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On a whim, I decided to calculate how much money one could make, assuming Muggles had the same Gold:Silver:Bronze exchange rates that we do.
Using modern day values, since that is what is more easily at hand.
Gold : Silver : Bronze has a value ratio of 3492.07 : 25.3886 : 1 (gathered from Wolfram Alpha, by volume)

That is the Muggle Ratio. Now to find the Wizard Ratio.
We all know that there is a 493 : 29 : 1 ratio of Galleons : Sickles : Knuts, But the thing is the coins aren't all the same size, changing their value by volume.

Using this image as scale, the Galleon is 53 pixels across, the Sickle is 44 pixels across, and the Knut is 35 pixels across.
This gives a relative volume ratio (assuming same thicknesses) of 2.293 : 1.580 : 1
Factor in the value of the coins in relation to each other, and you got a value ratio by volume of 1130.47 : 45.8318 : 1

Muggle Ratio 3492.07 : 25.3886 : 1
Wizard Ratio 1130.47 : 45.8318 : 1
Now, that is a obviously large difference. Large enough, in fact, that, by taking your Galleons, selling them for their worth in Gold, Buying Silver, Minting the Silver into Sickles, and converting that into Galleons, you can make a 5.57 times increase in your money every round about.

This scheme probably won't work in setting, cause believe it or not, Wizards aren't ALL dumb. If this was a actual thing that could be done, someone would have done it. But it is fun math to do.
 
[X] Suggest playing a game.
-[X] Poker

[X] Invite him in, to join in the conversation/game, but explain you don't have room for his friends in the compartment as well.

Trondason said:
On a whim, I decided to calculate how much money one could make, assuming Muggles had the same Gold:Silver:Bronze exchange rates that we do.
Using modern day values, since that is what is more easily at hand.
Gold : Silver : Bronze has a value ratio of 3492.07 : 25.3886 : 1 (gathered from Wolfram Alpha, by volume)

That is the Muggle Ratio. Now to find the Wizard Ratio.
We all know that there is a 493 : 29 : 1 ratio of Galleons : Sickles : Knuts, But the thing is the coins aren't all the same size, changing their value by volume.

Using this image as scale, the Galleon is 53 pixels across, the Sickle is 44 pixels across, and the Knut is 35 pixels across.
This gives a relative volume ratio (assuming same thicknesses) of 2.293 : 1.580 : 1
Factor in the value of the coins in relation to each other, and you got a value ratio by volume of 1130.47 : 45.8318 : 1

Muggle Ratio 3492.07 : 25.3886 : 1
Wizard Ratio 1130.47 : 45.8318 : 1
Now, that is a obviously large difference. Large enough, in fact, that, by taking your Galleons, selling them for their worth in Gold, Buying Silver, Minting the Silver into Sickles, and converting that into Galleons, you can make a 5.57 times increase in your money every round about.

This scheme probably won't work in setting, cause believe it or not, Wizards aren't ALL dumb. If this was a actual thing that could be done, someone would have done it. But it is fun math to do.
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Wizard maybe dumb but you need to be genius when try to exploit goblin bank system.
 
Trondason said:
On a whim, I decided to calculate how much money one could make, assuming Muggles had the same Gold:Silver:Bronze exchange rates that we do.
Using modern day values, since that is what is more easily at hand.
Gold : Silver : Bronze has a value ratio of 3492.07 : 25.3886 : 1 (gathered from Wolfram Alpha, by volume)

That is the Muggle Ratio. Now to find the Wizard Ratio.
We all know that there is a 493 : 29 : 1 ratio of Galleons : Sickles : Knuts, But the thing is the coins aren't all the same size, changing their value by volume.

Using this image as scale, the Galleon is 53 pixels across, the Sickle is 44 pixels across, and the Knut is 35 pixels across.
This gives a relative volume ratio (assuming same thicknesses) of 2.293 : 1.580 : 1
Factor in the value of the coins in relation to each other, and you got a value ratio by volume of 1130.47 : 45.8318 : 1

Muggle Ratio 3492.07 : 25.3886 : 1
Wizard Ratio 1130.47 : 45.8318 : 1
Now, that is a obviously large difference. Large enough, in fact, that, by taking your Galleons, selling them for their worth in Gold, Buying Silver, Minting the Silver into Sickles, and converting that into Galleons, you can make a 5.57 times increase in your money every round about.

This scheme probably won't work in setting, cause believe it or not, Wizards aren't ALL dumb. If this was a actual thing that could be done, someone would have done it. But it is fun math to do.
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Wizards are dumb, when you have a shortcut in magic, you don't need to be very creative. Goblins however are very smart. I wouldn't like to try and defraud them like that.
 
skaro said:
Wizard maybe dumb but you need to be genius when try to exploit goblin bank system.
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KnightofTempest said:
Wizards are dumb, when you have a shortcut in magic, you don't need to be very creative. Goblins however are very smart. I wouldn't like to try and defraud them like that.
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Yeah, as I said, there are probably reasons (I can think of a few) for why such that scheme wouldn't work.
And it wouldn't be JUST the Goblins not liking people doing that. The goblins could abuse it themselves, but they don't (probably, the Muggle Market isn't in shambles, anyways).
 
[x] Suggest playing a game.
-[x] Exploding snap
[x] Thank him for his time but explain that you already have friends capable of helping you figure these things out.
 
Vindictus said:
[X] Suggest playing a game.
-->[X] DnD

[Q] Invite Greg and Vince in to play DnD with you, but inform Draco sadly that there isn't any more room in the compartment.
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Huh. I laughed when I read that part at the end, but then it suddenly occurred to me that, considering they actually didn't do anything to insult anyone and instead just stood there silently, it would actually make more sense to want them to stay. :p
 
Only stupid HP wizards are poor... Go to pawnshops or antique sales and look for the messed up antiques.

Reparo... Tada! You have an antique that's in perfect condition and can now resell for tremendously more money. Works the same for selling retro stuff that people will pay scads for.
 
Godogma said:
Only stupid HP wizards are poor... Go to pawnshops or antique sales and look for the messed up antiques.

Reparo... Tada! You have an antique that's in perfect condition and can now resell for tremendously more money. Works the same for selling retro stuff that people will pay scads for.
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If that's not against some wizarding law. Very well might be.
 
Trondason said:
If that's not against some wizarding law. Very well might be.
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I don't think reselling old, unenchanted things is against the law. Most might simply not consider it* because of the insular nature of the Wizarding World, because, really, they can get around their communities and never have to interact with the greater world by virtue of the Floo network, apparition, or portkeys.

These are the same people that couldn't even pass as muggle for the brief time they had to fit in for the Quidditch World Cup. Most of them are so far removed from Muggle culture that it's laughable.

*There are probably countless rich muggleborns that do nothing but repair old crap and roll around in their galleons/pounds, Scrooge McDuck style.
 
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No way to track it; Reparo is a charm not an enchantment and also the Ministry is full of idiots and honestly can't find their asses with both hands and a map. I'm seriously unworried. Drop me into HP tomorrow with the ability to cast that spell and I'll live until I die on the money I'll make without ever worrying once about the Ministry harassing me about repairing and selling stuff to muggles.
 
Godogma said:
No way to track it; Reparo is a charm not an enchantment and also the Ministry is full of idiots and honestly can't find their asses with both hands and a map. I'm seriously unworried. Drop me into HP tomorrow with the ability to cast that spell and I'll live until I die on the money I'll make without ever worrying once about the Ministry harassing me about repairing and selling stuff to muggles.
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Dr. Bob Doom said:
*There are probably countless rich muggleborns that do nothing but repair old crap and roll around in their galleons/pounds, Scrooge McDuck style.
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Gentlemen like this chap, right here.
 
Even if you do invite Draco in... he's not going to actually stay. The guy is a conceited moron that thinks the sun shrines out of his father's... well yeah.. trying to make friends with a guy that should remind Harry of Dudley makes no sense and smacks of Meta Game Knowledge. Draco is eleven, Harry doesn't know a great deal about wizards, I can't see why he would think ENEMY for Draco short of using meta knowledge that Harry doesn't have. Even if he did, so what? Draco's level wasn't impressive.

So yeah, inviting him in is pointless and stupid. He's as far as Harry is concerned a nobody and a nothing. Harry's a gamer, he doesn't need to curry favor, Draco was a pathetic wizard to start with and Harry's growth potential means Draco flat out doesn't matter. He's rude, he's annoying and that's just the thirty seconds that he interacted with Harry so far. There is no point trying to save him.
 
Mistofshadows said:
trying to make friends with a guy that should remind Harry of Dudley makes no sense and smacks of Meta Game Knowledge.
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Considering that Harry tried to make friends with Dudley (for his Game knowledge) last week, I don't see how trying to make friends with someone that reminds him of Dudley is unlikely.

The rest of your post, you are exagerating a good bit. Harry ain't the kind of person who dismisses people just because they don't have any strategic value to him (ignoring the fact that he DOES, just not for his magical might). He wasn't rude, and only ever so slightly annoying. If he wants to be friends, we IC have no reason to turn him down beyond that it's starting to get sorta crowded in here.
 
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[x] Suggest playing a game.
-[x] Exploding snap
[x] Thank him for his time but explain that you already have friends capable of helping you figure these things out.
 
Your interpretation of things isn't exactly correct. Considering that frankly he implied that Harry was already with the wrong sort of people and didn't have the mental faculties to make his own decisions on who to be friends with. As well as coming in acting like the queen of the world to start with.

Harry has to live with Dudley so trying to make friends with him makes some sort of sense. Putting up with a racist bigot is NOT the same thing.
 
Godogma said:
No way to track it; Reparo is a charm not an enchantment and also the Ministry is full of idiots and honestly can't find their asses with both hands and a map. I'm seriously unworried. Drop me into HP tomorrow with the ability to cast that spell and I'll live until I die on the money I'll make without ever worrying once about the Ministry harassing me about repairing and selling stuff to muggles.
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Have you considered the fact that the constant reselling might in an of itself be trackable? Through the mundane means of money trails? Or that Antique dealers might in fact noticed that shit was too well fixed?
 
Considering antiques is just one of the methods I mentioned? No. Frankly it's not; that's just high end items. The stuff that's the real money maker and is slow but sure is all the retro stuff that's worth so MUCH money when it's reconditioned and brought up to shape that they made thousands of and is rare NOW.

Intrinsically most of it isn't worth much but it costs a LOT due to collect-ability and rarity. There are whole TV shows about people doing it in real life.

Also, there's no way to say something is in too good a condition - there's testing to see if it's real and all of that is non-destructive because it's worth too goddamn much to do destructive testing in case it is real. They go by makers mark and check things they can check with a machine without lowering it's value.

You don't take scrapings or cut apart antiques unless you're a fucking moron and WANT to have to pay the owner the full market price for the item.
 
Godogma said:
Your interpretation of things isn't exactly correct. Considering that frankly he implied that Harry was already with the wrong sort of people and didn't have the mental faculties to make his own decisions on who to be friends with. As well as coming in acting like the queen of the world to start with.

Harry has to live with Dudley so trying to make friends with him makes some sort of sense. Putting up with a racist bigot is NOT the same thing.
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Harry basically lives with Moody in his mansion closet, so he doesn't really live with the Dursleys any more.
 
Halpo133 said:
No need to ask who you are. My father told me all the Weasleys have red hair, freckles, and more children than they can afford." Eyes turning back to you he continues, "You'll soon find out some wizarding families are much better than others, Potter. You don't want to go making friends with the wrong sort. I can help you there."
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Trondason said:
Considering that Harry tried to make friends with Dudley (for his Game knowledge) last week, I don't see how trying to make friends with someone that reminds him of Dudley is unlikely.
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As Godogma said, he has to live with Dudley for the next 6 or 7 years... doing something to help with your COUSIN's issues is one thing... that's not the same as some idiot they just met. Being half way nice doesn't mean you forgive the monster.

There is no telling if Moody will be back next summer, better to just try to smooth things over with his family as much as possible.

As for Draco, as the quote said... insulted Ron's family. Insulted various other families and insulted Harry's intelligence by implying that he needed Draco to run his life. This is after barging in like an idiot.
 
Godogma said:
Your interpretation of things isn't exactly correct. Considering that frankly he implied that Harry was already with the wrong sort of people and didn't have the mental faculties to make his own decisions on who to be friends with. As well as coming in acting like the queen of the world to start with.

Harry has to live with Dudley so trying to make friends with him makes some sort of sense. Putting up with a racist bigot is NOT the same thing.
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We don't have to live with Dudley. No more than Dudley has to live with the neighbors, at any rate. Our room is basically a house in-of-itself. We don't ever have to leave it, and step foot in the greater Dursley house-hold, especially with Apparition. Any interaction from the introduction of Moody onwards that we have with the Dursleys is on a entirely voluntary basis.

And you are reading things in Draco's sentence that I do not believe are there. Yeah, they could be interpreted that way, but are probably not meant that way, nor would Harry interpret it that way.
He is not commenting on our mental faculties, he is commenting on our experience with the wider wizarding society. How would we know if that rich guy over there is regularly charged with rape, but the cases keeps getting dropped because of his richness. Or, something a lot more likely to come up, that Rita Skeeter is infamous for twisting people's words, and generally painting them in the worst picture possible. Draco is in the know on wizarding society, and who the various important and prominent figures are. He could clue us in.
 
Trondason said:
On a whim, I decided to calculate how much money one could make, assuming Muggles had the same Gold:Silver:Bronze exchange rates that we do.
Using modern day values, since that is what is more easily at hand.
Gold : Silver : Bronze has a value ratio of 3492.07 : 25.3886 : 1 (gathered from Wolfram Alpha, by volume)

That is the Muggle Ratio. Now to find the Wizard Ratio.
We all know that there is a 493 : 29 : 1 ratio of Galleons : Sickles : Knuts, But the thing is the coins aren't all the same size, changing their value by volume.

Using this image as scale, the Galleon is 53 pixels across, the Sickle is 44 pixels across, and the Knut is 35 pixels across.
This gives a relative volume ratio (assuming same thicknesses) of 2.293 : 1.580 : 1
Factor in the value of the coins in relation to each other, and you got a value ratio by volume of 1130.47 : 45.8318 : 1

Muggle Ratio 3492.07 : 25.3886 : 1
Wizard Ratio 1130.47 : 45.8318 : 1
Now, that is a obviously large difference. Large enough, in fact, that, by taking your Galleons, selling them for their worth in Gold, Buying Silver, Minting the Silver into Sickles, and converting that into Galleons, you can make a 5.57 times increase in your money every round about.

This scheme probably won't work in setting, cause believe it or not, Wizards aren't ALL dumb. If this was a actual thing that could be done, someone would have done it. But it is fun math to do.
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Interesting math and rather informative. But...

We'll be going with JKR's mention of 1 galleon=5 pounds. Not at all realistic if the coins were solidly the metal they appear to be. But I'm going to assume that they're lead, iron, or even stone coated in a thin coating of the appropriate metal. Or that they're specifically charmed to prevent being melted down, thus making an exchange with them at a pawn shop or the like impractical.

Now I'm going back to reading Worm and various related writings. Because plans...
 
Trondason said:
We don't have to live with Dudley. No more than Dudley has to live with the neighbors, at any rate. Our room is basically a house in-of-itself. We don't ever have to leave it, and step foot in the greater Dursley house-hold, especially with Apparition. Any interaction from the introduction of Moody onwards that we have with the Dursleys is on a entirely voluntary basis.

And you are reading things in Draco's sentence that I do not believe are there. Yeah, they could be interpreted that way, but are probably not meant that way, nor would Harry interpret it that way.
He is not commenting on our mental faculties, he is commenting on our experience with the wider wizarding society. How would we know if that rich guy over there is regularly charged with rape, but the cases keeps getting dropped because of his richness. Or, something a lot more likely to come up, that Rita Skeeter is infamous for twisting people's words, and generally painting them in the worst picture possible. Draco is in the know on wizarding society, and who the various important and prominent figures are. He could clue us in.
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So could Susan Bones or Neville and neither are racist bigots.

And frankly Draco's family IS the one that keeps getting the charges dropped.
 
Mistofshadows said:
As Godogma said, he has to live with Dudley for the next 6 or 7 years... doing something to help with your COUSIN's issues is one thing... that's not the same as some idiot they just met. Being half way nice doesn't mean you forgive the monster.

There is no telling if Moody will be back next summer, better to just try to smooth things over with his family as much as possible.

As for Draco, as the quote said... insulted Ron's family. Insulted various other families and insulted Harry's intelligence by implying that he needed Draco to run his life. This is after barging in like an idiot.
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And like RandomLurker said, we are living in Moody's Mansion Closet, any interaction with the Dursleys is on a entirely voluntary basis from now on.
And I'd be rather shocked if we don't get Moody next summer. I mean, the entire point of him being there is to keep the Dursley's in line, and generally protect us. What's going to change over the school year that would make us suddenly not need that protection?
Halpo133 said:
Interesting math and rather informative. But...

We'll be going with JKR's mention of 1 galleon=5 pounds. Not at all realistic if the coins were solidly the metal they appear to be. But I'm going to assume that they're lead, iron, or even stone coated in a thin coating of the appropriate metal. Or that they're specifically charmed to prevent being melted down, thus making an exchange with them at a pawn shop or the like impractical.

Now I'm going back to reading Worm and various related writings. Because plans...
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It seems like no-one noticed the disclaimer at the end of the math calculations.
Godogma said:
So could Susan Bones or Neville and neither are racist bigots.
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So, I offer you a 10 dollar bill that is old and wrinkly. You turn it down because you already have a 5 dollar and 2 dollar bill, both of which are perfectly clean and neat. You wouldn't even need to get rid of the 5 or 2, you could have all three of the bills. But nah, you are good with what you got.
Godogma said:
And frankly Draco's family IS the one that keeps getting the charges dropped.
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One of them anyways. They aren't the only wrong-sorts out there. They aren't even the only group of wrong-sorts. Lots of wrong-sorts separate from the Death Eaters (like one Rita Skeeter).
 
Trondason said:
Draco is in the know on wizarding society, and who the various important and prominent figures are. He could clue us in.
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You know who else could clue Harry in? Susan Bones, Amelia Bone's niece who Harry knows is related to someone that maters. Harry doesn't actually know that Draco is anyone of importance.


Trondason said:
Yeah, they could be interpreted that way, but are probably not meant that way, nor would Harry interpret it that way.
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Harry has lived with verbally abusive nutjobs for as long as he can remember, he knows sarcasm and cutting behavior and bullies. He might not know a great deal about the wizarding world but he has a solid connection with Neville and Susan.
 
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