The Power(Harry Potter/The Gamer)

[X] Suggest playing a game.
-[X] Teach them D&D, they'll probably enjoy it since it has all sorts of magic and stuff and also it may help farm Int and such things.
[X] Thank him for his time but explain that you already have friends capable of helping you figure these things out.

Reasoning:
  1. It's new so they should be able to appreciate the novelty value at least
  2. Malfoys are not friends. They are target practice. Sadly shutting the door in his face does not have enough votes to be competitive.
 
We don't actually know it's false either. We dont' have to do anything definitive right now. Draco didn't actually say "Me or them", both is still a pretty plausible option.
Draco does not freely define our relationships. Neville's parents were tortured to insanity by one of Draco's dad's compatriots, and he might hold something of a grudge. Susan's a cop's daughter and may not like that we're associating with a baby Death Eater. Hermione is a target of his racism, and even if Neville and Susan don't start off hating Malfoy they'll come around as they get to know her.
Our BWL status didn't do Harry much good Cannonically. While the Malfoy's sat pretty all the while till the Shit hit the fan.
Harry was really, really shit at leveraging his BWL status in canon, and ended up blundering into looking like a political threat to Dumbledore's opponents. At that point those opponents decided to put resources toward discrediting him, which is really easy when you have what appears to be a state-run newspaper.
 
The game vote is in the write-in.
I'd point out that the story post suggests some time has passed since the game was decided and started (well, in the case of D&D the teaching of how to play being started). As such harry wouldn't just be about to start teaching the rules, he's either be partway through doing so or have already done so (not that that innately means Draco couldn't join in).

That said, I personally figure that Draco has not yet done enough to dissuade Harry from being nice and giving him a chance (and no one has yet pointed out to him the stigma the Malfoys have), not to mention two of Harry's friends indirectly made fun of Draco (even if only laughing because of a poor choice on how to introduce himself). As such I could see Harry at least giving him a shot as something of an apology. And if he is really being a dick he can be regulated to a sucky role like party healer or some such. I would also point out Dumbledore and many of those that follow his lead would be in favour of trying to sway Draco away from his family's viewpoint while he is in school. After all, just because his family is Dark, doesn't mean he has to turn out like them.

Still, all the valid reasons not to immediately turn down Draco aside, in all honesty I really just want to see him get hooked on D&D and start obsessing over the muggle game. Because even if Harry doesn't end up close friends with him, causing that would be hilarious. Also we should totally see if we can't start up a d&d (or possibly a generic RP) club. Would be a great way to hang out with friends that may end up in different houses, and could allow us to interact with and potentially influence Draco if we don't become friends with him here and without needing a super close relationship (after all if he is just another club member it won't put us strongly at odds with other friends who can't stand him). Thus potentially appeasing both the "Let's try to redeem Draco" group, and the "Let's not be friends with Draco because he's a prick and may result in conflicts with better potential friends" group (even if not giving either everything they want it is a decent middle ground).

[X] Suggest playing a game.
-[X] Dungeons and Dragons

[X] Invite him in, to join in the conversation/game, but explain you don't have room for his friends in the compartment as well.

Lastly, to the people saying there isn't enough time to teach and play D&D, the train ride is almost an entire day long (well from some time in the morning till some time after the sun sets), and this is AD&D which is rather faster to pick up than 3.X or 4th edition. And I've had people pick up and learn to play those in only a few hours (including making characters and getting started on the game) and that was without someone with a comprehensive knowledge of the system that can quickly answer any questions...

Actually... @Halpo133 would it be possible that the D&D books would have acted as skill books for the RPG/GM skills (or whatever skill that would fall under)? As in skills for playing and running role playing games? They do after all rather extensively explain how to do those things. Or would Magic of the Multiverse trait overwrite their ability to act as such? Sure it wouldn't be a particularly useful skill so far as adventuring and such, but it would be a fun one to have and be able to grind up to the point of being an amazing GM that can quickly hook most anyone on the games we run.

owrtho
 
This isn't Canon!Harry, this is Gamer!Harry.
Who has just as much rep as Canon!Harry at this point. We could eventually get ourselves more Rep, but as is, we don't have 10x the Malfoy's. We can't say "Fuck the Malfoy's" and a lynch mob instantly form. That would be something you would get with that large of a rep difference.
Don't underestimate the bullshit that is the Gamer.
Don't underestimate the bullshit that is Worm.
It's all still in the rough planning stages, but I figured the dimension hopping would either scale up threats in the new world, or act as a new game plus. Reset to level 1, but with bonus stats, traits, items, etc.

Still all rough planning stages, as I said, and a fair way off so nothing to be too concerned about yet. I mean, you're still in first year, and probably have to wait until at least second to be able to take out Voldemort for good. At the earliest.
I think Worm would be more interesting with the younger we are. If we take out Volde our first year here, that means we will still be 11. Plenty young, younger than Vista even.
Draco does not freely define our relationships
And if he tried, he's getting first a stern talking to, and if he kept doing it, he gets the boot.
Neville's parents were tortured to insanity by one of Draco's dad's compatriots, and he might hold something of a grudge
Pretty sure the Malfoy's lost people too. Not nearly anything as close to Draco, yeah, but the good-guys weren't the only poeple who suffered.
And if Neville takes offense, we can try to talk it out with him. If that is still no good, Neville is better than Draco. No need for definitive action as of yet.
Hermione is a target of his racism, and even if Neville and Susan don't start off hating Malfoy they'll come around as they get to know her.
Similar to what would happen if he tried to define our relationships. He messes with her, stern talking to. Does it again, the boot.
Really, if he's not willing to compromise, there's no point in trying.
 
Pretty sure the Malfoy's lost people too. Not nearly anything as close to Draco, yeah, but the good-guys weren't the only poeple who suffered.
Pretty sure that's fanon, unless you're counting having Auntie Bella and Uncle Rudolph tossed into Azkaban as losing someone. For all that the Unforgivables were authorized during the First War, we don't actually have any information on who, if anyone, was killed by the Aurors.
 
Draco does not freely define our relationships. Neville's parents were tortured to insanity by one of Draco's dad's compatriots, and he might hold something of a grudge. Susan's a cop's daughter and may not like that we're associating with a baby Death Eater. Hermione is a target of his racism, and even if Neville and Susan don't start off hating Malfoy they'll come around as they get to know her.
I'd point out this would all be OoC knowledge. Sure that may all be true (though it may not be), but Harry doesn't know any of that. Additionally no one in his compartment is jumping to share the information, or even showing any real hostility to Malfoy that Harry has noticed. As such there is no reason for Harry to think that Malfoy is bad news that will be at odds with all his current friends.

owrtho
 
Pretty sure that's fanon, unless you're counting having Auntie Bella and Uncle Rudolph tossed into Azkaban as losing someone. For all that the Unforgivables were authorized during the First War, we don't actually have any information on who, if anyone, was killed by the Aurors.

Also pointing out that some of the murderous sadists who willingly worked for a madman may have died does not make me feel the least bit of empathy, but maybe that is just me.
 
Pretty sure the Malfoy's lost people too. Not nearly anything as close to Draco, yeah, but the good-guys weren't the only poeple who suffered.
And while that does make me happy in general it doesn't make me happy enough to bother befriending one of the bad guys.
And if Neville takes offense, we can try to talk it out with him. If that is still no good, Neville is better than Draco. No need for definitive action as of yet.

Similar to what would happen if he tried to define our relationships. He messes with her, stern talking to. Does it again, the boot.
Really, if he's not willing to compromise, there's no point in trying.
Or we could, you know, not do that. Hogwarts has hundreds of students on the low end. The pool of potential friends that won't require a stern talking to is large enough to satisfy Harry's need for companionship.

And, really, no. "Try to talk it out of him" is already going too far. A failed attempt to defend Draco does not leave us where we started, it leaves us with whoever wants him gone angry at us now too.
I'd point out this would all be OoC knowledge. Sure that may all be true (though it may not be), but Harry doesn't know any of that. Additionally no one in his compartment is jumping to share the information, or even showing any real hostility to Malfoy that Harry has noticed. As such there is no reason for Harry to think that Malfoy is bad news that will be at odds with all his current friends.
Any discussion about befriending Malfoy specifically is going to be full of OOC knowledge, because IC he's just some dude who thinks he's James Bond.

But, no, Neville's status and Susan's are known to us. All that's missing is Draco's connection to the whole thing.
 
Lots of words, some directed at me!

There isn't a DMing skill. You have the knowledge in your head, but it doesn't translate to a skill. Mostly because there's little point to it for the quest. It's like the [Dish Washing] skill. Sure it's good for a laugh, but there's no reason for it in the quest. Not like you're going to be entering Dish Washing competitions.

Unlike all those Maniacal Laughter competitions...

Don't underestimate the bullshit that is Worm.

I think Worm would be more interesting with the younger we are. If we take out Volde our first year here, that means we will still be 11. Plenty young, younger than Vista even.

That's not up to me. That's all on how quickly you all take him out. I just don't see how you can break into Malfoy Manor and ransack it well enough to get the diary before year two. And that's disregarding how you're going to get the other horcruxes.
 
[X] Suggest playing a game.
-[X] Teach them D&D.

[X] Explain the Bond joke to calm him down.
-[X] Thank him for his time but tell him its allright. You already have detect evil spell so you don't need help figuring these things out.

No chance of this winning, but the look on his face would probably be amusing.
 
Pretty sure that's fanon, unless you're counting having Auntie Bella and Uncle Rudolph tossed into Azkaban as losing someone. For all that the Unforgivables were authorized during the First War, we don't actually have any information on who, if anyone, was killed by the Aurors.
That's why I said it's plausible. I mean, unless the First War was so utterly one-sided that the Death Eaters had no casualties, someone had to have been brought down.
Or we could, you know, not do that. Hogwarts has hundreds of students on the low end. The pool of potential friends that won't require a stern talking to is large enough to satisfy Harry's need for companionship.
We aren't being friends with him because we want friends. We are being friends with him because we want HIM.
Any discussion about befriending Malfoy specifically is going to be full of OOC knowledge, because IC he's just some dude who thinks he's James Bond.
And we aren't allowed to be friends with nerds who fail at trying to be cool (all we know IC so far)? No reason to turn him down RIGHT NOW.

In the future, maybe. But that's the futures, hypotheticals that depend on certain events happening. There are certain ways it can go, where friendship with both is entirely do-able. If it doesn't go that way, we drop him. If it does, yippe.
That's not up to me. That's all on how quickly you all take him out. I just don't see how you can break into Malfoy Manor and ransack it well enough to get the diary before year two. And that's disregarding how you're going to get the other horcruxes.
Don't need to kill him to take him out. There are several ways to keep him from doing shit ever again if we can knock-him out. I'd think that would count.
 
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There isn't a DMing skill. You have the knowledge in your head, but it doesn't translate to a skill. Mostly because there's little point to it for the quest. It's like the [Dish Washing] skill. Sure it's good for a laugh, but there's no reason for it in the quest. Not like you're going to be entering Dish Washing competitions.

Unlike all those Maniacal Laughter competitions...



That's not up to me. That's all on how quickly you all take him out. I just don't see how you can break into Malfoy Manor and ransack it well enough to get the diary before year two. And that's disregarding how you're going to get the other horcruxes.
Yeah.... Malfoy manor? Hard. Breaking into gringotts? worse.

Now, if we find out what horcruxes are, read the Gringotts terms of service, somehow figure out that bellatrix has a horcrux in her vault, find out that horcruxs are not allowed inside gringotts, and convince the goblins to either destroy it, or allow us to, we might get that one horcurx.
 
[X] Suggest playing a game.
-[X] Teach them D&D.

[X] Explain the Bond joke to calm him down.
-[X] Thank him for his time but tell him its allright. You already have detect evil spell so you don't need help figuring these things out.

No chance of this winning, but the look on his face would probably be amusing.


"Look, Draco, yeah? Don't take their laughing too hard. It's just that in the Muggle world there's a series of books and movies that are rather popular. And the way you introduced yourself is very reminiscent of the titular character of it. He introduces himself as 'Bond. James Bond'. So they weren't laughing at you. Just the similarity."

After a few minutes he nods his head and you smile, then continue speaking. "Now! As for your offer to help me figure out the right sort... Well, it's not really needed, though I appreciate it. See, I have the detect evil spell that I can make use of. So it's really easy for me to tell the wrong sort. Here, I'll demonstrate, though I don't expect it to do much..." Drawing your wand you intone, "[Detect Evil]."

The others in the compartment kinda chuckle weakly, knowing vaguely what you're talking about from teaching them D&D. You're a bit distracted by what you see however.

"Oh.... I'm sorry Draco, but it seems... Well... How to put this... You're evil. And I'm afraid as a result you can't be friends. And Ron... Why... Why is your pocket glowing red?"
 
I'm considering various things. Oneof which is simply that. Stay in Potterverse but bad things start stacking up.

Another is using bullshit magical powers Harry ends up dumped in a choice of another world, with Worm being one. So you could fix things in the Wormverse! Or more likely fuck up Taylor's life even more. Because let's be realistic here.

Taylor needs a break. So suddenly, Taylor!Harry. Harry Is Suffering. And female now because apocalypse world isn't enough, have some gender dysphoria!

Taylor gets transported to live in luxury in nice calm peaceful devoldermorted HPVerse :p
 
We aren't being friends with him because we want friends. We are being friends with him because we want HIM.
Ah, there's the disconnect.

I don't.

I don't want him.

The only positive to come from knowing him, the only thing you've said in his defense that wasn't some variation of "maybe he won't be quite that bad", is his political influence.

He's a negative in every other area. You haven't really refuted this, just claimed that you think he won't be that much of a negative.

This does not reassure me.

Political influence is nice, but if it comes at the cost of giving Draco more screen time then I am utterly uninterested.
 
Draco is 11.
It's kind of annoying going all predestination on him and assigning thing he did next year and the years after while utterly ignoring that he's a kid and Harry is not sunshine and roses either.

Yeah he's a racist now but he's also eleven and has never interacted with half blood or muggleborn in any significant positive fashion not tainted by parroting what his parents say and who gets stuck in slytherin.
 
[X] Suggest playing a game.
-[X] Teach them D&D.

[X] Explain the Bond joke to calm him down.
-[X] Thank him for his time but tell him its allright. You already have detect evil spell so you don't need help figuring these things out.
 
Draco is 11.
It's kind of annoying going all predestination on him and assigning thing he did next year and the years after while utterly ignoring that he's a kid and Harry is not sunshine and roses either.

Yeah he's a racist now but he's also eleven and has never interacted with half blood or muggleborn in any significant positive fashion not tainted by parroting what his parents say and who gets stuck in slytherin.

His father could trivially undo any progress we might miraculously be able to do. It's not predestination, it's upbringing.
 
Draco is 11.
It's kind of annoying going all predestination on him and assigning thing he did next year and the years after while utterly ignoring that he's a kid and Harry is not sunshine and roses either.

Yeah he's a racist now but he's also eleven and has never interacted with half blood or muggleborn in any significant positive fashion not tainted by parroting what his parents say and who gets stuck in slytherin.
What you don't seem to understand is - none of us like him as a character. Full stop.

And you're offering possible transient benefits as the only reason we should possibly do it your way when we'd rather just not have him at all. Also, just look at DragonParadox's last post.
 
That's why I said it's plausible. I mean, unless the First War was so utterly one-sided that the Death Eaters had no casualties, someone had to have been brought down.
It would certainly go a long way towards explaining the terror that gripped the nation if the Death Eaters managed to never die. From a bystander's perspective, they'd be pretty damn horrifying. A bunch of anonymous, skull masked murderers that manage to appear and disappear at a moment's notice, leaving death and destruction in their wake, and only really being caught once the war as basically over, anyway.
 
Draco is 11.
It's kind of annoying going all predestination on him and assigning thing he did next year and the years after while utterly ignoring that he's a kid and Harry is not sunshine and roses either.

Yeah he's a racist now but he's also eleven and has never interacted with half blood or muggleborn in any significant positive fashion not tainted by parroting what his parents say and who gets stuck in slytherin.
He's a racist now and we're interacting with him now. Predestination doesn't factor into it.
 
Incidentally, changing my vote. The discussion has convinced me that Draco provides no tangible benefit at the moment, and politely not inviting him provides the same overall benefit as tolerating him at the cost of negative relationship points with Hermione, Neville, Susan and Hannah.

[x] Suggest playing a game.
-[x] Exploding snap
[x] Thank him for his time but explain that you already have friends capable of helping you figure these things out.

...still think trying to teach them D&D is silly, though.
 
The only positive to come from knowing him, the only thing you've said in his defense that wasn't some variation of "maybe he won't be quite that bad", is his political influence.
No, I never even claimed he's NOT a dick. The positive is his influence, and that it would be fun if we can pull it off. The thing is, it's not just Harry wanting to be friends with him, Draco want's to be friends with us. He would compromise to get it. If he won't, he's not worth it.
His father could trivially undo any progress we might miraculously be able to do. It's not predestination, it's upbringing.
If he had reason to (Volde isn't really in the picture after all). And if he's not dead. He very well could end up dead.
 
You think it would be fun; lots of us think that it would be a waste of screen time that could be devoted to people who aren't dicks or just to grinding for that matter. Either one is better than Malfoy.
 
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