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Trondason said:
And why?

We have plenty of food, the main problem is logistics. Something we, personally, don't have any issues with. And they wouldn't' attack us if they thought they would lose, which is the case here, and we will make the case later.

As for decimating a city, ignoring that that isn't their goal here as of Word of God, it would be a pointless endeavor, for there is no city they could decimate that is strategically important enough to do more than rile us up, they'd be wasting their ammunition, and, shortly after, their lives.
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Okay let me rephrase this.
  1. they are an advanced spacefareing race while 99.9% of us are still on the ground and their military weapons far outstrips anything that most militates have. Littarly our only advantage is that we are set up on the ground that they need
  2. Do you really think any government on earth would be willing to give land to a forgin power that wants to expand? More over Alien invaders?
  3. they have already committed acts of aggression on Humans
  4. we already blew their ships the hell up
  5. the entire purpose of this organization is to fight the Aliens.
  6. GM+IC already stated their expansionist desires
  7. History backs us up on what happens to those who are Colonized
 
Cjdavis103 said:
  1. they are an advanced spacefareing race while 99.9% of us are still on the ground and their military weapons far outstrips anything that most militates have. Littarly our only advantage is that we are set up on the ground that they need
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If by us you mean the human race in general, sure. If you mean us XCom, then no. We can blow their ships out of the sky with ease, and are getting better (that time stop man, I'm trying to think of how I Just Write will make it so we can't just walk right over everyone with it, and failing to think of something that wouldn't be plain bull).
Cjdavis103 said:
Do you really think any government on earth would be willing to give land to a foreign power that wants to expand? More over Alien invaders?
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Not much land is needed really, and they could be set up in places no-one else wants, like Antartica.
Don't even need land. Just supplies. Mars is perfectly good land, the aliens considered it themselves, if it wasn't for the fact that most of them would starve if they tried for that, lacking supplies from home.
As for a government doing it, totally, they got tech, humans like tech, humans got resources, aliens need resources, they can make a deal.
Cjdavis103 said:
they have already committed acts of aggression on Humans
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And we killed a number of them in return. Unless you mean to suggest that that one act is grounds for killing their entire race, don't see your point.
Cjdavis103 said:
we already blew their ships the hell up
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Yes....? That was just one batch of ships. They got more, and would probably prefer not being blown up as well.
Cjdavis103 said:
the entire purpose of this organization is to fight the Aliens.
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More to protect earth from Aliens. if they aren't a threat, Earth is protected.
Cjdavis103 said:
GM+IC already stated their expansionist desires
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GM has also stated that they are logical people, who would take the best option to them, which we can rather easily make it "Keep your hands to yourself" because "or we will blow your heads off". As such, they will keep their hands to themselves, despite their desires.
Lovall is a perfect example. She cooperated with us, because otherwise we would kill her (so she thought).
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History backs us up on what happens to those who are Colonized
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Except here Humans outnumber the Aliens by a good 437 to 1. I'd hardly call that being colonized.
 
Trondason said:
If by us you mean the human race in general, sure. If you mean us XCom, then no. We can blow their ships out of the sky with ease, and are getting better (that time stop man, I'm trying to think of how I Just Write will make it so we can't just walk right over everyone with it, and failing to think of something that wouldn't be plain bull).
We can. If we where not heere they would have enslaved mankind hell they told us as much!

Not much land is needed really, and they could be set up in places no-one else wants, like Antartica.
Don't even need land. Just supplies. Mars is perfectly good land, the aliens considered it themselves, if it wasn't for the fact that most of them would starve if they tried for that, lacking supplies from home.
As for a government doing it, totally, they got tech, humans like tech, humans got resources, aliens need resources, they can make a deal.
Sure they would total give resources to the creepy alien that tryied to abduct their people to tear them apart in Hilariously torturous ways. They would be kicked out/Overtrown so fast their heads will spin. People like tech however they HATE that which they don't understand and in this case thats Aliens.

And we killed a number of them in return. Unless you mean to suggest that that one act is grounds for killing their entire race, don't see your point.

Yes....? That was just one batch of ships. They got more, and would probably prefer not being blown up as well.
We are already at war. it would be like North Korea blowing up an Aircraft carrier it's an act of war!!!
More to protect earth from Aliens. if they aren't a threat, Earth is protected.
Oh yeah that Fleet parked right above our heads is Super peaceful now if you could just step into this autopsy chamber that would be great. don't worry we will not give you any anesthetic!
GM has also stated that they are logical people, who would take the best option to them, which we can rather easily make it "Keep your hands to yourself" because "or we will blow your heads off". As such, they will keep their hands to themselves, despite their desires.
Lovall is a perfect example. She cooperated with us, because otherwise we would kill her (so she thought).
we are mobliseing our troops if they are smart they will relize not to attack an armed and ready oponent. if they do then we have had no choice but to kill them anyways
Except here Humans outnumber the Aliens by a good 437 to 1. I'd hardly call that being colonized.
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astect to spainard and Native Americans to english settlers had a far more scewed numbers than that
 
Cjdavis103 said:
astect to spainard and Native Americans to english settlers had a far more scewed numbers than that
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Aztecs sorta worshiped the spaniards, and they used that to their advantage, didn't they? (I know very little about the history behind that)
As for the Native Americans, most of them got fucked over by English Diseases, not the settlers actually doing shit. Later on, when the settlers were really here in force and the 13 Colonies were all set up, the Settlers definitely had the advantage of numbers.

Neither of those things are true in this situation.

Also, in both situations, the colonizers had the advantage of super advanced tech the colonized didn't. We are busy upgrading humanity, so while currently true, it will be not nearly as true in 6 months when they arrive.

Also also, I will point out this particular quote of the GM that he said when we were talking about why they invaded (they thought that there would be no way we would go with the peaceful option, so why even bother?) (bolding by me)
I just write said:
Just pointing out that the aliens can be reasonable if that's the best option for them.

EDIT: They've got a coherent motive, and they will act in accordance with that motive within the limits of their information. Use that to your advantage.
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That seems like a rather big hint that, if we gave them the chance to not have to fight for their lives, they would probably take it.
 
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Man, I kinda have to wonder how the aliens would be reacting to Dwarf Fortress style physics. It would be hilarious watching them freak out.
 
Trondason said:
Aztecs sorta worshiped the spaniards, and they used that to their advantage, didn't they? (I know very little about the history behind that)
As for the Native Americans, most of them got fucked over by English Diseases, not the settlers actually doing shit. Later on, when the settlers were really here in force and the 13 Colonies were all set up, the Settlers definitely had the advantage of numbers.

Neither of those things are true in this situation.

Also, in both situations, the colonizers had the advantage of super advanced tech the colonized didn't. We are busy upgrading humanity, so while currently true, it will be not nearly as true in 6 months when they arrive.

Also also, I will point out this particular quote of the GM that he said when we were talking about why they invaded (they thought that there would be no way we would go with the peaceful option, so why even bother?) (bolding by me)

That seems like a rather big hint that, if we gave them the chance to not have to fight for their lives, they would probably take it.
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Maybe. Maybe they decide to be peaceful. Maybe they decide to come to diplomacy. Maybe they work out a comprimise. Maybe we continiue forward in peace.

But do you really want to risk mankind on it? if one thing goes wrong. if they attack us, if we attack them, we are right back to here only we lost intuitive and allowed them to set up shop in our atmosphere and learn more about us. this Puts X-com at risk and if we fall.... Mankind is next.
 
Cjdavis103 said:
But do you really want to risk mankind on it? if one thing goes wrong. if they attack us, if we attack them, we are right back to here only we lost intuitive and allowed them to set up shop in our atmosphere and learn more about us. this Puts X-com at risk and if we fall.... Mankind is next.
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That kind of paranoid thinking gets us nowhere. Such fears can be easily applied to the Magicians, or the Russians, or Black People.
What if something went wrong, one side attacked the other, and everything fell apart? Well, that would be truly shitty, but ain't much help worrying about that.

What we can worry about are the odds, something we can manage over time to make it more favorable to us. X-Com should keep itself generally above and beyond humanity, tech wise. We will become our own nation eventually, more than likely, if we don't take over the world via economic domination. If the Aliens one day felt like stirring up shit, and they had a industrial base with which to do the stirring, big whoop. We will have 3 times the industrial base, making units 4 times as good, and can make them quickly regret it.

It feels like you are forgetting that we can grow as well. We will get more powerful, with a bigger production base, more army units, better army units, faster ships, bigger bombs, stronger shields, and we can do it a whole lot better than anyone else. All in all, I do not fear the aliens, or humanity, or even the magicians, odds are our greatest threat will be some Savant, who breaks the laws of physics over their knee better than we can.
 
Trondason said:
That kind of paranoid thinking gets us nowhere. Such fears can be easily applied to the Magicians, or the Russians, or Black People.
What if something went wrong, one side attacked the other, and everything fell apart? Well, that would be truly shitty, but ain't much help worrying about that.

What we can worry about are the odds, something we can manage over time to make it more favorable to us. X-Com should keep itself generally above and beyond humanity, tech wise. We will become our own nation eventually, more than likely, if we don't take over the world via economic domination. If the Aliens one day felt like stirring up shit, and they had a industrial base with which to do the stirring, big whoop. We will have 3 times the industrial base, making units 4 times as good, and can make them quickly regret it.

It feels like you are forgetting that we can grow as well. We will get more powerful, with a bigger production base, more army units, better army units, faster ships, bigger bombs, stronger shields, and we can do it a whole lot better than anyone else. All in all, I do not fear the aliens, or humanity, or even the magicians, odds are our greatest threat will be some Savant, who breaks the laws of physics over their knee better than we can.
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Look if they want to come to the diplomacy table fine. I just want to be ready for when they're going to attack.

Like literally every other time they've come to this planet. Our first contact is them abducting and dissecting people. They did not come to us peacefully they did not want peace they wanted to Conquer .

If they really wanted peace with us if they were really willing to not fight us why could they not just send a fu&$ing message!!!?!!?
 
Cjdavis103 said:
I just want to be ready for when they're going to attack.
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And we will be ready. Given our ability to instantly deploy our troops, we do not need to deploy them till after they turn down diplomacy. Once they do, our troops will be teleported out from our base right into position.
Which, like I said, is the main issue I had with the vote, the last line has us deploying our troops right away, cutting off even giving them the chance at diplomacy.

Cjdavis103 said:
If they really wanted peace with us if they were really willing to not fight us why could they not just send a fu&$ing message!!!?!!?
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Been over this several times, mostly with Gunman. Namely, they expected it to not work, and they would lose the element of surprise that they thought they had. They spent about 3 days looking over the planet and it's people, assessing what they have and what they can do, and found it lacking. There is no way Humans could support an extra 16 million people without major costs to themselves, costs they would not be willing to deal with. The only thing they missed, was us. We got plenty of tech, we can more than readily take care of them with a few months to build the needed infrastructure. But they didn't know of us, and as such thought that such requests would be denied, and went to option #2, invade.

After that first invasion, now, after they were shown that they were sorely wrong about the level of tech we have, they also rather safely assume that asking for help would be refused out of hand, so why would they even ask? As is the point of IJW's comment. With the knowledge they have, they are taking what they think is the best choice for their civilization.
 
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[X]"I need a sitrep people, tell me what we are dealing with here and what resources we can deploy at this current time."
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[X] "Give me a sitrep. What are we dealing with and what resources can we deploy to deal with it? Have we intercepted their comms yet, and are our anti-orbital batteries prepped? Get all personnel mobilized, with crewmen and any infantrymen being transported in them scrambling!"
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looks like
[X] "Give me a sitrep. What are we dealing with and what resources can we deploy to deal with it? Have we intercepted their comms yet, and are our anti-orbital batteries prepped? Get all personnel mobilized, with crewmen and any infantrymen being transported in them scrambling!"
wins, however given Trondason's logical argument I'm going for the relatively sane version where you don't beam aboard until they actually start hostilities.
 
@I just write Will you give us the actual answer to my question earlier (from which perspective is power consumption of a time stop (both kinds) measured) once we finish the time stopper this week? Cause it really seems like something we in character would know.
 
I just write said:
I was out. Anyway, power consumption is always from the frame of reference of the device doing the consuming.
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Ah, so then Time-Stasis is super easy to maintain, as the device is within the area of slowed time and from a outside perspective it's rate of power consumption is VERY small. What is for it 2.5 Megawatts to slow time in a area of 1 cubic meter down to 1/4000 th the normal speed, is to us a mere 625 Watts.
Edit: 1 kg of Bassnium (I know we don't have it yet, but we will, and makes a good thing for showing off how good this stuff is) can power 896000 of them for a year. 18 kg of it can put the entire alien fleet into stasis, and 1 tonne can keep the entire fleet in stasis for half a century. In that half century, from their perspective, only 5 days have passed.
 
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A knock on the door 2
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    • Ms. Perkins starts filling you in in more detail as you arrive, and you aren't liking what you're hearing. Apparently there's a group of 25 alien craft over Brazil, 5 of which are quite obviously Pocket Warships bristling with weaponry. Pretty much as soon as they arrived they started making a dive for the atmosphere, and they've started using their plasma weapons on a low setting to clear a bit of the Amazon rainforest for them to land before they get all the way down.
    As a side-note, Sectoids would find the Cane Toad slowly strangling Australia delicious, and non-toxic.​
    You order "Get the troops ready, I want to have 3 whole platoons ready to beam out in the next 2 minutes. Also, drag a few hundred of those extra blaster bombs down to one of the cargo teleporters." Your orders start rippling through the base, and you also add "Oh, have we intercepted the alien's communications yet?"

    One of the technicians answers "Yes actually. If you like I could patch you in?"

    "Certainly."

    You are soon treated to the enemy's communications, namely <-ave to move fast and grab as much edible biomass as we can fit in our holds. We've got {20 minutes} before those super-soldiers get here at maximum, and we need to be out of here long before then.>

    Well, this is certainly interesting. You opt to.
    [] Start transmitting
    -[] What do you want to say, now that you're on the line?
    [] Beam troops directly to right near their landing zone
    -[] Orders?
    [] Beam some of your surplus Blaster Bombs aboard their ships
    [] Beam the Pitbull and some Firestorms directly into their midst
    [] Write in
     
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    • [x] Start transmitting
    -[x] "Correction, you have 2 minutes to stop what you are doing, explain what you want, and give me, and by extension humanity as many reasons as possible for why we shouldn't turn you into alien Swiss cheese. Am I understood?"

    -[x] Orders
    [x] Have readied on your command, some of your surplus Blaster Bombs set to be Beam aboard their ships on your mark.
    -[X] If you can, try to make sure to make where they will appear be in their engine rooms to mission kill the ships for capture
     
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    [x] Start transmitting
    -[x] "Correction, you have 2 minutes to stop what you are doing, explain what you want, and give me, and by extension humanity as many reasons as possible for why we shouldn't turn you into alien Swiss cheese. Am I understood?"

    -[x] Orders
    [x] Have readied on your command, some of your surplus Blaster Bombs set to be Beam aboard their ships on your mark.
    -[X] If you can, try to make sure to make where they will appear be in their engine rooms to mission kill the ships for capture.

    As if things go bad, we should be just a button push away from taking out these guys
     
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    [x] Start transmitting
    -[x] "Correction, you have 20 minutes to stop what you are doing, explain what you want, and give me, and by extension humanity as many reasons as possible for why we shouldn't turn you into alien Swiss cheese. Am I understood?"
     
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