The Lords of Ruin -- Battletech/Killzone
- Thread starter prometheus110
- Start date
- Crossover
- Location
- Africa
on one hand letting the Confederation retake its mandate worlds plus the industrial support we have/are giving them will guarantee they end up dominating ORDI if they stay part of it by virtue of their their greater population ,resources ,number of hospitable worlds , industry and the sheer force projection those will allow them
on the other hand , a resurgent Confederation would hamstring both the FWL and the FedSun's own force projection options since they will have to tie up more forces at the Confederation borders making things safer and more stable for the periphery as their will be less to fear of inner sphere imperialism
I say if we help the Confederation then we shouldn't let them stay part of ORDI , have trade , none aggression pacts and diplomatic dealing with them sure ,but they can't stay a member else we will end up their client states in but name plus it will all but guarantee we will end up being dragged into the wars of the inner sphere
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It might let us back door our way into full on Battle armor via Mec troopers.
View: https://youtu.be/_f55QFVx470
Though we will need a law that says the goverment must provide high quality priority medical care for any solider who gets combat augmentions of any kind because we do not want people with impossible to remove implants such as sub dermal armor feeling like the goverment ditched them.
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The government already knows that making super soldiers and then pissing them off it is bad I imagine.
I am leery of having a super-soldier program, I mean, those kind of programs tend to be highly unethical mainly because they force their candidates to go through irreversible changes (XCOM's mech soldier get their extremities chopped off, Halo spartans get gene-therapy, 40k space marines don't need an explanation...) and we don't have an existential threat to justify such desperate measures (the Clans don't count, they don't seem as bad as the Covenant, for example).
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- Africa
its exclusively for our special forces , the missions they are meant to take tend be the most risky , deadly and dangerous , It doesn't feel right denying them an advantage that might save their lives just because we are feeling fussy about morals doubly since I am pretty sure those augments are volunteer only(since why wouldn't they be , we wouldn't want to tank their moral after all) , besides if people want to be cyborgs then so be it , its their body they can do what they like with it
Nottheunmaker
Altman be praised
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- USG Ishimura
Canopians have stasis pods. We can put any of their regular limbs and organs they'd want back in storage and have them ready to go once they're done with military service. We can have Dead Space style arm draws! Nicely labeled and everything.
As for the Capellan deal, I think it's worth keeping in mind that the Confederation might not want those worlds back, at least not yet. They're still rebuilding their industry, and their military, though that's being done pretty quietly. The Mandate worlds seem to have been Fortified, but not rebuilt. Whoever does takes those worlds is stuck footing the bill. They'll be happy to have a bunch of small or micro states, so long as they can get something like a southern boarder to the rest of the ORDI. They can't get full membership without that, they'll want something that leaves room for them to link up.
So... who's up for rebuilding our fighter cockpits to keep our pilots effective up to 24gs?
If you are breathing air and suspended in fluid you can handle gLOC at 24g. If you are breathing orientated fluid it shoots up to 100.
www.esa.int
This combed with our grav tech means we could have pilots functionally immune to G Force issues.
Edit fun fact Jell-o works for this trick as it's a gel. You can even a lesser version with insulation foam if you can break out of It after. So we could do this with power armor drop pods
If you are breathing air and suspended in fluid you can handle gLOC at 24g. If you are breathing orientated fluid it shoots up to 100.
Liquid Ventilation and Water Immersion
Is there an example design in nature for the perfect acceleration shield? In effect, there is, and it is the egg. We studied the coupling of water immersion with liquid breathing as a possible approach for the “perfect G suit”.
www.esa.int
This combed with our grav tech means we could have pilots functionally immune to G Force issues.
Edit fun fact Jell-o works for this trick as it's a gel. You can even a lesser version with insulation foam if you can break out of It after. So we could do this with power armor drop pods
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10mmx40mm Guass repeaters as our new PAL service rifle?
The shots would be Tungstan carbide tipped steel darts.
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Ridli Scott
(Verified acid sweater mutant)
- Location
- The Periphery
SoD broken. Coups and Civil Wars are thuesday in the evening TV show in the League.
That's why it's hard. They having keeping those from crippling then down to a science.
Nottheunmaker
Altman be praised
- Location
- USG Ishimura
I think the hard part is getting them to stop saying "Glory to Marik!" whenever they stab the most recent Marik.
Likely higher than a 100gs, then there is the potential for improved vision as our eyes developed underwater in the first place. Do to the refraction of light when it moves between air and water our vision has not been quite as good as it was before we evolved to live on land. We could have ultra high fidelity screens and cameras synced so that our pilots can use that improved vision, in addition to the other suite of sensors we are giving them in the new craft, to give them an additional edge in combat.
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KnightofTempest
The Man who would be King
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- Chicago
@prometheus110
Can we build Guardian Pocket WarShips now that we have Capital Lasers?
Cause if so I think we should
Can we build Guardian Pocket WarShips now that we have Capital Lasers?
Cause if so I think we should
Genolution
Hello there
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- [DATA EXPUNGED]
We would need subcapital lasers, not capital lasers.
OpSihg_Stabr
Crazy (Evil) Genius
Personally I would want us to make a (Pocket) Warship with 'Standard' Non-Petrusite techs
The long-held thinking of mine is that we can use it as the basis for combat vessels that we can approach with a more 'Quantity over Quality' methodology, at least compared to our Petrusite based stuff. Or at least we can eventually make a shift to lessening our 'without failsafes' reliance on Petrusite of the (EXTREME) Long Term.
I agree, but we don't have those yet.
We should REALLY to getting those when the Research slots free up again...
Just the 24gs is going to be a huge advantage for maneuverability and still be comfortable for the pilots since i imagine switching between breathing fluid and air to be a annoying process.
*starts cackling over what I'm cooking up with Forgothrax in PM* The Starling is gonna knock some people's socks off.
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- his hidden lair
There's the passive aggressive brinkmanship where we try and seize control over the entire operation.... Why are you just trying to snub them? Do you think we're the only ones in the room bright enough to see how this is trying to blatantly take advantage of their resources and lock them out of any dividend? What are you going to do when they say 'yeah... we have no incentive to collaborate in that case' and now have a vested interest in not keeping us in the loop?
It's almost cartoonish. We're not their fucking boss. We're not even first among equals in ORDI. And you're trying to tell them we have to have final authority over what propaganda get's printed on the former worlds of the CC? I'll admit its fully realistic for even a humanitarian republic's efforts to build an international coalition to break down over blatant power grabs and dick measuring contests but somehow I don't think that's the point.
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- Location
- Northish
For real black book operations we can build a decently sized station in dark space with a nuclear fail-safe system. The military has plenty of training fields and we can still use the ice ball if the gravity is decent. We need any clay we can get and plant people on even if we have to build an orbital mirror network. With the technical gap steadily shrinking the danger of becoming a small industrious fish in a large pond.
Omega-Chris
The Friendly Ghost
This is why i want to bring the entire ORDI into this. They need to know what our plan is for the mandate. It will also help balance out what ever the capellans have planed for the mandate (which is likely trying to reabsorb them).
But i do hold the position that the capellans can not be allowed to re absorb the mandate. It would make them to powerful and lead to imbalance in ORDI. And if they leave ORDI they just become another rival just like the other great houses. Don't get me wrong the capellans in there current state make for good allies but do not make the mistake to forget what they are. There a "former" great house if they see any opportunity to regain some of there former glory they will take it no matter who stands in there way. As the ultimate goal of all great houses is to re establish the star league with them at the top. It may not be in there generation but some day there family will rule.
I'm with Karugus, the Capellans aren't going to just roll over and accept that the Celestial Mandate is not getting reintegrated, in fact, it is beyond absurd to think that even if we were to succeed in maintaining them divided (in two different states) that they would decide to still be our allies when we would be the main engineers of that divide or that dividing the Capellans won't cause a war in the long run, after all, neither of the two Liao branches have renounced to being the rulers of the Capellan Confederation.
If we want to stop the Capellans from reuniting the best we can do is to stop giving them material aid in reindustraliazing and transform the Mandate into a Republic through a coup, even then, the best we can hope is a North Korea-South Korea situation which is not ideal, at all.
Moving on, there's also the obsession with population. Yes, the Helghan Republic is not as big or populated as other ORDI states but we still have an scary amount of soft power, after all, the taurian reactionaries are not that far from the truth; Republican ideas are spreading through ORDI like a wildfire which means that when we lose our economical and military edge we will still be the cultural heart of ORDI.
If we want to stop the Capellans from reuniting the best we can do is to stop giving them material aid in reindustraliazing and transform the Mandate into a Republic through a coup, even then, the best we can hope is a North Korea-South Korea situation which is not ideal, at all.
Moving on, there's also the obsession with population. Yes, the Helghan Republic is not as big or populated as other ORDI states but we still have an scary amount of soft power, after all, the taurian reactionaries are not that far from the truth; Republican ideas are spreading through ORDI like a wildfire which means that when we lose our economical and military edge we will still be the cultural heart of ORDI.
Omega-Chris
The Friendly Ghost
Honestly all our options regarding the mandate are not great. Some are better than others but all of them have downsides.
Regardless of what happens to the mandate we should probably keep following Retired Explorers idea and keep spreading our culture around to make sure our allies think similar to us so the bond of friendship can keep growing.
Regardless of what happens to the mandate we should probably keep following Retired Explorers idea and keep spreading our culture around to make sure our allies think similar to us so the bond of friendship can keep growing.
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- Northish
The Tauran Concordant alone has been a sovereign state for over 700 years with a identity forged in hellish war and mutual struggle. Our cultural influence might at best create talking points in minor local elections. The idea that we are going to change the cultural center of the nations around us is like saying 1980s Japan could redefine what it meant to be an American. Population means growth, more scientists, more soldiers, and more industry. All things we need more of to still be relevant in the coming decades instead of being reduced to a tech piggy bank with decent a export volume.