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There is no emotion... (A Jedi Order Quest)

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The Englanderish said:
The problem is that the worse our starting crop of Jedi produced, the more that'll carry over to if we do switch to only having 1:1. Reverse dilution is an absolute pain, and I doubt it would work very well.
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I agree with you on this, however a slow rate of growth concerns me as i'm sure significant threats will begin to appear sooner rather then later. Quantity is a Quality onto itself.
 
Juices said:
I agree with you on this, however a slow rate of growth concerns me as i'm sure significant threats will begin to appear sooner rather then later. Quantity is a Quality onto itself.
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We do have the backing of Republic forces though - it's not us against the galaxy. We have the opportunity, so I think we should take it.
 

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This is ridiculous. We have plenty of excellent examples of the Jedi embracing a 'many students' doctrine, and doing so in precisely our circumstances -- the Jedi order hunted to near-extinction by the Sith. Was Luke's Jedi Order handicapped by producing a multitude of weak Jedi? Was Luke wrong to prioritize increasing the Jedi's numbers and presence in the galaxy?

Saying that 'the Sith Triumvirate is dead, there is no more threat' is silly. What have the past turns taught us except that there are plenty of threats around the galaxy, threats we are utterly unprepared to deal with effectively due to lack of numbers? And that's not to mention whatever threat Revan and Meetra have gone to confront, given their departure from the known galaxy.

Besides which, I like the idea of having multiple masters teach multiple students. Perhaps it's just because I'm familiar with Almas Academy, where each master has their own unique specialization and each student is able to learn from whichever master specializes in the subject they're trying to learn. But the overall idea of giving the Jedi Order flexibility in who teaches and who learns strikes me as a very good thing, not the poison pill Englanderish makes it out to be.
 
The Englanderish said:
We do have the backing of Republic forces though - it's not us against the galaxy. We have the opportunity, so I think we should take it.
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With one teacher one student we are now in the position of inevitably turning away qualified students. That's really, really wasteful. It's also potentially dangerous, if ambitious refused students find teachings elsewhere that aren't so wholesome. In trying to avoid dark siders from what you believe is inadequate training you may have made them from providing no training at all. And we'll be left with fewer Jedi to fight any threats that arise.

Oh well, no choice but to see how it plays out now.
 
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3949 Q2 Research Results+ Recruitment and Progress
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    • -One Student, One Teacher (2/5) +3
    -Force Combat I (0/5) +5
    -Form 7 (0/10) +10
    -Recruitment (4/5) +1
    -Ossus (0/15) +1

    You and Juhani square off, staring each other down. A bead of sweat falls down your face, stings a bit near your eye. The sun is shining, lighting the Enclave. Dust has been kicked up from your earlier bouts, coats your clothes, your face, your everything. The others sit, watching you, taking it all in. The hum of your lightsabers is the only sound, hers blue, yours green.

    And then-- you move. The Force suffuses your muscles, your limbs, propelling you forward even as Juhani lunges at you, too. Your blades clash, staccato bursts, ribbons of green and blue light constantly clashing, constantly meeting, buzzing off each other, whining and singing as strike at each, wheeling them around your body, only to shift to stabs at the final moment-- the dust rises up, coats you both and blocks you from view--light parry-- cut-- slash, figure eight, chop, thrust, kick--

    and then you are leaping over her attack, let her blade bounce off the stream of energy that is your arm, and with a final blow by your palm knock her to the ground. You point your blade at her throat, and then shut it off, before offering her your hand.

    It felt... it felt good. Every moment felt like you were letting go of a little bit of your anger, a little bit of your fury-- instead of letting it stay inside, and rot, and decay, and fester, until it destroy you, until you are reduced to its level. That, the Holocrons said, was the difference between Form VII, Juyo, as the Sith practiced it-- they emptied themselves out in their fury to gain power from it; the Jedi, meanwhile? They kill their anger, and burn its body to power themselves.

    You expect only Guardians, the greatest of your warriors, will make widespread use of Juyo. Beyond any philosophical questions of where one gains the fuel for their aggression, their power in battle, it is simply a more demanding Form, one which requires months to master even the utmost basics to a satisfactory level, as opposed to angry, unfocused flailing. Oh, it's not impossible that any Sentinel, ever, or even any Consular, would wield it; but by and large, there are better forms for their jobs, ones which require less time and emotional maturity and development.

    There is other news, as well. You've finalized your basic recruitment and training strategy-- given that times are, relatively, peaceful, you have decided to continue with the old council's policy of one Master, one Apprentice-- Masters will be teaching a single Padawan learner, though the basics can still be given to multiple students-- that is to say, all the first Initiates are likely to learn basic combat from either you or Juhani, and then work with their master to determine which Forms they should focus on.

    On another note, you've worked with the Republic to begin testing the likeliest Force sensitives-- the first crop arrived today, and you've been working to cut through the chaff.
    (Recruitment: 5 Initiates)
    Of a whole shipful, only five managed to pass muster-- a human, three twi-leks, and one who looks a lot like Master Thon.

    Finally, there is the matter of Ossus. For a world purged in solar fire not even fifty years ago, it has recovered remarkably well-- it can already sustain life, by which you mean "is not so radioactive that it will kill you dead within seconds of landing". Perhaps it is some sort of echo of the power of the Jedi who first settled that place, to keep it clean of that taint?

    Still, to be on the safe side, any sort of long term habitation on Ossus would need shielding--it will take more precise readings of the planet before you can even begin to consider designing said shielding. Too, of course, there is the question "what is to be done if you do reclaim it?" There is an argument to be made for repairing the damage done, in so much as you can repair it--or in leaving the damage as is.

    Still, questions for later. For now, all you need to worry about is heading on patrol.
     
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    • Mission Report 3949 Q3
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    • Mission Report (3949 Q3)

    Mission 1 (Bao-Dur, Mira, 6 Initiates, Core)

    -Master Mira-

    I've had a vision. The Temple, on Coruscant-- something is in it, and it is important. I could not tell you why, I could not tell you how, I couldn't even tell you what but there is something in there that we need, for later, for the sake of the Order.

    One slight problem-- the Temple is full of squatters, who may be hostile to our presence there. It will be a good opportunity for the Initiates to practice their diplomacy, at least.
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    Mission 2 (Juhani, Visas, Atton Rand, Kador, and 1 Initiate, Mid-Rim)
    -Master Visas Marr-
    Kador's father has requested a meeting on what he terms "neutral ground". Nominally, they are both supposed to go alone.

    In truth, Kador has told us to expect his father's men to outnumber us, heavily, when we get there-- "I might not have known he was a crook, but I knew he was a liar long before now." We will be as stealthy as possible, given all things are equal-- he hopes to take this opportunity to bring his father into custody, and I agree with him-- he shouts loudly for war with the Hutts; he would shatter the still of peace, to secure his own profits.
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    Mission 3 (Brianna, Mical, Bastila, Breda, 1 Initiate, Outer Rim)
    -Padawan Breda-
    To give us all time to recuperate, the Masters have elected to return to Dantooine, to buy power converters for the new dormitories. It should be a welcome reprieve from some of the Chaos we have been going through.
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    Mission 1 (Bao-Dur, Mira, 6 Initiates, The Core)
    -Master Mira-
    There are squatters here, alright. Ugnaughts, war refugees, the poor-- they've all congregated here. Bao-Dur is buying our passage and teaching at the same time by distributing food with the Initiates. Meanwhile, I'm stuck in here using the few passwords Meetra taught us, trying to navigate the halls that I don't know because the Jedi didn't have the good damn sense to find me before there was another war.

    I'm basically wandering, trying to find the rhythm to Coruscant. I could be here a while, I think.
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    Mission 2 (Juhani, Visas Marr, Atton Rand, Kador, 1 Initiate, Mid-Rim)
    -Master Visas Marr-

    [Blaster fire whizzes overhead, almost drowning]

    He brought significantly more people than we were expecting. It seems he no longer desires to reclaim his son-- rather, he would like the loose end of his family snipped. Therefore, instead of the Bounty hunters we expected to find, there were a number of Iridonian mercenaries.

    As I have no desire to be eaten, we have not tried our usual strategy of "Surrender, then cut our way out of the belly and destroy the foe who tried to kill us in the first place." Instead, we plan to fight-- or sneak-- our way out.
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    Mission 3 (Brianna, Mical, Bastila, Breda, 1 Initiate, Outer Rim)
    -Padawan Breda-
    Kinrath ate the Power Converters.

    We followed it back to cave, expecting easy fight.

    Very large Kinrath. Currently bleeding, body pumping poison. Thing screaming, eardrums blown out.
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    Mission 1 (Bao-Dur, Mira, 6 Initiates, The Core)
    -Master Mira-
    It was a book.     Seriously, it was just some random book in the lightsaber storage room, describing how to create Synth crystals in a forge! Why would we need that, we're on Dantooine!

    There was a Holocron too, I guess, but I don't know who Karn Degarr is or why he likes white so damn much!

    Ugh.
    (+10 Knowledge, Holocron of Karn Degarr???)
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    Mission 2 (Juhani, Visas Marr, Atton Rand, Kador, 1 Initiate, Mid-Rim)
    -Master Visas Marr-
    We have his father in custody, along with a number of war criminals from the Dark Wars.

    I and Kador managed to hack into the security system and the activate security fields. Then we herded them towards us in twos or threes instead of tens and twenties-- it was long, but not difficult fighting that way.

    I suspect the Sector Governor is going to be pleased to have that filth out of the system. I know the Senate will.
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    Mission 3 (Brianna, Mical, Bastila, Breda, 1 Initiate, Outer Rim)
    -Padawan Breda-
    Please excuse my earlier report. The shape of the battle went something like this-- we entered the caves, and were immediately set on by Kinrath. We dispatched the juveniles easily enough, but then then the matriarch appeared. Before any of us could react it seemingly consumed Master Mical. We split then, to keep the beast from overwhelming us with numbers-- though were stung in the process.

    It followed me as I went deeper into the cavern. I reached a dead end, full of poison from the young, as the thing hunted me.

    I was prepared to give my life when the thing simply stopped. It began to disintend; its bulbous parts began to bulge, distorting this way and that. It was not entirely dissimilar to Sith interrogation techniques.

    Then it blew up. Bits of Kinrath were splattered on the floor, on the walls, on the ceiling, and on me-- but I did not have it half as bad as Master Mical, who was covered in Kinrath juice-- and holding the power converters.

    After hearing their matriarch die, the Kinrath seemed to lose their fight and retreated, allowing us to escape. I will say I saw a number of lightsaber crystals in the cavern-- it might be worth exploring, and claiming-- after battle droids cleanse the area, thoroughly.
    (+20 Dantooine)
     
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    • Poor Mical. Definitely the worst way to kill a giant beast.

    I wonder who this Karn Degarr was...
     
    Okay, I have a few questions:

    First, how do you run the missions? Do they depend on somethings like rolls to determine how well they end up or you just decide how they go?

    Second, can we form our new Jedi Order using Revan's teachings? We just need to find his Holocroms and research them, right? I mean the Jedi code has always had the problem of being easily misinterpreted wrongly.
     
    Qudrim8054 said:
    Okay, I have a few questions:

    First, how do you run the missions? Do they depend on somethings like rolls to determine how well they end up or you just decide how they go?

    Second, can we form our new Jedi Order using Revan's teachings? We just need to find his Holocroms and research them, right? I mean the Jedi code has always had the problem of being easily misinterpreted wrongly.
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    What even are Revan's teachings? A holocron made halfway through the civil war about being a great Sith? A holocron from the Mandalorian Wars about crushing one's enemies and general revanchism? A five-minute back-of-the-napkin one made before heading off into the unknown largely informed by what the Jedi retraining gave? Not many of those sound especially useful to us, at least things that couldn't be gotten from other holocrons.
     
    Revanchism is more a sith thing though... cause you know sith were like wait maybe there is something about this whole not being wholly dark.
     
    Fehu said:
    Revanchism is more a sith thing though... cause you know sith were like wait maybe there is something about this whole not being wholly dark.
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    I meant revanchism in the irl sense - recclamation of lost land (in the context of the Mando war, all the lost Republic worlds) - which is where the moniker came from. Though, I don't recall much about Revan's ideas being particularly about not wholly dark... is this SWTOR stuff that came along? I kinda tuned out after it started wanking him so badly.
     
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    The Englanderish said:
    is this SWTOR stuff that came along? I kinda tuned out after it started wanking him so badly.
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    Indeed, you put down a Cult of unorthodox sith on Dromund Kaas as an Imperial. Allegedly following in Ravens footsteps by experiencing both light and dark. I don't know if they're ever relevant again even with all the Revan wank going on.

    (I too dropped the game when they ruined it by recycling him as villain each time he redeemed himself. Ugh.)
     
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