I think it's sad to realize that if we sent him to a "worse" off Primarch, he'd actually be in a better position because his spite and anger would've kept him going. Instead, he was told that this guy was on his side...and Angron proceeded to just go fucking apeshit. His perspective on his allies being guys like Angron did more damage than if he had been working for Perturabo or Lion.
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The Lost Primarch Quest
- Thread starter Daemon Hunter
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I would also really stress my "Transparency" policy in case things go pear shaped and someone gets cold feet. If Kesar is going to turn his blade, he must never fear his back
What happened was that the Primarchs took a minute to look around them and realize, "Can't we do better than just this?" Even guys like Lion and Dorn are wondering that because of all the shit they have to deal with now.
Everyone involved isn't interested in destroying the foundation for what many do see as the beginning of the greatest galactic empire since the ancient Aeldari...but just about everyone is aware that the system that got us this far has gone from being a handicap to a real and dangerous threat towards that new galactic order they all seek.
Daemon also didn't pull any punches when he gave us a "high scaling" of the setting, that being more ships and troops and everything...including all the problems with the scale. Suddenly the human suffering that was being waged was on an unprecedented level and to the point that a few people, not just Primarchs, could no longer ignore it.
The crazy thing was that this isn't an example of people waking up to reality. They always knew. But having to confront it, especially as it is now getting in the way of progress, means that everyone wants to implement their solution. In the end, it wasn't some bullshit Chaos plot or the whims of some other force but just the most powerful people in the galaxy making decisions that are now all starting to collide.
But as mentioned before, the silver lining in this situation is that everyone is looking to "fix" or re-evaluate what needs to be done, and for reasons that are pretty much understandable and even sympathetic. So there is that.
Everyone involved isn't interested in destroying the foundation for what many do see as the beginning of the greatest galactic empire since the ancient Aeldari...but just about everyone is aware that the system that got us this far has gone from being a handicap to a real and dangerous threat towards that new galactic order they all seek.
Daemon also didn't pull any punches when he gave us a "high scaling" of the setting, that being more ships and troops and everything...including all the problems with the scale. Suddenly the human suffering that was being waged was on an unprecedented level and to the point that a few people, not just Primarchs, could no longer ignore it.
The crazy thing was that this isn't an example of people waking up to reality. They always knew. But having to confront it, especially as it is now getting in the way of progress, means that everyone wants to implement their solution. In the end, it wasn't some bullshit Chaos plot or the whims of some other force but just the most powerful people in the galaxy making decisions that are now all starting to collide.
But as mentioned before, the silver lining in this situation is that everyone is looking to "fix" or re-evaluate what needs to be done, and for reasons that are pretty much understandable and even sympathetic. So there is that.
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I recall the book on daemons that Magnus shared with us that we decided to seal away in case of emergencies due to it being too corruptive. Seeing as we are now immune to Chaos corruption thanks to narrative CR would we be able to better fight daemons by having Kesar and hero Wardens read the book?
Nicholas Brooks
Redeemer and Destroyer
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I forgot about that one. Yeah as the new Anathema we should actually suffer no penalties to learning this kind of thing so we can take a look
Edit: On discord said we'd still lose the CR. We just have narrative CR to fall back on now in place of numerical CR
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You would still suffer a CR penalty reading it, although you'd still have the narrative CR.
September 25, 2022 Omake Rewards
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Alright, omakes. First up a fun planet survey:
[X] +2 to a roll of the GM's choice
Then we have a neat PRT assessment of the Imperium, always fun to see these.
[X] Upgrades prior reward to a +5
Alright, and now we return to the unending horde of Mysterio's omakes. Thankfully, these are short, which makes it easier. That being said, they are always fun.
2. [X] +2 to a roll in the Maelstrom
3. [X] +2 to a roll in the Maelstrom
4. [X] +2 to a roll in the Maelstrom
5. [X] +2 to a roll in the Maelstrom
6. [X] +2 to a roll in the Maelstrom
7. [X] +2 to a roll in the Maelstrom
8. [X] +2 to a roll in the Maelstrom
9. [X] +2 to a roll in the Maelstrom
10. [X] +2 to a roll in the Maelstrom
And next we have more omakes, this time also covering Malcador and Mortarion to a certain extent
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5. [X] +2 to a roll in the Maelstrom
6. [X] +2 to a roll in the Maelstrom
7. [X] +2 to a roll in the Maelstrom
8. [X] +2 to a roll in the Maelstrom
9. [X] +2 to a roll in the Maelstrom
10. [X] +2 to a roll in the Maelstrom
And then we have yet more omakes to add to the omake horde. Well, here I am, literally nine months after this was posted, finally getting to it.
2. +5 to a roll of the GM's choice
4. [X] +2 to a roll in the Maelstrom
5. [X] +2 to a roll in the Maelstrom
6. [X] +2 to a roll in the Maelstrom
7. [X] +2 to a roll in the Maelstrom
8. [X] +2 to a roll in the Maelstrom
9. [X] +2 to a roll in the Maelstrom
10. [X] +2 to a roll in the Maelstrom
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In that case would htere be any real benefit to Kesar reading the book?
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Yes and no. Magnus' book is more related to providing an academic look at various denizens of the warp. As a result, that tends to be useful from a purely theoretical point of view, although not for what Kesar does.
To bad Ravenloft doesn't really have anyone that can withstand the corruption gain, otherwise that'd be really useful for them.
I suppose if Corvus let's Kesar in on the Ravenloft thing then Kesar might be able to make an edited version of the Book for them
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[X] Plan: 95 Theses (With Enjou write in)
Strongly agree on the above points. @Ruirk sorry if its already implicitly there, I feel in your write-in, probably as an opening to why we think diplomacy is the way to go, we need to ensure/remind all Primarchs attending and Kelbor of how we arrived here, and why we are surprised that Mortarion an Kelbor are already planning for a civil war.
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Alright, seems it's rather unanimous. Calling the vote here.
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I do find it ironic that despite Lion acknowledging that the Primarchs are all part of the Emperor that he is outright dismissing that many of said 'parts' are disagreeing with him on a number of things. And if many of the Emperors 'own parts' are getting to the point of rebellion than that says a lot in itself. Wonder what his response would be to that that pointed out to him?
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He'd argue along the lines that some parts of a person are less desirable than others. Fear is a wasteful emotion, while determination is useful. Essentially things along those lines.
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But isn't he likely biased? After all he seems to think lowly of 'normal' humans while Primarchs like Guilliman, Sanguinius, Kesar and Vulkan actually greatly value humanity. Even Angron cared greatly for his likely human companions who he viewed as family.
What if half the Primarchs disagree with the Emperor? Would he think that the Emperor should get rid of half of his whole being? Would he think that the other parts would agree with that if he did decide that? Would he be fine wit the Emperor waging war to what is essentially 'against himself'?
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Lion is absolutely biased, he just doesn't consider that factor to matter here.
As for that situation, he would think that way. Generally Lion is the type of person that would genuinely consider empathy for others to be an issue that gets in the way of logical decisions. And so he would be fine with it.
He'd probably remark that he does have empathy towards others, like Dorn and Luther, but that is because they are highly capable and skilled individuals that are dedicated to the mission.
Lion no doubt values a select few individuals, and probably would quietly admit that he knows it is difficult for people to like him, but he's also of the mindset of "I don't need people to like me, they just need to follow me."
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In that case we could use that argument against him since by that logic he is likely the part that is 'logic over emotion' and/or one of the parts that is ironically detached from humanity since he doesn't see himself as human.
On top of that that point of view is considered extremely flawed since like it or not humans are made up of numerous parts. And without those parts a person is blinded heavily to others viewpoints. Which leads them to making easily avoidable mistakes that anyone with real empathy would have been able to realize. Even the Emperor right after regaining a bit of his empathy realized how stupid his treatment of his sons were since he could then see the issue.
The argument could be made that the other parts in the Primarchs are meant to act as altering viewpoints and understanding of humanity that he no longer lacks. Since otherwise his own lack of understanding of humanity makes leaves him unable to truly understand humans and thus lead to making mistakes thanks to lacking true understanding in areas.
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Lion would actually argue that's not empathy, but rather him doing a cost-benefit analysis showing that their well-being is valuable.
You could definitely use it as an argument against him, it's just Lion is an extremely stubborn individual. Actually convincing him of the validity of your argument will be a massive chore. And these are definitely valid points, which certainly help, it's just a lot of people in universe would recommend not bothering with the effort for Lion.