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The Lords of Ruin -- Battletech/Killzone

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A cliffhanger!?!?! noooo!
Maybe it's regarding our teleportation tech, as in they were alarmed and wanted to discuss the matter before talking to us so as to present a united front regarding whatever their desires/concerns are?
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Anyway, I've only been reading the updates and not discussion, but one impressions I've taken away is that we build ships fast (like, that's the thing Helegen is good at to an outsized degree), but have a hard cap on how many we can support.

Maybe it might be useful to build replacement ships for the other polities (except Federated Suns, who wouldn't/can't accept such an offer for understandable reasons - I'm thinking the Lysans (or some different polity further from the front line) build ships for them, and we build extra for that polity?


The polities can pay us in... whatever is cheapest for them in terms of effort/logistics: the resources for an extra AP next turn, donate an action or two into the pit of reconstruction, an extra AP, influence, or even maybe an extra AP

(The secret is that if they can't really pay us now for the ships I'd be fine with a 'um, whatever. sometime later maybe (or we even write it off completly))
 
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Also, it's worth noting that the next update will likely be delayed as I have to write the bloody thing.
 
prometheus110 said:
Seventy kilometres from the rearmost ORDI ship, five kilometres from the nearest fighter, a button on the Sassanid's bridge registered a press, and an electrical impulse flowed from the targeting computer to a single purpose-built chamber at the ship's core.

There was a radio howl.

There was a magnetic quake.

There was an emerald flash.
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… that was a fire ship. A Petrucite Fire Ship. But here's the real question: Why sit on it? Why only one?

If we managed to destroy the other examples and this was just the only one managed to launch, that'd be one thing. But all that material, concentrated onto one Dropship?

I think whoever's the new IlKhan has an affection for the Pentomic Army. If the Clan had won that naval battle?

I think they intended to drop that on Skandia. Break our fortifications and erase the stain of losing by radiation.

prometheus110 said:
However, much to the confusion of intelligence leaders in the Republic, the Coyote-held world of Pasig has seen a similarly violent but substantially more effective spate of sabotage occur against occupying forces, the most notable of which has been some manner of fast-acting and intensely lethal gas deployed against a Coyote barracks that has reportedly killed a Star and a half worth of MechWarriors. While such an act would ordinarily be presumed to be the work of Lyran saboteurs or local forces, the lack of similar actions on other worlds and the sheer effectiveness and complexity of the attack has left the ORDI puzzled as to who could be responsible.
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Remember when we said we were in favor of developing anti-Clan bioweapons?

Five C-Bills says the Magistry is secretly gathering everyone because they want to keep their metaphorical fully armed and operational battle station from being common knowledge. Especially if they suggest finding the Clan homeworlds and doing horrible things to them.
 
Do we even have a reserve navy any more after those monstrous losses? We're bleeding ships faster than we can build them! Remember that ultimately the Clan Invasion is secondary. We'll always need more and more and more ships, more than our capacity can actually hold, for the next time the Federated Suns turn their eyes to the outback. Maybe even the FWL will try to get in on the action next time.
 
Always Late said:
I think they intended to drop that on Skandia. Break our fortifications and erase the stain of losing by radiation.
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Worse if that ship had been dropped on Skandia we likely would have had a terracide on our hands completely destroying the planet in the process. After all the explosion was green implying it was Irradiated Petrustite that was stuffed into the dropship.

Always Late said:
Five C-Bills says the Magistry is secretly gathering everyone because they want to keep their metaphorical fully armed and operational battle station from being common knowledge. Especially if they suggest finding the Clan homeworlds and doing horrible things to them.
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I can see that being the case. And it's likely Comstars plan is also to assault the Clan Homeworlds so if were lucky and that is the case we can combine those plans.

always_confused said:
Do we even have a reserve navy any more after those monstrous losses?
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We prepared for this during the last Standard Turn and constructed 16 ships to replace ships that where potentially destroyed or damaged. Not to mention we have 32 Nocti in total so we can pull a few from other sectors and send them to reinforce. And with the clans having basically lost the entirety of the navy send to the Innersphere and not having that many more in reserves we likely now have free reign to dictate engagements in our corridor. Also the Clans lost ships that where wayyy harder to build then our Nocti are so their not going to be replacing their losses anytime soon.
 
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Always Late said:
How many more bombs can the Clans make?
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That's the big question and one we don't really have a answer for. But if we take ourselves as a example they can make a lot of bombs if they have a world like Helghan but the problem will be transporting them. With their fleet devastated tactical mobility has essentially been lost especially when the ORDI replacement ships for those destroyed arrive. This will allow us to freely target any Clan jump ship we can find and potentially even start a counter assault against the Clans now that their forces can't maneuver without potentially being picked off by our ships.
 
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I can already imagine the politicam mess that Operation Santiago has become. On the one hand, Helghan citizens died killing fascist invaders, on the other hand, Helghan citizens died defending a fascist regime. Furthermore, they died on a far away war in which the republic has no stakes.

Abandoning the war effort right now is certainly going to be popular with a lot of people, that said it doesn't seem like a good idea.

We basically are in a similar position to World War 1 Russia. The war is almost over, and if we remain for a bit longer, we could all the rewards of victory. The problem is that the war is increasingly controversial (a good number of the population want peace) and immediate peace would sour our relations with the Inner Sphere. Good relations with the IS could stop many nations from suporting the Feds when they decide to invade the Outback.​
 
Retired Explorer said:
can already imagine the politicam mess that Operation Santiago has become. On the one hand, Helghan citizens died killing fascist invaders, on the other hand, Helghan citizens died defending a fascist regime. Furthermore, they died on a far away war in which the republic has no stakes
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The Free Rasalhague Republic and Lyrans where most of our fighting has been going on are in no way fascist regimes with the FRR being a democracy a unique one but a democracy none the less. Also our relations with the Lyrans have always been pretty good not anything great but descend enough. It's the Combine where I somewhat agree with you even though their still not fascist just a heavily imperialistic empire.

Retired Explorer said:
bandoning the war effort right now is certainly going to be popular with a lot of people, that said it doesn't seem like a good idea.
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It's currently incredibly unclear how the population feels about the situation but we know that the other ORDI powers populations are likely still up in arms if the Canopians are anything to go by. Though the revelation that the Clans where trying to do a suicide run with a dropship filled with Irradiated Petrusite that would have similar effects as the detonation that caused translocation of Helghan we can likely fully rally support again for the Clans pulling such a dispicable act.
 
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Omega-Chris said:
Worse if that ship had been dropped on Skandia we likely would have had a terracide on our hands completely destroying the planet in the process. After all the explosion was green implying it was Irradiated Petrustite that was stuffed into the dropship.
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No, it wouldn't have. The terracide required an entire planet stuffed full of both normal and irradiated Petrusite. This would have "merely" wiped out a region the size of Belgium if it was fired at the planet... which it wasn't.
 
prometheus110 said:
No, it wouldn't have. The terracide required an entire planet stuffed full of both normal and irradiated Petrusite. This would have "merely" wiped out a region the size of Belgium if it was fired at the planet... which it wasn't.
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Ah okay thank you for the clarification. It would still have been hella bad but not as bad as I though it would have been. Still we can use the simple fact the Clans tried to do this as a major propaganda point. Like what the Clans have done up until now is bad but this takes the cake even if it was ultimately unsuccessful. Also makes me wonder who the IlKhan is to authorize such a act.
 
zezia said:
At what point are we defending a fascist regime? We are protecting Rasalhague and the Commonwealth nether are fascist.
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Omega-Chris said:
The Free Rasalhague Republic and Lyrans where most of our fighting has been going on are in no way fascist regimes with the FRR being a democracy a unique one but a democracy none the less.
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You're both right when saying that calling them fascists is not correct but I'm intentionally simplifying. We could start an argument on how the Lyran monarchy is not fascism and how the Rasalhague is the only democracy but that's not my point. As I said, I'm purposefully simplifying and exaggerating to properly represent the potential divisiveness of the subject at hand (the war).

I admit that this is my fault, I should have been more clear.​
Omega-Chris said:
It's currently incredibly unclear how the population feels about the situation but we know that the other ORDI powers populations are likely still up in arms if the Canopians are anything to go by. Though the revelation that the Clans where trying to do a suicide run with a dropship filled with Irradiated Petrusite that would have similar effects as the detonation that caused translocation of Helghan we can likely fully rally support again for the Clans pulling such a dispicable act.
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We might or we might not (rally support), the whole point of my post is not to support anti-war or pro-war positions. Ultimately, what I wanted was to initiate a discussion on what we should do.

Personally, I'm a stubborn person, my first reaction is to support the current government and continue with the war. On the other hand, I'm a very stubborn person, so I'm likely to fall on the sunken cost fallacy. I (for the moment) support continueing the war but this is just feellings, not a well thought out opinion.​
 
Retired Explorer said:
You're both right when saying that calling them fascists is not correct but I'm intentionally simplifying. We could start an argument on how the Lyran monarchy is not fascism and how the Rasalhague is the only democracy but that's not my point. As I said, I'm purposefully simplifying and exaggerating to properly represent the potential divisiveness of the subject at hand (the war).

I admit that this is my fault, I should have been more clear.
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But at no point so far has the public protested of us defending either of them due to political differences. At most, any protest is due to war weariness.
 
So yeah we won the naval battle even if we took losses? Though should we assume that Clan forces are now missing a substantial amount of Naval forces to contest with us? And if so should we not launch a counter-attack to retake as many FRR worlds as we can at this time?

Beyond that I think we've basically secured all the tech we could possible want from the clans.
 
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Retired Explorer said:
We might or we might not (rally support), the whole point of my post is not to support anti-war or pro-war positions. Ultimately, what I wanted was to initiate a discussion on what we should do.
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I agree with you that we should continue the war but how depends on what Canopians and Comstar have in mind. If their suggestions aren't anything good I suggest we launch a counter assault into occupied FRR space. With the Clans navy being basically destroyed we have supreme tactical movement thanks to the warships we still have and are going to send to replace the destroyed or damaged ones.
 
It seems we should expect a vote as to what to do with the warship wrecks. Personally, Im all for selling and salvaging them and giving the proceeds to Rasalhague. Or fixing some up and donating them to the Free Republic. We may as well go further all-in for them.
 
abominable said:
It seems we should expect a vote as to what to do with the warship wrecks. Personally, Im all for selling and salvaging them and giving the proceeds to Rasalhague. Or fixing some up and donating them to the Free Republic. We may as well go further all-in for them.
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Agree with this. Maybe we can even go as far as refit some of the shielded ships with more advanced shields and pet cannons. Give the Rasalhagueians some extra means to protect themselves.
 
The FRR has no ability to maintain even sub-million tonner vessels and I'm not willing to sell anything larger than a light cruiser to the LC or FWL. We should strip or refurbish everything worth while and maybe sell the Frigates and Destroyers / sub-million ton Cruisers to the LC and hand the proceeds over to the FRR. But the battleships and the like? Cannibalize what we can't refit and relocate what we can.
 
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I cant find a solid number, but some estimates are 300 vessels in the combined Clan navy. The Potato Fleet combined with Trell is roughly a sixth of the Clans' naval arm and an even bigger portion of the navy actually able to be allocated to offensive operations.

You also need to account for home defense, logistical escorts and garrisons. 50 of an assumed 300-strong naval force just got trashed. A lot of the tonnage also included the heaviest hulls as well.

This may not be the game changer, but it definitely hurts the clans. We can recover from our losses much better than they can. Our real problem, as always, is morale.

On the other hand, if it hadn't happened before, we've certainly branded ourselves on the Clan consciousness now.

And we certainly gave Naval clanners a greater challenge than they ever expected for REVIVAL.
 
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