultivator would not just have to want to live forever. They would have to utterly reject the very idea of their eventual death as something natural or ever acceptable on a conceptual level. Not just "I'm afraid to die", but "any world in which I could die is fundamentally wrong and needs that part fixed by me".

Now I'm wondering if a personal Law about rejecting Death/Entropy would keep a sovereign alive longer or not even without ascending, or if they would just slowly transform into a corpse Immortal.
Such a cultivator would have to leave behind their fear of death fairly early, I think. Third reason at the latest. To fear death accepts it as a possibility; someone cultivating "I do and always will exist in this world" would not fear death because they know it will not touch them.

Hilariously, if they managed to ascend and make that fundamentally true, they would be achieving an immortality closer to the idea that a person is never truly gone until they are forgotten. After all, how different is a great spirit that influences the world to include them from a great leader or artist who passes on their teachings and this ensures their mark will forever be on the future? It's a pointless and empty goal that accomplishes nothing in the end.
 
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I can see where Ai Xiaoli is coming from now.
She's projecting her own childhood abuses onto her daughters and thus overcorrecting in the opposite direction.

Where she was pushed over and over to excel even if it broke her, she pushes her daughters to seek safety and stability even if that would break them
 
Such a cultivator would have to leave behind their gear of death fairly early, I think. Third reason at the latest. To fear death accepts it as a possibility; someone cultivating "I do and always will exist in this world" would not fear death because they know it will not touch them.

I don't think Paths, as they have been portrayed, require you to stop being capable of understanding that you could theoretically fail in your goals, even at the highest stage. It just makes it really hard to doubt those goals.

Hilariously, if they managed to ascend and make that fundamentally true, they would be achieving an immortality closer to the idea that a person is never truly gone until they are forgotten. After all, how different is a great spirit that influences the world to include them from a great leader or artist who passes on their teachings and this ensures their mark will forever be on the future? It's a pointless and empty goal that accomplishes nothing in the end.

I mean, technically the ascension of a Buddha doesn't do anything for anybody else (unless they start working as a bodhisattva to guide others), but Siddhartha still became an inspiration.

So if somebody did manage it, they would likely inspire followers to try the same.
 
I mean, technically the ascension of a Buddha doesn't do anything for anybody else (unless they start working as a bodhisattva to guide others), but Siddhartha still became an inspiration.

So if somebody did manage it, they would likely inspire followers to try the same.
Sure, but literally every cultivator who ascends accomplishes the same thing. They've just reached the peak of power in an ultimately hollow way, without bringing any meaning along with them and only reinforcing their own existence instead of defining how their existence should impact the world. They would inspire no followers beyond those who are already inspired by the idea of achieving immortality through ascension already.
 
I feel like an "Immortality for others" Cultivator would just be a doctor, first of all, or a teacher of Cultivation seeking to universalize low-level cultivation so as to extend lifespans.

Either that or a mystic seeking Universal Ascension (TM) or something.
 
I feel like an "Immortality for others" Cultivator would just be a doctor, first of all, or a teacher of Cultivation seeking to universalize low-level cultivation so as to extend lifespans.

Either that or a mystic seeking Universal Ascension (TM) or something.
I mean setting is lacking in life extention drugs, if a doctor were to ascent he can make life extention drugs a thing same way jade can used to record stuff.
 
I mean setting is lacking in life extention drugs, if a doctor were to ascent he can make life extention drugs a thing same way jade can used to record stuff.

Life Extension Drugs or some easier/cheaper path to get Red, since even just getting Red-Gold would give a person a hundred relatively-healthy years.

Which is still far higher than the global average in real life, even if it pales in comparison to thousand year Whites.
 
I remember from somewhere that it was brother time that created life and death.
Therefore, any cultivator who truly wants to 'never die', rather merely extend their life or become a great spirit, would have to defeat / escape from time.
That is, become some unchanging, unchangable, object that keeps existing in it's current state.
 
Year 45, Month 12 Arc 3.5
Ling Qi spiraled up, away from the foul waters below, clogged with the gore of the broken giants corpse and the pain of the living ones. Up among the now rhythmically pulsing blue crystals growing organically from the cavern walls, casting her shadow flickering shifts along the curving tunnel walls.

"Are you certain you're well after getting…. Into that?" Ling Qi asked quietly. She kept her pace sedate, her hands spread out to her sides, no flicker of qi running through her more offensive meridians. She was being watched, and the spirit was rightfully wary.

"I mean, I need like a dozen hot baths, but I'm good, I'm not gonna get polluted by a lil corpse juice and puppet strings," Sixiang said.

"How would a bath even help you?" Ling Qi asked idly.

"I mean it'd have to be like a purification bath, with some pretty girls and boys waving incense sticks over it. I guess I would just kinda dissolve into the water and let the bad filter out and sink to the bottom?"

Ling Qi hummed. Sixiang would have to settle for a song and an ice bath. Heating water wasn't really in her skillset.

"I'll take it!"

She rolled her eyes fondly, but her expression swiftly became troubled, it was easy to look over in the chaos, but… Sixiang's injury wasn't completely extinguished.

"Neither is yours."

She bowed her head, that was fair, she just…

"Worried I'll hurt myself?" Sixiang huffed. "It's down far enough, shrunk enough. I'm digesting it."

She pursed her lips, that was more worrying.

"Hey hey, dissolution and smelting ain't too far apart on the first step. Don't tell me you haven't understood those flames too."

She had, in a small way. She rejected the totality of what Xia Ren was… but there were elements in her whose resonation couldn't be ignored. Together with Still Waters, showing her two paths community could take to butchery.

And the niggling worry that there was no path to changing ones world that was not a bloody one.
Was the Emerald Mourner truly wrong? Could a sovereign that did not impose their will on others exist?

That was the sort of navel gazing which belonged in late night meditation within ones chambers though, she shook the thought away.

"I think it's gonna depend a lot on your definition of impose," Sixiang said quietly.

Perhaps. Ling Qi allowed.

Qiyi hummed a little tune in her mind, flexing and weaving threads, casting off the filth that had found its way onto the fabric. She heard them, even understood a little, Ling Qi thought, but found the conversation wholly uninteresting.

Dresses were only concerned with their wearer after all. They rose into the crystal chamber on a slow column of bubbles. The cyan crystal was dim, a large part of its right side dark gray and lightless, tendrils of that discolouration reaching deep into its churning core.

She bowed, arms spread wide, sleeves billowing the water. "Master of the cycle, of lighted stone and song in the deeps, this one humbly greets you. Should you wish another title, please inform this ignorant guest."

She didn't speak those words though, instead, a song, the low piping moans of winds through air gaps in deep tunnels, the higher song of rushing zephyr's though the fluted passages of the upper mountain, the spirits own tongue, gleaned from a touch upon its nature.

Cold song, frozen song, mountains high and skies white. Not of here, not of deep, in lightless dark to creep. In tepid water ne'er hot or cold, in ruin, in rot. WHY?"

The final word was a demand, the spirits irritable perceptions still run through with shades of pain, like a man with broken bones jutting from his flesh.

"In claim, in livelihood, from peaks far and high. Land stamped for men to live, by dragon's spark and High Throne of Seasons, I their watcher, beheld the rot, beheld the fingers of the enemy, the trees and peaks war with rotting deeps. What good a foe, looming over the homestead, when one might have a neighbor instead."

She chose her pitch and tone carefully, driven by such pain she could not expect the spirit to be terribly reasonable, even if she understood its nature.

"And you don't got that. I can't get a proper read on this thing either, too much junk in the tunnels… Not really a spirit lord, like lil Zhengui, but something kinda like your old teacher, Master of this place alone… something about balance?"

She thought that was a foundation, but not the purpose. …Fusion? Combination? The making of things from disparate parts. That was the echo she could glean.

The churning waters had stilled with her response, a flash of actinic light stirring in the depths of the watery qi. Long, long the lords of sky and river are gone, the builders gone, hunted. Ignorant.

Implying it was a work related to the great Peaks of the capital? She supposed that was the most oft spoke theory of the Argent Vents as well. "Gone, gone, gone. No claim do I make to heritage. Only life lived now."

"Deeps. Deeping does not belong above. Above. Beneath. Apart. Not to meet."

"We would make that so. My companion bears a seal to make it so, if we may but know where to go,"
Ling Qi replied, maintaining her bow even amidst the roiling of the waters in the chamber. "Unless there is more, good neighbor, which might aid the quest?"

"My blood spilled, my children broken, not all by impurities touch. I bleed, the ichor on your blade."

"I won't deny,"
Ling Qi sang back. "Cruel parasite's, cold comfort. Yet. Who dares demand that one does not defend what is theirs?"

She raised her head, looking directly into the crystal. Though the spirit was mightier than her, as before…. She was not here as a supplicant, there was a limit to respect.

"Water washes, purifies, second only to flame, extinguished first. Broken, weak still, much strength is lost, and so the tunnels are polluted."

Ling Qi paused. Parsing what had been requested.

"Ling Qi, even you ain't gonna be able to restore a spirit this big without tiring yourself out," Sixiang warned.

Ling Qi understood that, however…. Li Suyin had built a siphon for lunar qi that the others were even now guarding on the surface. She did not know that it could handle the throughput.

"My ice, my song does not reverberate so loud. Yet moon above shines, and artifice drinks so very deep. My companion though, would need to speak."

There was a long pause, a churning frustration like a fish trapped in an unbreaking net.

"I accept. Bring thy kin."

She bowed again, and descended with haste.

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AN: Short one today guys, I underestimated how much would be needed for this section, the update on Wednesday will be full length with a vote though.
 
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She bowed, arms spread wide, sleeves billowing the water. "Master of the cycle, of lighted stone and song in the deeps, this one humbly greets you. Should you wish another title, please inform this ignorant supplicant."

She didn't speak those words though, instead, a song, the low piping moans of winds through air gaps in deep tunnels, the higher song of rushing zephyr's though the fluted passages of the upper mountain, the spirits own tongue, gleaned from a touch upon its nature.

Cold song, frozen song, mountains high and skies white. Not of here, not of deep, in lightless dark to creep. In tepid water ne'er hot or cold, in ruin, in rot. WHY?"

The final word was a demand, the spirits irritable perceptions still run through with shades of pain, like a man with broken bones jutting from his flesh.

"In claim, in livelihood, from peaks far and high. Land stamped for men to live, by dragon's spark and High Throne of Seasons, I their watcher, beheld the rot, beheld the fingers of the enemy, the trees and peaks war with rotting deeps. What good a foe, looming over the homestead, when one might have a neighbor instead."
LQ has gotten really good at talking to and understanding spirits, she has the skillset and the Communication Way for it.

She chose her pitch and tone carefully, driven by such pain she could not expect the spirit to be terribly reasonable, even if she understood its nature.

"And you don't got that. I can't get a proper read on this thing either, too much junk in the tunnels… Not really a spirit lord, like lil Zhengui, but something kinda like your old teacher, Master of this place alone… something about balance?"

She thought that was a foundation, but not the purpose. …Fusion? Combination? The making of things from disparate parts. That was the echo she could glean.
LQ's perception ability is really impressive to understand the nature of the spirit that quickly.

Ling Qi understood that, however…. Li Suyin had built a siphon for lunar qi that the others were even now guarding on the surface. She did not know that it could handle the throughput.

"My ice, my song does not reverberate so loud. Yet moon above shines, and artifice drinks so very deep. My companion though, would need to speak."

There was a long pause, a churning frustration like a fish trapped in an unbreaking net.

"I accept. Bring thy kin."

She bowed again, and descended with haste.
Looks like there's another project to do.
 
She thought that was a foundation, but not the purpose. …Fusion? Combination? The making of things from disparate parts. That was the echo she could glean.
Harmony perhaps? I doubt we'd have missed it if it was Unity.

I wonder if with the aspects we think are probably lost, we'd get the chance to replace them with something else, influencing the whole through the changing of some of it's parts.
 
The churning waters had stilled with her response, a flash of actinic light stirring in the depths of the watery qi. Long, long the lords of sky and river are gone, the builders gone, hunted. Ignorant.

Implying it was a work related to the great Peaks of the capital? She supposed that was the most oft spoke theory of the Argent Vents as well. "Gone, gone, gone. No claim do I make to heritage. Only life lived now."

Damn, if the Cathedral is a Dragon God project, either the first or final draft of the Argent Vents, then that is a feature worthy of a County capital. Especially if it turns out to be a massive vent when fully operational.

Also makes me more hopeful about the quality of the Spirit Stone mine if the Dragon Gods were really mucking it up around there.
 
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The churning waters had stilled with her response, a flash of actinic light stirring in the depths of the watery qi.

So this represents a bit of the Piper's "higher thoughts", as Li Suyin said previously, entering the water node, right?
That's why their thoughts became more coherent.

Nice little detail.

Implying it was a work related to the great Peaks of the capital? She supposed that was the most oft spoke theory of the Argent Vents as well

Looks like I was right and we will get an Argent Vent out of this adventure. Or rather a development Project to restore it as we help the Piper fix their damaged nodes.
Zhengui can help with the fire one and thunder is the pecursor of music, so LQ got that one.

I wonder how interested would be the Argent Sect on a pre-Xi? (They were the ones to exploit a lot of Argent Vents to their destruction) Argent Vent presided/managed by a likely high Cyan Spirit purportedly created for that role?

I'm guessing that a lot. They have been investing quite a lot on repairing the Argent Vent network, after all.
Would it be possible to enlist their help for the restoration without them taking the site over?
If LQ was an avarage baron I would say no, but Renxiang's presence makes it a viable approach to pursue
 
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I can see where Ai Xiaoli is coming from now.
She's projecting her own childhood abuses onto her daughters and thus overcorrecting in the opposite direction.

Where she was pushed over and over to excel even if it broke her, she pushes her daughters to seek safety and stability even if that would break them
Yep, isn't it absolutely terrifying.
 
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