There is no emotion... (A Jedi Order Quest)

Of course it's bait. Chuck them into a star and don't look back.

The Sith are pretty much card carrying evil villains and the dark side literally a corrupting influence that consumes. Not even once.
 
And to remind you all again. Destroying Sith holocrons is not just removing temptation, it's destroying Sith knowledge.

I say we take every opportunity to Library of Alexandria those assholes.
 
[x] Plan Knowledge and Defense

I support destroying the Sith Holocrons. Their contents are not worth the risk of us having more Dark Jedi/Sith issues.
 
I'm torn.

For the most part, I like Knowledge and Defence, though feel it would be worth adding an expansion of Telos, so we have a fallback to match Dantooine if anything happens to the latter.

I really don't think we need Tojora right now, nor do we need a Scout - if only because Mira would be the best candidate wth how good she is as finding people, but we're going to want her investigating Czerka for now, with Visas a close second but with the same complication.

The bit I'm torn on is the holocrons. On the one hand, yes it would be a smart play to know our enemy, especialy because we know for a fact the 'True Sith' are out there somewhere so destroyingthese won't exactly consign the sum of Sith knowledge to oblivion. But of course on the other, this is the very trap Atris fell into - though of course Atris had her personal situation extenuating the circumstances, so it's plausible Mical or Visas could handle the information better... but what about the next generation? Both courses of action could be a good thing or a bad thing and I'm not coming to any conclusions as to which is more likely.

@TaliesinSkye convince me? Bonus points if you can do it with an in-universe council POV on the matter.
 
@The Englanderish, Ood Bnar has researched the Dark Side and is one of the few people to do so and remain uncorrupted. We don't need the Holocrons, we need to see if we can find him, wake him up, and get him to talk to us. Mind, I might be biased towards him because he's basically an Ent Jedi, but it gives us all the advantages of the Holocrons and none of the disadvantages. He spent over a thousand years learning about the Jedi and the Sith, so he can summarize it for us if we need the intel. Also, he lived until the time of the New Republic, so he isn't going to conk out on us anytime soon.
 
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Special Virtual Council Session, R.Y. 21,105
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Grandmaster Bao-Dur: Atton, welcome. That's everyone, we can start now.

Councilor Atton Rand: Bao-Dur, is there an agenda for this meeting? I didn't see one.

Grandmaster Bao-Dur: I did not create one. This meeting is...more sensitive than most. I believe it is time we discussed what to do about the Sith holocrons.

Councilor Mira: After what happened to Atris, we should destroy them.

Councilor Juhani: Agreed.

Councilor Brianna: Atris was...bitter. After Surik and Katarr I don't think she was ever right, afterwards. It left her vulnerable.

Councilor Visas Marr: The Sith seek weaknesses in those they would corrupt. But can anyone say for sure we have no weaknesses?

Councilor Mical: It is true that the Jedi often seemed surprised by which of their fellows fell. But then perhaps those who weren't surprising got help in time.

Grandmaster Bao-Dur: The past might offer insight. Why did the old Order not destroy the Holocrons?

Councilor Mical: I've encountered a few justifications over the years. Sometimes the author talked about the possibility of the holocrons being a crucial tool in a future conflict with the Sith, or about the importance of insight into one's enemies. Occasionally they mentioned understanding how people fall to the Dark as the key to turning them back. Unspoken, I think, was that the old Archivists would practically have drawn on anyone who suggested destroying any kind of knowledge out of principle. It was very much against the ethos that developed over time.

Arren Kae - Brianna's mother - was on the old Council before her exile. According to her holocron she wasn't sure when the policy of keeping Sith holocrons had been made, only that it predated her by a long, long while. I've gotten the impression that the old Order did not make a habit of addressing longstanding traditions without some sort of crisis to force reconsideration, so the policy may have been mostly inertia whatever the reasons for the original decision.

Councilor Brianna: ...I really should stop putting it off and make time to talk to her, shouldn't I?

Councilor Bastila Shan: It is your decision, Brianna. But we should endeavor to stay on topic.

Councilor Brianna: You're right, please continue.

Grandmaster Bao-Dur: It's alright, Brianna. Were there any other reasons the old Order did not destroy them, to anyone's knowledge?

Councilor Bastila Shan: I recall being taught that they are unusually durable. Is it possible the old Order couldn't destroy them, so they archived them instead?

Councilor Visas Marr: The holocrons I have seen are all unusually dense with the Force, light or dark. I suspect it is an integral part of the process of creating one. The act of the creator leaving an imprint of their mind on it, perhaps.

Councilor Mical: Unusually dense? That sounds a bit like a description I read once of the old force-imbued blades used by the ancients, before saber technology was discovered. Supposedly those can stand up to lightsaber strikes after the process, like a cortosis blade. I guessed it was some permanent variant of a force barrier technique worked into the metal.

Councilor Juhani: Sounds useful.

Councilor Bastila Shan: Perhaps, but there is a reason the practice died out. Lightsabers are much faster in the hand than metal blades.

Councilor Juhani: Hm. Point.

Councilor Atton Rand: So maybe the old Order wasn't able to destroy the things? It's hard to imagine a heavy turbolaser not being enough.

Grandmaster Bao-Dur: If we vote to destroy them, I may have some ideas. But one step at a time. Are there any other reasons the old Order may have avoided destroying them?

Councilor Visas Marr: There is one. I am uncertain what effect succeeding would have on the ghosts of the Sith who created the holocrons.

Councilor Atton Rand: Wait, what?

Councilor Visas Marr: To a strong enough connection, distance means nothing in the Force. When a Sith - or a Jedi - leaves behind an impression of themselves in a holocron, that would create a permanent bond. Sith spirits are normally only found in their tombs where they have gathered sufficient power to manifest, but I am concerned that one could use the destruction of such a connection as power to break that rule and incentive both.

Councilor Bastila Shan: Force bonds are not to be underestimated.

Councilor Visas Marr: No, they are not. Although the risks could be managed, if the destruction were to occur without any sapients nearby. A star system's distance should be adequate. Sith spirits are difficult to combat, but they have limited power to manifest and tire quickly.

Councilor Mira: Could one just wait for a good target to drop by and possess them? I would rather not fight any reincarnated Sith Lords in the body of some poor trader or asteroid miner.

Councilor Visas Marr: ...I am uncertain. I cannot rule it out. A spirit's presence is obvious nearby, but that would mean being within its range of influence. Unwise, if it exists.

Councilor Juhani: This is all speculation.

Grandmaster Bao-Dur: Juhani has a point. So, let us weigh the other side of the scale. Why should we destroy the holocrons?

Councilor Mira: As long as those things exist, they present a risk. We can do our best to protect them, but there are no guarantees. Some clever and foolish initiates could gain access under our noses and fall before we noticed. Enemies could raid the planet and take them all, allowing them to fall into who knows what hands. One of us, thinking we were too wise to fall and needing knowledge in a desperate moment, could turn out to be tragically wrong and turn against the others.

Councilor Visas Marr: They are twisted hatred made manifest, and will never stop trying to drag anyone around them down into the same mistakes their creators made.

Councilor Mical: Holocrons have the ability to choose what they reveal to students according to what their creator would have done; I don't think the Sith would reveal anything useful to a Jedi unless they were convinced the Jedi was fallen already, or well along the process.

Councilor Visas Marr: You are correct, they would not. And attempting to fool one would be to court a true fall.

Councilor Atton Rand: Can Sith sense the things?

Councilor Mical: There are stories of Jedi who followed the Force to find lost holocrons.

Councilor Brianna: We should probably assume that Sith could do the same, then.

Councilor Atton Rand: So wherever we keep them, no matter how well hidden, we have to assume we're painting a target on it for the Sith.

Councilor Bastila Shan: Not a pleasant thought.

Grandmaster Bao-Dur: No. Very well. Everyone please consider the issues and do your own research, if you wish. We'll have a vote when everyone is ready.
 
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Can't say I expected actual narrative and dialogue, but you went above and beyond! Aight, I'm sold, as long as it's an unpopulated star with basically nothing that can dwell there this side of a casual million years. :V

[x] Plan Knowledge and Defense

I do still think it's worth adding expanding Telos to the plan, but it's hardly the end of the world if we don't do it now.
 
Special Virtual Council Session, R.Y. 21,105​
Oh hey, first Omake! And, for that matter, first Omake Reward! Vote with an O, and only @TaliesinSkye gets to vote on this.

[] Talk to Mother (A Historian's Wisdom): Brianna has a session with the holocron of Arren Kae, discussing the ancient secrets of the Jedi. (+10 Knowledge)
[] Talk To Mother (Telos' Secrets): Brianna has a session with the holocron of Arren Kae, learning hitherto unused plans for the expansion of the Telos archive. (+25 Telos)
[] Talk To Mother (Jedi Roster): Brianna has a session with the holocron of Arren Kae, and learns of some Jedi who started families. (Recruit 1d5 Jedi of potentially abnormal power)
 
Oh man, these are some hefty rewards, each and every one of them. it's so tempting, but it's a very fun and teasing way to give omake rewards.
 
Oh hey, first Omake! And, for that matter, first Omake Reward! Vote with an O, and only @TaliesinSkye gets to vote on this.

[] Talk to Mother (A Historian's Wisdom): Brianna has a session with the holocron of Arren Kae, discussing the ancient secrets of the Jedi. (+10 Knowledge)
[] Talk To Mother (Telos' Secrets): Brianna has a session with the holocron of Arren Kae, learning hitherto unused plans for the expansion of the Telos archive. (+25 Telos)
[] Talk To Mother (Jedi Roster): Brianna has a session with the holocron of Arren Kae, and learns of some Jedi who started families. (Recruit 1d5 Jedi of potentially abnormal power)
Aww, thank you Voikirium! You didn't have to, and picking Brianna's personal thing with the mother she never got to meet is perfect. That's going to be a poignant moment.

I'm going to go with this one:
[O] Talk To Mother (Jedi Roster): Brianna has a session with the holocron of Arren Kae, and learns of some Jedi who started families. (Recruit 1d5 Jedi of potentially abnormal power)

The others are great too, but this is something we can't get any other way. I would also love to see this Order adopt a doctrine of being friendly to families and relationships, and this sounds like a step in that direction.
 
[is tempted to drop everything and do an omake myself] :V

More seriously if I do, it'll be because something's inspired my noggin, not purely for better bonuses.
 
Aww, thank you Voikirium! You didn't have to, and picking Brianna's personal thing with the mother she never got to meet is perfect. That's going to be a poignant moment.

I'm going to go with this one:
[O] Talk To Mother (Jedi Roster): Brianna has a session with the holocron of Arren Kae, and learns of some Jedi who started families. (Recruit 1d5 Jedi of potentially abnormal power)

The others are great too, but this is something we can't get any other way. I would also love to see this Order adopt a doctrine of being friendly to families and relationships, and this sounds like a step in that direction.
YES! THANK YOU!

I think that while having families of Jedi is dangerous, it still is a source for many emotions such as love. I believe that while it does make Jedi more vulnerable, it also gives them great strength.
 
Jedi Roster
[O] Talk To Mother (Jedi Roster): Brianna has a session with the holocron of Arren Kae, and learns of some Jedi who started families. (Recruit 1d5 Jedi of potentially abnormal power)
The Holocron springs to life, showing the face of Brianna's mother.

The face of Kreia.

She chokes it down with a lifetime of discipline, and allows herself to ask the question-- "At your trial, when you were staring down the Council, you defended yourself by saying that you had not been the first Jedi to have offspring. Tell me: who were they?"
--
The sun sets on Opha Des. The swamp water placidly stirs as Gayel Ducte languidly sits on a tree stump, plucking on four strings as he does, letting the wind whisper about him.

"Guess it's about quitting time, huh?" In a flash, the reptilian has launched into the water and is cutting through its depths like a torpedo. When he gets home, his muscles tense and he launches out, landing right in front of what is, for his size, a tiny shack.

It takes him a moment, but he realizes that someone has joined him-- a girl, human looking, though her eyes are covered by a veil. "Tell me-- would you like to hear a story?"
--
Pal sits on a street corner on Nar Shaddaa, his clothes dirty and ragged, his form thin and emaciated. His hair is scraggly, dark, thin.

A shadow falls on him, and he turns, and sees a woman, in robes, her hair a fiery red. "Spare some credits?"

"Sure. I've got money-- if you've got time to listen to a story."
--
The ship docks. A human steps out-- a man, black haired, clad too, all in black, lightsaber dangling on his belt, and his hand twitches as he sees the security.

Gonan and Guinan stare at the man, who claims an Order long dead.

The Twi'Leks and the human stare each other down, Nova Taris behind them.

"So... did you ever hear the story of Leyon the Noble?"
 
The Holocron springs to life, showing the face of Brianna's mother.

The face of Kreia.

She chokes it down with a lifetime of discipline, and allows herself to ask the question-- "At your trial, when you were staring down the Council, you defended yourself by saying that you had not been the first Jedi to have offspring. Tell me: who were they?"
--
The sun sets on Opha Des. The swamp water placidly stirs as Gayel Ducte languidly sits on a tree stump, plucking on four strings as he does, letting the wind whisper about him.

"Guess it's about quitting time, huh?" In a flash, the reptilian has launched into the water and is cutting through its depths like a torpedo. When he gets home, his muscles tense and he launches out, landing right in front of what is, for his size, a tiny shack.

It takes him a moment, but he realizes that someone has joined him-- a girl, human looking, though her eyes are covered by a veil. "Tell me-- would you like to hear a story?"
--
Pal sits on a street corner on Nar Shaddaa, his clothes dirty and ragged, his form thin and emaciated. His hair is scraggly, dark, thin.

A shadow falls on him, and he turns, and sees a woman, in robes, her hair a fiery red. "Spare some credits?"

"Sure. I've got money-- if you've got time to listen to a story."
--
The ship docks. A human steps out-- a man, black haired, clad too, all in black, lightsaber dangling on his belt, and his hand twitches as he sees the security.

Gonan and Guinan stare at the man, who claims an Order long dead.

The Twi'Leks and the human stare each other down, Nova Taris behind them.

"So... did you ever hear the story of Leyon the Noble?"
Thank you so much for this. It looks like four new recruits, all interesting.

I'm a bit confused, though; Brianna's mother died in the close of the Mandalorian War, she wasn't the same person as Kriea.

Edit: Oh, did some reading. It's a popular fan theory that wasn't official but it's okay if you want to go with it.
 
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Thank you so much for this. It looks like four new recruits, all interesting.

I'm a bit confused, though; Brianna's mother died in the close of the Mandalorian War, she wasn't the same person as Kriea.
According to the Handmaiden, and no body was ever recovered.

Further, the Council even says they thought Kreia died during the Mandalorian Wars-- and it sure is wierd how Kreia calls herself the first and last of Revan's teachers, even as Mical says that was Arren Kae, isn't it?
 
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The sun sets on Opha Des. The swamp water placidly stirs as Gayel Ducte languidly sits on a tree stump, plucking on four strings as he does, letting the wind whisper about him.

"Guess it's about quitting time, huh?" In a flash, the reptilian has launched into the water and is cutting through its depths like a torpedo. When he gets home, his muscles tense and he launches out, landing right in front of what is, for his size, a tiny shack.

It takes him a moment, but he realizes that someone has joined him-- a girl, human looking, though her eyes are covered by a veil. "Tell me-- would you like to hear a story?"
--
Is it a story about rainbows?
 
According to the Handmaiden, and no body was ever recovered.

Further, the Council even says they thought Kreia died during the Mandalorian Wars-- and it sure is wierd how Kreia calls herself the first and last of Revan's teachers, even as Mical says that was Arren Kae, isn't it?
Yeah, it fits. The only odd thing is her abandonment of Brianna and her husband. Is there an explanation for that?
 
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