Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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I think, and don't judge me, but I think maybe a Water Art would work better for this. We already have a talisman that gives us progressively stronger Resist, a growth theme on our resist art as well might not synergize. A Water Art that's about perseverance of and against the river current, not resisting outright but taking the edge off in a 'this far and no further' kind of way would suit us.
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If we're going down the dreaded path of water memes, why not go for the full marriage of "zhengui's themes of eternal recurrence" and our existing ties to the Moon?
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I'm not sure why a talisman which grows stronger as time passes on wouldn't mesh well with a resist art having themes of growth. That seems to mesh really well.
However, Zhengui also has themes of renewal, so if growth doesn't work I can see renewal working very well.
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I'm alright with Water or no Water for our resist art. While I'm not too crazy about Wood--thematically TRF always felt out of place with LQ's build, it was so random--I agree that we also need overlap with ZG. Idk how Yrs will make a Wood resist art that feels more in line with LQ's whole musical moonlit wraith shtick but I have no doubt he can do it. Yrs comes up with the most creative amazing stuff. Maybe he can do a Wood+Water art or a Wood+Wind art, idk.
But not a Fire resist art, like some people on discord are arguing for. I really feel like Fire is the opposite of LQ's whole theme at this point and it would feel even more random than TRF. When Gu Yanmei flooded our body with Solar qi and purged the poison from our body, our body reacted really badly with it. I'm not saying that that's what would happen with LQ obviously, I'm just saying...stuff like Fire, Solar, Heat as themes for arts seems really random for LQ. I really want her to have a cohesive build and a coherent theme in her arts. Stuff like SNR is awesome and feels so right for LQ. I know other people don't really care about the thematic stuff but I do. I guess if we did a Yin Fire thing, that would be fine but wouldn't that be about the hunger of Fire and how it consumes everything IICR? That doesn't really seem to overlap with best boy ZG.
Also I don't really buy the whole argument that we need opposing stuff to balance LQ out b/c we're too much about the Darkness+Cold theme and LQ should lighten up and be happier. I think that even if that's partially true, we could just lean into other elements we already have like Wind or Water. I know some other people want a Contrast resist art, the way Coldstar contrasts Heat and Cold and I suppose that's fine. So long as we don't do an art that's all about Fire.
But not a Fire resist art, like some people on discord are arguing for. I really feel like Fire is the opposite of LQ's whole theme at this point and it would feel even more random than TRF. When Gu Yanmei flooded our body with Solar qi and purged the poison from our body, our body reacted really badly with it. I'm not saying that that's what would happen with LQ obviously, I'm just saying...stuff like Fire, Solar, Heat as themes for arts seems really random for LQ. I really want her to have a cohesive build and a coherent theme in her arts. Stuff like SNR is awesome and feels so right for LQ. I know other people don't really care about the thematic stuff but I do. I guess if we did a Yin Fire thing, that would be fine but wouldn't that be about the hunger of Fire and how it consumes everything IICR? That doesn't really seem to overlap with best boy ZG.
Also I don't really buy the whole argument that we need opposing stuff to balance LQ out b/c we're too much about the Darkness+Cold theme and LQ should lighten up and be happier. I think that even if that's partially true, we could just lean into other elements we already have like Wind or Water. I know some other people want a Contrast resist art, the way Coldstar contrasts Heat and Cold and I suppose that's fine. So long as we don't do an art that's all about Fire.
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Solar and fire are a bit different from each other, true while it did purge us it wasn't in line with renewal just scrubing away things it didn't like and we were poorly suited build wise for that since were all about cold and darkness.
Fire and wood on the other hand can go well with us, take fire for example it's also about desire and consuming like darkness just reflected while wood is about growing and connections a bit like wind but more emphasis on taking root and building family which is what we're doing with our spirits and blood family currently.
As for the art itself it would probably be about weathering the storm in the wilderness while fire would purge the parasites clinging on to them, cept it's magic.
Probably won't be exactly like that but just my thoughts on the matter.
Fire and wood on the other hand can go well with us, take fire for example it's also about desire and consuming like darkness just reflected while wood is about growing and connections a bit like wind but more emphasis on taking root and building family which is what we're doing with our spirits and blood family currently.
As for the art itself it would probably be about weathering the storm in the wilderness while fire would purge the parasites clinging on to them, cept it's magic.
Probably won't be exactly like that but just my thoughts on the matter.
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A fire/wood resist art, could work as a revival art. If someone dispels one of our arts than it just comes back stronger. It would probably be both Yin and Yang fire, but it has to be Yang wood.
A while ago I saw some people on the discord talking about rainbows and remembered the moonbows were a thing so I looked them up and found links to pages about moon rings (22° halo - Wikipedia), and moon dogs (Moon dog - Wikipedia). So maybe a resist art based around something like that might be more thematically appropriate. Just throwing this out there cause I think an art or spirit or something that makes use of stuff like this in some way would be really cool. Just imagine Ling Qi having a defensive moonbow halo of some kind or moondog constructs or perhaps even spirits. Just seems fun and appropriate is all.
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In terms of build-role what we initially went to the archive for is personal Resist art that can scale to Green 5, with a secondary focus on team-sustain to replace the role Ten Ring Defense of TRF has. The latter part is less sharply necessary given the direction our Domain went, and between PLR and likely FSS+ we won't be losing that much in terms of Qi regen. Still makes sense to keep team sustain as a strength of our build though.
Mechanically, it would be convenient if the art isn't mono-Wood/Yang because it'd train slow, and otherwise convenient if it was Water or Cold to take advantage of various benefits we get from those (lake/water site for social xp, decent training multipliers, domain weapon HP if water/dark, more convenient scheduling for cashing in that water pill). Convenience shouldn't be a major factor when it comes to decisions compared to thematic fit and making sure it actually fits the role we want, but it's a factor.
In terms of theme the opinions are much more varied. Recent wog on discord leads me to believe that BKSD will develop in a way that aligns and has synergy with Zhengui's more offensive Wood-techs/Paradise-line[1], so there's less of a need to try and find arts for more common ground. For a resist/team-sustain art any of a number of options can work fine. I'd prefer building on themes of willpower/resolve to go with our Unbroken Will skill, but I'm open to other approaches if they look promising.
[1] The quote in question, if not a tech we should at least get the story of the most badass tree in the empire making a move:
Mechanically, it would be convenient if the art isn't mono-Wood/Yang because it'd train slow, and otherwise convenient if it was Water or Cold to take advantage of various benefits we get from those (lake/water site for social xp, decent training multipliers, domain weapon HP if water/dark, more convenient scheduling for cashing in that water pill). Convenience shouldn't be a major factor when it comes to decisions compared to thematic fit and making sure it actually fits the role we want, but it's a factor.
In terms of theme the opinions are much more varied. Recent wog on discord leads me to believe that BKSD will develop in a way that aligns and has synergy with Zhengui's more offensive Wood-techs/Paradise-line[1], so there's less of a need to try and find arts for more common ground. For a resist/team-sustain art any of a number of options can work fine. I'd prefer building on themes of willpower/resolve to go with our Unbroken Will skill, but I'm open to other approaches if they look promising.
[1] The quote in question, if not a tech we should at least get the story of the most badass tree in the empire making a move:
Black NoiseLast Thursday at 10:33 PM
did anyone ever manage to actually piss off the big tree
CrimsonSplatterLast Thursday at 10:34 PM
Just don't be an exceptionally bothersome termite or pine beetle
YrsillarLast Thursday at 10:37 PM
The only story of Xiangmen actually doing something was back durning Tsu's war against the beast gods.
but we'll get to that, you're cultivating the art after all. 😛
did anyone ever manage to actually piss off the big tree
CrimsonSplatterLast Thursday at 10:34 PM
Just don't be an exceptionally bothersome termite or pine beetle
YrsillarLast Thursday at 10:37 PM
The only story of Xiangmen actually doing something was back durning Tsu's war against the beast gods.
but we'll get to that, you're cultivating the art after all. 😛
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[X] Phantasmagoria of Lunar Revelry (Bai Meizhen, Sixiang, Silent Stones)
Adding to this, in one of the RR sidestories a while back, Zhen was referred to internally as [Renewal], to go with Gui's [Growth], making Renewal a real good thematic hook for us to pursue. It fits well with Resist arts as well. It also has potential with Ling Qi's FSS mastery insights: There are endings and Endings, only the very last one is final. Just as winter ends in spring, small endings are new beginnings.
Contrary to some other ideas floated so far, I don't think going full Wood/Fire is necessary. Pin down one, probably Wood, and then the second element can be whatever, as long as it contributes to a similar thematic relationship between the two. Wood/Cold for a Winter/Spring duality(could result in a wood-based advanced element that's more fitting for us too), for example. If a cool Wood/Fire art comes up, then hey cool of course, but it doesn't seem likely to find one that matches Ling Qi's themes instead of just transposing Zhengui's deal 1-to-1 onto her build, which wouldn't be the best thing.
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[X] Phantasmagoria of Lunar Revelry (Bai Meizhen, Sixiang, Silent Stones)
Ling Qi belief that one should still create beauty even though nothing lasts forever mirrors the growth and renewal aspect of Zhengui. We could find a Death Art similar to Zeqing that is about endings and Endings, letting us fight unrelentingly until the end. A Wind Art that's about movement out of stillness, a Music Art about continuing to play through disturbance. We could still cultivate the aspects Zhengui embody that we share with him, but we don't need to get a random Wood/Fire Art when we could get something that fits ourselves as well.
That was basically the point I was making, yes. Mirroring some of Zhengui's theme doesn't require aping his specific elemental balance. It does help a bunch if we have some elemental bridge to him though, if for no other reason than he gives bonuses to cultivating certain elements. We're better set up to narratively(and with sites) to cultivate Wood than Fire. TRF was a big influence on our journey that has left a big dangling thread of ambiguity- I'd like to pick that thread back up in some fashion.
Here's an idea for an art I came up with in the last 5 minutes:
Twice Frozen Seedling- The user of this art channels the vital determination to survive of newly sprouting seeds not yet broken through the soil above caught in a brief unseasonal return of winter's frost.
It was gonna have more details but then I remembered that would take effort.
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[X] Harmony of Dancing Winds, Arts research, (Yu Nuan, Ruan Shen, Sect archive)
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Confirmation that Jiao is seventh realm, and that him loosing his way is probably not a ruse to fool everyone. Also, the Argent Peak Sect is stupidly overpowered as far as sects go. Probably intentional on An's part, but undercut now by the Empress neglecting them.