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So, something that occurred to me so far as some books that might potentially have rather useful non-magical skills that are useful in investigation, survival, etc. The Sherlock Holmes books, Arsène Lupin books, and various stories by H. P. Lovecraft (less for the supernatural abilities potentially gained and more for the skills of the investigators who survive the encounters). Seeing as all those are from the early 1900s (some even from the late 1800s) they should all exist in the present time of the story, and at least the first two groups listed should be readily available in England (and even Lovecraft's works could likely be found there with little trouble).

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Ishaq said:
The Harry Potter system is the most broken one. Just be patient, we didn't even get to Hogwarts yet.
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Most broken? Since when?

HP magic has probably the widest variety of utility spells and it is decent in one-on-one combat. It is also not limited by the need for spell preparation and there is no hard limit on how many times a day someone can cast a spell.

That said, it is lacking in all sorts of areas: resurrection spells, aoe combat spells, time magic, dimensional/astral travel, summoning - especially of extra planar creatures, wish, etc. It's magic items are significantly lacking in variety, especially for combat support/protection. And that's just in comparison to AD&D magic. 3.5 adds all sorts of spells, including one that Hermoine would kill for (Scholar's Touch).

The biggest thing about HP magic is how poorly defined it is.
 
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Marcus.D.Basterd said:
on that note can we grind Mage Sight by having it see the Sacrificial Protection on the back of our eyelids as we sleep?
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I think it only works by looking at the spell once just like in the Gamer Observing the same thing twice doesn't rank up Observe further, you need to start looking at new things in order to start earning anymore experience points. Once we see the sacrificial Protection we will probably stop earning any more ranks from staring at it.
 
Fredo said:
Most broken? Since when?

HP magic has probably the widest variety of utility spells and it is decent in one-on-one combat. It is also not limited by the need for spell preparation and there is no hard limit on how many times a day someone can cast a spell.

That said, it is lacking in all sorts of areas: resurrection spells, aoe combat spells, time magic, dimensional/astral travel, summoning - especially of extra planar creatures, wish, etc. It's magic items are significantly lacking in variety, especially for combat support/protection. And that's just in comparison to AD&D magic. 3.5 adds all sorts of spells, including one that Hermoine would kill for (Scholar's Touch).

The biggest thing about HP magic is how poorly defined it is.
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Are you serious?
Resurrection - Never heard of Inferius? Or the stone (One of the three hallows)?
Combat spells - Have you seen the Dumbledore VS Voldemort fight?
Time Magic - Don't know if you are trolling. Did you read the books? Prisoner of Askaban?
And that only of things that are 100% confirmed by the books.
 
Halpo133 said:
20 isn't top-class human. That's in D&D. Here 20 is rather low. 30-40 is average. 50-60 is peak human, above is superhuman.
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I was pulling that from The Gamer, not DnD. Mostly off the fact that Han Jee-Han started out with physical stats around 10. He wasn't very fit, but he wasn't very weak either. It seemed like twice him would be about it for what a human could do normally.
veekie said:
The issue is the Keeper might lose from Seeker winning early, since it can only counter, not attack.
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Not if we hit him with Quaffles/Bludgers.
Ishaq said:
Are you serious?
Resurrection - Never heard of Inferius? Or the stone (One of the three hallows)?
Combat spells - Have you seen the Dumbledore VS Voldemort fight?
Time Magic - Don't know if you are trolling. Did you read the books? Prisoner of Askaban?
And that only of things that are 100% confirmed by the books.
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Ressurection: Inferius are just zombies, not same thing. And the stone doesn't really resurrect people, just sorta summons their ghosts, if it even does that is arguable, given how little screen/page time it got.
Combat: And Hogwarts still stood afterwards, no mountains were crumbled, no laws of reality immutably altered, no gods slain, it over all wasn't that imprssive.
Time Magic: They are limited to stable time-travel, and only backwards for a maximum of 5 hours per day.
 
Ishaq said:
Are you serious?
Resurrection - Never heard of Inferius? Or the stone (One of the three hallows)?
Combat spells - Have you seen the Dumbledore VS Voldemort fight?
Time Magic - Don't know if you are trolling. Did you read the books? Prisoner of Askaban?
And that only of things that are 100% confirmed by the books.
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Wow, way to be unnecessarily harsh. o_O

Regarding resurrection, I'm not too familiar with the books but aren't inferius nothing more than monsters? And didn't the stone only let one speak to the dead, not actually bring them back? And that's ignoring the fact that there is only a single stone, so it certainly is lacking there.

For combat spells, I will point out that those were two ridiculously powerful wizards.

For time magic, the time turners really don't make much sense, and also don't allow you to do much when you go back (what with the whole loop thing).

So yeah, just because HP has things vaguely related to each of the above, doesn't mean that it isn't lacking in the subject.
 
Ishaq said:
Are you serious?
Resurrection - Never heard of Inferius? Or the stone (One of the three hallows)?
Combat spells - Have you seen the Dumbledore VS Voldemort fight?
Time Magic - Don't know if you are trolling. Did you read the books? Prisoner of Askaban?
And that only of things that are 100% confirmed by the books.
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Inferi are just zombies, and the resurrection stone is a unique item with limited powers- it explicitly can't genuinely resurrect people and can only summon back their shades in a sort of half-life. For combat, put Dumbledore against Nanoha or Shirou or Ebenezer McCoy or Marisa or an epic D&D wizard, and see how well he fares. For time magic, the only instance in the books is a short, stable loop- useful, certainly, but limited in what it can do.
 
On the subject of Time Turners, what do you all think of the odds of us getting one out of Dumbledore or McGonagall? One would be really useful in any grinding we would want to do, as well as attending more classes for more EXP.
 
Trondason said:
On the subject of Time Turners, what do you all think of the odds of us getting one out of Dumbledore or McGonagall? One would be really useful in any grinding we would want to do, as well as attending more classes for more EXP.
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Getting extremely good grades would help, if Hermione is any indication.
 
Brandark said:
Getting extremely good grades would help, if Hermione is any indication.
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Being a model student apparently isn't required, either- Hermione had set a teacher on fire, (supposedly) wandered off to hunt a troll, and brewed a potion that was almost certainly against school rules by the end of her second year.
 
@Halpo133 Do duplicates of skillbooks made with the Gemino Curse still count as skill-books?
If not, can we read the skill-book the old fashioned way, and still get the skill, while also not absorbing the book itself?
 
Trondason said:
I was pulling that from The Gamer, not DnD. Mostly off the fact that Han Jee-Han started out with physical stats around 10. He wasn't very fit, but he wasn't very weak either. It seemed like twice him would be about it for what a human could do normally.
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He also explains in character that 10-20 is normal intelligence for a human and that an int 23 is nothing to be ashamed of and does not mean that green haired girl is stupid. (her low wis is what makes her stupid. *cue beatdown*)
That being said, an example is given of a completely normal human genius (the class rep) whose int is in the 60s despite being completely non magical and not the smartest baseline human in the world
 
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mrttao said:
He also explains in character that 10-20 is normal intelligence for a human and that an int 23 is nothing to be ashamed of and does not mean that green haired girl is stupid. (her low wis is what makes her stupid. *cue beatdown*)
That being said, an example is given of a completely normal human genius (the class rep) whose int is in the 60s despite being completely non magical and not the smartest baseline human in the world
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Intelligence might not be bound to the same limits. I mean, people can't generally make themselves smarter the same way they can make themselves stronger.

Anyways, different topic, anyone know how much more time we got until Hogwarts starts? Because we should do another shopping trip before then, see if there are any magical items or whatnot that we want. Particularly down Knock-turn Alley, if we can, they should have all sorts of interesting stuff down there. (I'm looking in your general direction, Vanishing Cabinet).
 
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Trondason said:
Anyways, different topic, anyone know how much more time we got until Hogwarts starts? Because we should do another shopping trip before then, see if there are any magical items or whatnot that we want. Particularly down Knock-turn Alley, if we can, they should have all sorts of interesting stuff down there. (I'm looking in your general direction, Vanishing Cabinet).
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One more week. Harry's birthday is at the end of July and school starts on September 1st.
 
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