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Q: Where did you come from
A: Texas

We could incorporate using the word savant into a longer explanation explaining our technology without explicitly calling it magic, those in the know would get it. my concern is that he is in the know. i mean it is possible that he just have family that are mages or that he is a therapist, but it is also possible that he is a torturer
 
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I think we should stick with the fact we're an actual person from Texas who just appeared as a commander. Since it's the truth, it can't bite us in the ass for being caught lying.

Hm....

I think the right answer is signaling that XCOM happened because of magic, without actually saying it.

[X] Well, I'm from [X] Texas, born in [X year]. I am, or was, an ordinary aerospace engineer. But on [X date] I woke up as the commander of the organization, and a savant for advanced technology. How did it happen? Magic? Alien space bats? God? I don't know. What I do know is that our goal is to help protect humanity from extra-terrestrial threats, and that's why we're here. If we had malicious ulterior motives, we would've let the invasion happen and exploited the anarchy instead of trying to arm the world with equipment that can threaten the aliens, and us.
 
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[X] Gunman

You know what? You're right. It's their job to find out the damn truth, we can simply present them with provable facts. And if they decide on something silly like inserting a consultant who would supervise our plans into our organization, we'll tell them to go fuck themselves and start on the road of self-sufficiency. They need us more than we need them.
 
Gunman said:
think we should stick with the fact we're an actual person from Texas who just appeared as a commander. Since it's the truth, it can't bite us in the ass for being caught lying.
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Telling the partial truth would have all the same upsides, with none of the problems of them doubting our sanity/capability. My explanation is pretty much the truth, with the only fib being the time frame this all happened over. We did make all this, and odds are if aliens didn't come along we would have kept to ourselves for a while till we were are up to take the world by storm.
Unelemental said:
They need us more than we need them.
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Do they know that? I could easily see them going hostile if we don't play along, and try to confiscate our tech, and our personal probably would be as fine with shooting humans as they are aliens.
 
Trondason said:
Do they know that? I could easily see them going hostile if we don't play along, and try to confiscate our tech, and our personal probably would be as fine with shooting humans as they are aliens.
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Have we already built the moon-base? If not, we can hide out on Earth until it's ready and fly there at that point. We don't need to get into a fight with the Earth governments when we can trivially avoid them.

I don't exactly mind your vote, it's a valid alternative, but I'm reluctant to lie in negotiations when they're on such a scale. They might eat up the excuse for now, but they'll also start researching our background, and inconsistencies will start to pile up, like the incongruity of our technology and the complete lack of traceable resources that such development would demand.
Maybe we're just that good and have managed to conceal the whole operation without slipping up once (except for the mess with our identity, which will raise quite a few eyebrows), but the more they investigate, the less they'll be inclined to believe that load of bull, and will consequently start to doubt just how benign our intentions really are.
 
Trondason said:
Telling the partial truth would have all the same upsides, with none of the problems of them doubting our sanity/capability. My explanation is pretty much the truth, with the only fib being the time frame this all happened over. We did make all this, and odds are if aliens didn't come along we would have kept to ourselves for a while till we were are up to take the world by storm.

Do they know that? I could easily see them going hostile if we don't play along, and try to confiscate our tech, and our personal probably would be as fine with shooting humans as they are aliens.
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I think it starts being too far-fetched once you get to the swiss base (from a guy in texas) and personnel.
 
Unelemental said:
Have we already built the moon-base? If not, we can hide out on Earth until it's ready and fly there at that point. We don't need to get into a fight with the Earth governments when we can trivially avoid them.
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It's currently under construction, but even if it was done there would be problems. We'd have to either break to move all the equipment on our earth base (the latter would take a while), we'd lose all funding and add such means to pay our guys, our men would probably not be too happy to sever all their ties with earth too go live on the moon, and might even leave us (particularly our newer reqruits). Over all, it is something we do not want to do.
Unelemental said:
except for the mess with our identity, which will raise quite a few eyebrows
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I don't see why. We had a civilian identity that we threw aside because we were needed to fight aliens.
Unelemental said:
but the more they investigate, the less they'll be inclined to believe that load of bull,
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I also don't see how it's bull. Along side just how stupidly advanced or tech is, or assistant is apparently absurdly good at paperwork, check out her character page.
Gunman said:
@Trondason I think my argument really comes to this: A crazy truth is better than a lie that has holes that can be poked into.
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But they can't poke holes into it, not with so many unknowns of just what we are capable of. And while they might be able to eventually poke enough holes in it, it will take awhile, and by the time it happens hopefully we will be in a much better state to sever our ties with earth than we are now.
 
@Trondason the thing is, that there'd had to have been some kind of trail, especially if we're just an individual or just a small group. Some trail to account for orders of materials to build things, to account for the people we originally had no contact with, building the base, etc. All done off-the-grid.

So while the truth is crazy and audacious, there isn't more to it so it can't be used against us ever.
 
Gunman said:
@Trondason the thing is, that there'd had to have been some kind of trail, especially if we're just an individual or just a small group. Some trail to account for orders of materials to build things, to account for the people we originally had no contact with, building the base, etc. All done off-the-grid.

So while the truth is crazy and audacious, there isn't more to it so it can't be used against us ever.
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Why would there HAVE to be a trail? We got the tech to not only mine the materials on our own, but also do the building. We have no need to hire anyone, or buy anything, we could have done it all by ourselves with our crazy tech. And we ARE doing it all by ourselves up on the moon, though not as stealthfully.

Odds are, even if we tell the truth, it's entirely plausible they think we are just lying. Because it's a crazy truth, there's no way that's true (if you didn't know about the Masquerade, that is). And even if they bought it, they could then question our credentials. All this stuff was just dropped into our laps, why should they believe that we have any ability to actually run it with any competence?

While lying could be used against us later, telling the truth can back-fire against us NOW, and if something were to go wrong, it would be better for it go wrong later when we are better equipped to deal with it.
Daniel14541 said:
[X] Magic. I ain't got to explain shit.


... this is a legitimate reason in game by the way.
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Only a very small portion of humanity knows magic is a real thing. Everyone else would just assume we are refusing to explain, and would not trust us.
 
I think that even partial truth will get us less trusted and more suspicion than what I proposed. The truth is a possibly crazy guy with no actual experience is in control of armed forces and probably weapons of mass destruction. Also with the truth do we have any relatives/friends/associates that they could try and leverage against us?
 
Erehwon said:
I think that even partial truth will get us less trusted and more suspicion than what I proposed. The truth is a possibly crazy guy with no actual experience is in control of armed forces and probably weapons of mass destruction. Also with the truth do we have any relatives/friends/associates that they could try and leverage against us?
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What you proposed has some problems similar to what they suggested. Namely, them believing us. The explanation is a crazy event, and while not as crazy as everything just coming into existence, is still crazy, and they aren't likely to believe us.
While the "we made everything" explanation is also crazy, we got some evidence to support that claim, all our super tech, plus us continuing to pump out more super tech, while we got no evidence for either "Dimensionaly Displaced" and "Everything popped into existence"

As for people that could be used against us, even if we are from a different dimension unless we got a stone cold heart tehy could probably use this dimenson's version of our relatives against us, since generally parallel universe are rather similar in aspects like that.
 
Made it in secret.
votes: x

Dimensional displacement
votes: x

Tell the truth
votes: xxxx

Sarcastic truth
votes: x

VOTE LOCKED!
 
You answer the Italian's query with "To be completely blunt, there isn't really a good explanation. One day I was in Texas going to bed like normal, and when I wake up I'm in a secret base in the Alps. The next thing I know I'm in control of the most technologically advanced organization on the planet and aliens are invading. It sounds insane even to me, but it should be consistent with any evidence you happen to find."

He looks at you weirdly before saying "Fine, I'll take what I can get."

The rest of the discussion goes smoothly, and you are soon dismissed.

MISSION COMPLETE
+slightly reduced UN suspicion levels
+Funding increased by 1.5 billion

I'll get the votes for strategic turn 3 up soon.
 
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    • Strategic Turn 3 votes

    SCIENCE!
    [] Build something new
    -[] A robot
    --[] What variety?
    ---[] Any extra specifics for the design?
    -[] An aerospace craft
    --[] What variety?
    ---[] Any extra specifics for the design?
    -[] something else
    --[] What variety?
    ---[] Any extra specifics for the design?
    [] Upgrade something
    -[] improve the Avenger's FTL
    -[] fix the C-10's recoil issues, otherwise nobody will want to use one.
    -[] make your cyborg dude even more awesome
    -[] something else

    [] Name for your first pocket warship?

    [] Name for the moonbase

    {SCRIPTED EVENT, BUT NOT ALIENS}

    [] write in 3 other things you want done
     
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    • Trondason said:
    Why would there HAVE to be a trail? We got the tech to not only mine the materials on our own, but also do the building. We have no need to hire anyone, or buy anything, we could have done it all by ourselves with our crazy tech. And we ARE doing it all by ourselves up on the moon, though not as stealthfully.

    Odds are, even if we tell the truth, it's entirely plausible they think we are just lying. Because it's a crazy truth, there's no way that's true (if you didn't know about the Masquerade, that is). And even if they bought it, they could then question our credentials. All this stuff was just dropped into our laps, why should they believe that we have any ability to actually run it with any competence?

    While lying could be used against us later, telling the truth can back-fire against us NOW, and if something were to go wrong, it would be better for it go wrong later when we are better equipped to deal with it.

    Only a very small portion of humanity knows magic is a real thing. Everyone else would just assume we are refusing to explain, and would not trust us.
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    Sorry, I didn't check SV. I"ll respond still.


    I think there would've had to have been a trail because it's something they could've tried to have investigated. With what money did we use to order those materials? What about the personnel, construction, etc?
     
    Gunman said:
    I think there would've had to have been a trail because it's something they could've tried to have investigated. With what money did we use to order those materials? What about the personnel, construction, etc?
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    Trondason said:
    We have no need to hire anyone, or buy anything, we could have done it all by ourselves with our crazy tech
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    No money, no other people, just us, and our awesome tech. That wouldn't leave behind a trail.

    [X] Build something new
    -[X] Sleep Learner

    I'm not sure what actions we can tell our guys to do this turn. Can they build a Factory Joe without us using the SCIENCE! action designing one?
     
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