Robots who can work 24/7 does not equal enough infrastructure for 13 million people. And you have not yet answered where they are getting all the land from. As colonists they surely have the means to set up their own infrastructure. They need land, and mines and so on. Basically, they need to conquer a country and evict or kill its population.
Land isn't really a issue, before we get to the fact that we could put them on pluto without much problem.
The highest population density on earth is 20,497 people per square kilometer. At that rate, we could host all 13 million of them on 634 square kilometers of land, or a area 14 kilometers in radius. There are a lot of places on earth that can spare that, especially since we can place them in places otherwise uninhabited, like teh Sahara, or the Siberian Tundra.
As for infrastructure, the beauty about robots, is that we can make more. For the first few months, we would focus on increasing our productivity. Supposing each robot would take about a day to gather the resources to make another, and a another day to assemble said resources into a robot, that would lead to a doubling of manufacturing capability every two days. 40 days, would have us a robotic force a million strong. A extra 20 would get it into the billions. We just need a jump start on it.
Also, I shudder to think of the consequences of spending all of our output on building infrastructure to gift them rather than weapons to stand up to them. That would end up very very very poorly for us.
Since we would be focusing on manufacturing capability first, rather than infrastructure, we can just as easily make either Infrastructure and a army at the same time.
@Trondason did we even bother trying to see if she was lying? IDK if we can take what she said at face value. But the latter part tells us they're now here to conquer/wipe us out.

I say we make the means to completely take them out. If they try to surrender after completely neutering them, then we can consider it.
Of course. My point was, despite being a large force, they weren't equipped to be a invasion force, they do not have nearly the fire-power one would have. That does not make them a non-threat, just not as great of one.
 
Honestly, if we're not going to wipe out the aliens I want to make them a non-threat for the rest of the quest. I want to beat them to a pulp. Given their initial attitude with us, I don't want us to be naive or bend backwards to them later on in an effort to be nice to them.

I agree land isn't an issue, but it could be an issue depending on how much time we'd have to settle the remnants, and whether we'd have to put them on Earth or not.
 
Land isn't really a issue, before we get to the fact that we could put them on pluto without much problem.
if that was an option they would have settled mars themselves

The highest population density on earth is 20,497 people per square kilometer. At that rate, we could host all 13 million of them on 634 square kilometers of land, or a area 14 kilometers in radius.
They aren't looking to be crammed in the smallest amount of land possible, they are looking to settle. I explicitly said that they are looking for land to exploit for mining and farming. They need a nation not a tennements
You are also ignoring their need to build heavy industry which takes up more space than just homes would

There are a lot of places on earth that can spare that, especially since we can place them in places otherwise uninhabited, like teh Sahara, or the Siberian Tundra.
If that was acceptable they would have colonized mars

As for infrastructure, the beauty about robots, is that we can make more.
And doing so takes time.

Supposing each robot would take about a day to gather the resources to make another, and a another day to assemble said resources into a robot, that would lead to a doubling of manufacturing capability every two days.
That is a lot of suppositories
 
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if that was an option they would have settled mars themselves

They aren't looking to be crammed in the smallest amount of land possible, they are looking to settle. I explicitly said that they are looking for land to exploit for mining and farming. They need a nation not a tennements
The problem with mars was food. We can grow food on Mars fairly easily (again, Starcraft to the rescue), just need the facilities set up to actually grow that food. Which is what we would do with the infrastructure.
They might want to be a nation, but they will take what they can get. Since we make conquering Earth not a option, they will have to accept what we offer, or die of starvation.
 
The problem with mars was food. We can grow food on Mars fairly easily
Except for the fact that this is completely and utterly wrong.
The aliens are fully capable of building robots and hydroponics on their own. The issue is building them fast enough. Hence why they said 91% of their pop would die instead of 100% of their pop. Because they CAN build those things, it takes time, and when they do it takes time for those to grow as well.
The same applies to us, we can build robots, we can build hydroponics, we have great growth rate. but it is not nearly the speed you are making it up to be
 
They might want to be a nation, but they will take what they can get.
Except this is WRONG. We were explicitly told that they are not going to be begging for scraps, they are going to displace enough natives to build their own nation.
The purpose of the abductions was to check how easy it would be to displace the locals from enough land to sustain our population
And oh look
Maybe if we win enough fights they might rethink our supposed inferiority and/or get desperate enough to negotiate and accept lowered conditions, such as settling in what would essentially be refugee camps and relying on our good will for food instead.
 
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That is a lot of suppositories
Very few actually. Makes me think of something we went over in the Stark Transcendent quest a while ago, the Iron Man suit, while a super advanced piece of machinery, probably doesn't cost Tony more than a few hundred thousand dollars, because he has his own personal factory that can build everything he needs from scratch. Meaning, after the factory was set up, all he needs to pay for is raw materials , and electricity. And given how big the suit is, it CAN"T take all that much raw materials.

But alright, I will make some measurements based off of what we have seen in quest. We have about 200 Engineers (100 from the newest recruitment, and supposing of our starting staff of 190 people, 100 were engineers). They were able to produce 60 Joes in a week, and given how I rather doubt most normal supplies could be used in our Joes, everything was made from scratch. Now, it is not a assumption to say that a production line built to make Joes can do the job faster, but to avoid any assumptions on how much increases efficiency, we just assume Factory Joes are as efficient as humans. Factory Joes won't need super strong armor, so won't need Cydonium, and probably won't even need Neosteel, making the only necessary part for making it are Superconductors, presumably for the brain.
Factory Joes won't need sleep, nor do they need to every STOP working. So assuming the Human Engineers worked for 12 hours a day (8 hours of sleep, and 4 hours for non-working activities), Factory Joes will do twice amount of work in one day. So at a rate of 60 Joes / 200 Engineers * 2, each Factory Joe can make another in 1.6 weeks. 3 months is 13 weeks, or 7.79 doublings. In 3 months, our work force would be 222.86 times bigger than we started.
And this is assuming Robots built for specifically the function of building stuff don't do it any faster than humans. A minor increase in productivity would lead to much greater end results. If they can do stuff twice as fast as a normal person, that would catapult to 49 thousand times more workers than what we started with.

Except for the fact that this is completely and utterly wrong.
The aliens are fully capable of building robots and hydroponics on their own. The issue is building them fast enough. Hence why they said 91% of their pop would die instead of 100% of their pop. Because they CAN build those things, it takes time, and when they do it takes time for those to grow as well.
The same applies to us, we can build robots, we can build hydroponics, we have great growth rate. but it is not nearly the speed you are making it up to be
Aliens are capable of robotics, yet not on nearly the same same scale as we do, as evidenced by the fact they used mostly people when they were invading the planet. Our tech is greater than theirs, we are able to build more, and build it faster. Another tech we got, that they obviously don't, is cryogenics, we can put the aliens into stasis for decades if we must, them not taking up a single resource beyond the price of making the cyrogenic bed.
Except this is WRONG. We were explicitly told that they are not going to be begging for scraps, they are going to displace enough natives to build their own nation.
So they will choose destruction over servitude? Well that's their choice.
 
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Vote Locked, and it looks to be Ironforge's second vote in the lead. Mind if I copy-paste for the most part?
 
Breaking the news 2
You turn to the Nigerian representative and answer "Possible, but they are likely to treat the people of this world like Nazis following the ideal of lebensraum would the people of the lands they take over.

These aliens don't see those that live here as people, so much as just savage primitives that need to be dealt with and if possible retrained into something that can be used for there own means. If we are to deal with these aliens in a way that won't see those here under their boots. We need to prove to them that we have guns just as big as theirs, if not bigger."

One of the representatives (Italian by the looks of things) asks "This still doesn't explain where you came from, a matter which I am intensely curious about, given that Italy is providing a noticeable amount of your funding."

[] Answer (write in)
 
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Haha. These are not the super-secret agents you're looking for.

Alright, so what had been decided upon last time this was discussed? We're a separate branch of humanity that evolved on Mars or something? We need the explanation to make sense in the context of us having vastly superior technology and relatively few resources, both human and otherwise.
 
You turn to the Nigerian representative and answer "Possible, but they are likely to treat the people of this world like Nazis following the ideal of lebensraum would the people of the lands they take over.

These aliens don't see those that live here as people, so much as just savage primitives that need to be dealt with and if possible retrained into something that can be used for there own means. If we are to deal with these aliens in a way that won't see those here under their boots. We need to prove to them that we have guns just as big as theirs, if not bigger."

One of the representatives (Italian by the looks of things) asks "This still doesn't explain where you came from, a matter which I am intensely curious about, given that Italy is providing a noticeable amount of your funding."

[] Answer (write in)

I know we didn't do this as an Action, but it would've been relatively easy to do:
1. Have we tried confirming our own identity, that we were born on this earth etc.?
2. Have we done the same for the other original XCOM personnel?

Given we've shown our face, have other people outside XCOM done it?
 
I know we didn't do this as an Action, but it would've been relatively easy to do:
1. Have we tried confirming our own identity, that we were born on this earth etc.?
2. Have we done the same for the other original XCOM personnel?

Given we've shown our face, have other people outside XCOM done it?
1: Apparently, you were born in Texas in this universe at the correct time, and a missing persons report was filed for you 2 days before the first alien attack.
2: Apparently, the rest of your personnel either came from somewhere else or got poofed out of thin air.
 
Just so you know, there is in fact an answer he'll accept. Not that I'm telling you.
He's in on the masquerade
 
1: Apparently, you were born in Texas in this universe at the correct time, and a missing persons report was filed for you 2 days before the first alien attack.
2: Apparently, the rest of your personnel either came from somewhere else or got poofed out of thin air.

Well shit.

Out of curiosity, who is funding us and by how much % wise?
 
I don't think we can explain we're an off-shoot of humanity. We're clearly 21st century humans, and even humans from thousands of years ago are marginally different.

Maybe we can talk about our personal life (which should leave an implication XCOM suddenly existed), assure them that all XCOM personnel who aren't robots are humans. That they can at least trust as far as the fact we're trying to arm Earth with advanced technology now/preserving the current state of affairs instead of letting an invasion happen and then exploiting the chaos of it for our own gain?
 
He's in on the masquerade
Well that's fine and dandy, but unless everyone else is too, we still can't tell the whole truth without being considered insane (especially since we technically are). The best we can manage is a half truth.

[X] I made it. Many years of slow careful work with my various inventions, I originally planned to debut to the world after successfully terraforming a world or two, but then these aliens showed up and I couldn't just let them get away attacking humanity.

Hows this? Came up with it off the top of my head, so it probably has some issues.
 
[X] We are a dimensionally displaced UN sanctioned anti-alien force. Why the displacement happened is still not fully understood, but we started monitoring for any alien incursions upon our arrival in this dimension and reacted as required. Our mandate is to protect humanity and we will uphold it in this dimension just as much as in our last.
 
[X] We are a dimensionally displaced UN sanctioned anti-alien force. Why the displacement happened is still not fully understood, but we started monitoring for any alien incursions upon our arrival in this dimension and reacted as required. Our mandate is to protect humanity and we will uphold it in this dimension just as much as in our last.
Why dimensionally displaced? Seems like a unnecessary complication, especially since we don't got anything backing it up.
 
We have core staff and facilities that never existed before, this provides an explanation that does not involve magic or all the intelligence agencies missing them. Any holes in our knowledge or other oddities are also covered by this explanation. Most other explanations either magic or something that could be disproved more easily ( if we said we built this all then people will try to find out how they missed it). It is possibly true for our core staff anyway.

I proposed this because it is not possible to disprove, gives us an identifiable motive (defend humanity) that they can understand and covers any follow up questions about how they never knew anything about us. How did we build the base without anyone knowing? Done in another dimension. How did we find brilliant scientists that have never been to any known institution? They did in another dimension. How did we get access to classified equipment/knowledge? Given legitimate access in another dimension.
 
if we said we built this all then people will try to find out how they missed it
So what if they are trying to find out how they missed it? They obviously did, because we are here, the how is up to them to hopelessly speculate on, because them missing us is more likely than us appearing out of nowhere, especially given all the stealth tech we have.
I proposed this because it is not possible to disprove,
Maybe not disprove but they can find some oddities, like how our counterpart in this universe disappeared exactly when we showed up. We also don't have any files from before we poofed into existence, which would be rather odd.
How did we build the base without anyone knowing
Super tech. We got it pouring out of our ears, so achieving it over a year or two of careful work it's far from unlikely.
How did we find brilliant scientists that have never been to any known institution?
A number of them have. We aren't the only person with a actual life before Xcom. Those who haven't (if their are any) we can explain away with or sleep learner, able to learn years worth of material in months.
How did we get access to classified equipment/knowledge?
What classified stuff do we even have? Pretty sure most everything we have just didn't exist before hand, so couldn't be classified.
 
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