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Godogma said:
@Halpo133, Did you see my post on making sitting with Draco contingent on how he acts with the remembrall thing? Because honestly it beggars my sense of disbelief that we'd sit with him if we aren't forced to if he's determined to be a dick to our friends on the VERY SAME DAY.

It's a good way to get reputation with Neville down the drain.
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I didn't(haven't gotten through all the backlog of posts. I'm horrible about that), but rest assured that each different vote for that had different effects. Demanding it back=canon. Politely asking for it back, which is what won, results in a much more civil resolution to things.
 
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Heh.

Actually, my opinion is that he could have made a good protagonist of a similar sort of magical coming-of-age story; the difference is that he failed. He was sorted into an unpopular House, he made enemies with the popular kids, all of those tropes fell into place. But in the end, the bully own and got away scot-free, and Snape fell in with the only people who would talk to him and became a bitter old man before his time.

I find it fascinating.
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This.

Snape started out as a young boy from a poor home, who fell in love with a beautiful girl. He came to school with her, determined to make a name for himself and win her heart...

...but he was alone. He didn't have anyone by his side but her, was in the most hated House, and was treated as evil from the start.

Despite that, he didn't give up on her. He tried to hold onto that friendship across house lines, tried to be a good man...and was metaphorically kicked in the face for it, courtesy of James Potter.

Eventually, he broke. He lost Lily, because he was trained to hate and fear everything around him...and was infinitely ashamed of his perceived weakness, compared to the marauders. She tried to help him, but he couldn't stand be saved by somone he felt he was supposed to protect...so he hurt her, and she ran into the arms of his enemy.

He joins the only people who will have him, the Death Eaters, and kills muggles (recall that, in his mind, muggles are "people like his father and Petunia") and enemy witches and wizards (that is, to say, "people like James Potter"). Eventually, though, he discovers that his master intends to kill Lily and her family. The child was the target (so there was no hope of saving it) and James was James, but he used the good will he'd earned with Voldemort to get him to spare her (the girl who walked away and married the man he hated most, you recall).

Voldemort tried, but she made him kill her anyway...and then died himself.

Snape had lost the only two people who gave his life meaning, both in one night...and thus he let Dumbledore take Voldemort's place.

He taught at Hogwarts...and saw every Gryffindor as one of those who abused him. Likewise, he saw himself in every hated Slytherin.

Then Harry showed up...the very image of the man who destroyed Snape's life. Perhaps, had he been in another house, Snape would have given him a chance, but he was a Gryffindor...and thus, in Snape's eyes, he was everything that James was.

He saved his life anyway, time after time, because he was Lily's son.

Severus Snape was a good man...but only in the strange world he saw, not the one others perceived. He protected the victims, punished the abusers, and slew the monsters of the world...he even protected his love's child, despite her turning against him.

It's just too bad his perception had been warped so badly by a childhood of abuse and betrayal.
 
Except frankly I found the whole thing where Snape just happened to leave these memories that make James out to be nothing but a bully out where Harry could easily find them to be utterly suspicious and memories aren't admissible in court because a skilled occlumens can alter them... Yeah... No.

EDIT: And if the memories aren't altered; they're still completely without context and we don't know what Snape did or didn't do to antagonize the Marauders.

There's three sides to any story; Your side / His side / The truth of what actually happened without Bias. It's why reading between the lines is such a useful skill to have.
 
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Godogma said:
Except frankly I found the whole thing where Snape just happened to leave these memories that make James out to be nothing but a bully out where Harry could easily find them to be utterly suspicious and memories aren't admissible in court because a skilled occlumens can alter them... Yeah... No.

There's three sides to any story; Your side / His side / The truth of what actually happened without Bias. It's why reading between the lines is such a useful skill to have.
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there a certain diference between reading without bias and ignoring your own negative bias , in canon not only did Snape put the memories in pensive specificaly so that Harry wouldn't see then , not only it was show that altered memories have certain inconcistances but bot Sirus and Lupin confirmed that James was that bad at that time period , so I think you are being excessively paranoid , but you don't seen like someone who will be disuaded of putting the characters you don't like in the worst possible light , so this is more for everyone else benefity
 
Cite your sources; yes he was an arrogant little shit - do I believe that he was an evil prick of a bully based on SNAPE? Who hates James so much that he treats Harry so badly that in any reasonable school he'd be fired almost instantly? LoL Nope.

Dumbledore trusted him for his own reasons, he did some good things but he was also an unmitigated asshole and a bastard. So am I going to say he's biased against anything to do with the last name Potter? Why yes I am thank you.
 
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Godogma said:
Except frankly I found the whole thing where Snape just happened to leave these memories that make James out to be nothing but a bully out where Harry could easily find them to be utterly suspicious and memories aren't admissible in court because a skilled occlumens can alter them... Yeah... No.

EDIT: And if the memories aren't altered; they're still completely without context and we don't know what Snape did or didn't do to antagonize the Marauders.

There's three sides to any story; Your side / His side / The truth of what actually happened without Bias. It's why reading between the lines is such a useful skill to have.
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Two sides there is no truth devoid of an observer. Sapience implies interpretation which is always biased to a lesser or greater degree. Though honestly I can't think of anything Snape could have said or done that would have justified what was done to him. At most his actions could make him come out worse not make James and Sirius come out better.

Anyway until Harry is aware of his father's relation to Snape in this quest the subject is not very relevant so I suggest we shelve it for now.
 
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*Shrug* I can easily see insults and hexes and curses and pranks being hurled both ways between them. I never said James was innocent; just that I can't honestly interpret that scene as anything but a setup based on Snape's actions toward Harry beforehand.

He's a very bitter man who hates Harry based on who his father was; that doesn't mean he won't act in Harry's best interest but it does insert a huge amount of bias toward him acting in a certain way.

EDIT: But yeah, dropping the topic.
 
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    • You'd sat with Neville during Herbology, and between his knowledge of plants and the time you spent with him over the summer the two of you were able to handle what little of the plants you dealt with this week like a well oiled machine. Something that greatly impressed Professor Sprout.

    [+10 relationship with Neville Longbottom]
    [+18 relationship with Professor Sprout]



    During History of Magic you managed to stay awake and take notes. Sure, you probably wouldn't have been able to do so if it weren't for Gamer's Mind, but you still did it. And you feel a bit smarter for the experience.

    [+4 Int for diligent study]



    And then the flying lesson. Things could have been worse, you're sure. You could imagine Draco, after all his boasting of evading muggles in helicopters, could have taken off and out-flown you. Ron looked about ready to try and fly against him, though you get the impression that it would have been more because of the rivalry he has with the blonde rather than any loyalty toward Neville in particular.

    But in the end it didn't come to that. You spoke politely and calmly with Malfoy, and carefully worded your statement so that the only way he could win in public perception was by giving you Neville's rememberall back.

    After that things weren't very eventful. Madam Hooch returned, with Neville, and the flying lesson continued, with you passing Neville's rememberall back to him without comment.

    [+10 relationship with Neville Longbottom]
    [+10 relationship with First Year Slytherins for displaying cunning]
    [Flying skill learned.]
    [You are a Natural Flyer. Boomstick Flight starts at 40.]
    [+10 Broomstick Flight]



    When your double Potions started you decided to sit with Draco. That earned you a few odd looks. And one particularly hateful glare from a Slytherin girl with brown hair. But Draco seemed amenable enough, and Neville and Hermione paired up. Ron ended up with Seamus, a fellow Gryffindor, and he looked a bit hurt that you decided to sit with a Snake rather than him.

    [+10 relationship with Draco Malfoy]
    [+6 relationship with Severus Snape]
    [-8 relationship with Pansy Parkinson]
    [-6 relationship with Ron Weasley]

    When Professor Snape asks the first question of you a couple of the Slytherins laugh. Though they stop when you reply.

    "The Draught of Living Death, sir. A powerful sleeping potion."

    Snape gives you an appraising look before asking the next question.

    "A bezoar, a near universal antidote, can be found in the stomach of a goat."

    With a nod the Professor asks the final question.

    "They are different parts of the same plant, aconite, with one being the leaf and the other the petal."

    Here Professor Snape gives a small shake of his head. "No, Potter. That shows you read the book I recommended, but there was a misprint. Not your fault. But they are different plants of the same genus, which is aconite. But at least you, unlike many other dunderheads here, did a bit of reading to prepare."

    [+18 relationship with Severus Snape]

    Here he pauses and looks around before snapping out, "Why aren't you all copying this down?"

    After that he has the class start to brew a potion from a recipe off the board. It's a simple boil curing potion, and you almost feel like you could brew it in your sleep. Though working with Draco slows you down some. Not much, though, as he appears to be proficient at brewing himself. In the end you and he manage to brew a potion that Snape deams 'Acceptable'.

    When the class is finished Professor Snape assigns twelve inches on ingredient preparation before dismissing everyone.



    That afternoon you end up going to visit with Hagrid, as you'd agreed to do. You go with...

    (Pick up to 5, do not need to pick all five, or even any, as Hagrid's hut isn't large enough for more in it)

    [ ] Neville Longbottom
    [ ] Ron Weasley
    [ ] Hermione Granger
    [ ] Susan Bones
    [ ] Hannah Abbot
    [ ] Draco Malfoy
    [ ] Write-in
     
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    • [X] Neville Longbottom
    [X] Ron Weasley
    [X] Hermione Granger
    [X] Susan Bones
    [X] Hannah Abbot
     
    Halpo133 said:
    You'd sat with Neville during Herbology, and between his knowledge of plants and the time you spent with him over the summer the two of you were able to handle what little of the plants you dealt with this week like a well oiled machine. Something that greatly impressed Professor Sprout.

    [+10 relationship with Neville Longbottom]
    [+18 relationship with Professor Sprout]
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    No woodlore? Or is Woodlore different from what I was thinking it was?

    [X] Neville Longbottom
    [X] Hermione Granger
    [X] Susan Bones
    [X] Hannah Abbot
     
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    [X] Neville Longbottom
    [X] Hermione Granger
    [X] Susan Bones
    [X] Hannah Abbot

    The intended core crew plus Susan's friend.
     
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    [X] Neville Longbottom
    [X] Ron Weasley
    [X] Hermione Granger
    [X] Susan Bones
    [X] Hannah Abbot

    Woodlore is something you'd pick up from Hagrid more than herbology... It's ranger/druid type stuff.
     
    [X] Neville Longbottom
    [X] Ron Weasley
    [X] Hermione Granger
    [X] Susan Bones
    [X] Hannah Abbot

    Halpo133 said:
    But in the end it didn't come to that. You spoke politely and calmly with Malfoy, and carefully worded your statement so that the only way he could win in public perception was by giving you Neville's rememberall back.

    After that things weren't very eventful. Madam Hooch returned, with Neville, and the flying lesson continued, with you passing Neville's rememberall back to him without comment.

    [+10 relationship with Neville Longbottom]
    [+10 relationship with First Year Slytherins for displaying cunning]
    [Flying skill learned.]
    [You are a Natural Flyer. Boomstick Flight starts at 40.]
    [+10 Broomstick Flight]
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    Aww man that might close the Quidditch option for us.
     
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