The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

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Another thing we can divine is the Fortress of the Soulless location...

If we can contact the Assasin Temples there is a great potential for a new alliance there.
 
Yeah I am keeping the triple down on the Chaos ritual. As word of Durin it will be -100 to -150. So we will need the triple down since at the worst with the triple down it will be a 55 chance of success, 70 with reroll , if we get a reroll since Tzeentch will be involved . We may not get a reroll since actions in the past against Tzeentch do not get a reroll.
 
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Ok so what I am getting is people do not want to do research and just do a focus divination on the admech conservatives . Cries at the lack of Ridicully research.
I do want to get Ridcully's research done, but the situation with the AdMech conservatives is arguably the most pressing threat to the Imperial Trust at the moment. The Chaos Ritual is very dangerous, certainly, but it will take a lot of time and resources to pull off, and there will be opposition from basically everyone - the Eldar, Necrons, Imperial Remnants etc. By contrast, the situation with the AdMech conservatives is already at boiling point, and could erupt at almost any time, and is an imminent threat to us.
 
the ritual won't happen for 90+ years minimum. We can get the details on it later

the admech civil war might be happening NOW.
 
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The civil war is still decades to a century away. And with the unrest going down in 2 years that adds even more time to that clock.
True, but someone brought up the idea of intentionally setting off the admech civil war, after doing some actions to look into the conservatives and what they'd do, in an effort to effectively catch them in the act before they were ready, and hopefully before they could really screw everything up. When asked about it, Durin said it was risky, as opposed to stupid. Which were the two options given. So... that might be an option to make it happen faster, which i kinda like, if we can get Ridcully to divine it.
 
True, but someone brought up the idea of intentionally setting off the admech civil war, after doing some actions to look into the conservatives and what they'd do, in an effort to effectively catch them in the act before they were ready, and hopefully before they could really screw everything up. When asked about it, Durin said it was risky, as opposed to stupid. Which were the two options given. So... that might be an option to make it happen faster, which i kinda like, if we can get Ridcully to divine it.
The longer it takes the weaker the conservative forces of the admech become. They are losing ground on a fronts and the plan is to have moderates be placed in charge of the infrastructure for the Trust instead of trying to put progressives in high ranked positions.
 
The longer it takes the weaker the conservative forces of the admech become. They are losing ground on a fronts and the plan is to have moderates be placed in charge of the infrastructure for the Trust instead of trying to put progressives in high ranked positions.
That was the plan since forever ago, I remember Rotbart advising Scott to do just that not long after Britton's death. But I think at this point every moderate is already tentatively progressive, just because conservatives radicalized so much.
 
Problem is that something may set off the civil war early which would be a problem.
And what can set it off? We aren't going to do the deal with the Queens for underhives and since I doubt the Trolls are going to have enough to warrant the tech trade we won't be doing that anyways. We aren't doing any admech actions that will increase unrest or give the conservative factions anything to work from.
 
And what can set it off? We aren't going to do the deal with the Queens for underhives and since I doubt the Trolls are going to have enough to warrant the tech trade we won't be doing that anyways. We aren't doing any admech actions that will increase unrest or give the conservative factions anything to work from.
The problem is that it has gone up with things that were out of our control. From the death of high level conservatives to the conservatives just panicking at their shrinking numbers making them paranoid that they are being targeted by everyone else.
 
Ultimate Void shields still has a -28 chance of success. Also double down is being used by Telepathica.
Already mentioned, but yeah fundamentals.

Have we ever gotten a confirmation that yes the forge empire is designing the Titans? Cause I don't remember that ever being a thing. And even if they are they are not Avernus style ones which are built with a higher-tech base than even the forge Empire? We are now a level 19 tech military+ civilisation after all.
Its my own guess that the empire that uses titans as a fundamental part of their armed forces and sees them as the living avatars of their god are almost certainly going to be investing resources to upgrade them...

And yes they will be, they are a tech level 19 civilisation with the same tech we have and Tranth's Warlord design.

sparks is the thing we are getting next which is a good thing means the light is rising dawn means the light has won and the long night has past
Yes, however Dawn means that a faction is going to win, but it doesn't have to be a good faction.

Green Dawn for example.
 
Oh, @Nurgle we may want to use a diplo slot getting the VG in contact with the Saurus so people like Horatius and Julius can get nice shiny Saurus gear for themselves. As well as lower tier gear for the rest of the Astartes.
 
No we were told that they would be boosted by two levels by the time of the next conclave while we got boosted by one level.
That's full tech implementation, they're still perfectly capable of selectively using higher levels of tech, you know like the admech normally do. Or are they somehow incapable of using our tech level 19 titan because they're at level 17?
 
That's full tech implementation, they're still perfectly capable of selectively using higher levels of tech, you know like the admech normally do. Or are they somehow incapable of using our tech level 19 titan because they're at level 17?
No Doom that is not what I am saying. I am saying that they don't have the full workup and background to make the Titans to the level we can. You keep saying that they have a paragon for Titans when you are forgetting that paragon are still very rare outside of combat and that learning is even more rare then that. And we are 19 military+ which means our military tech which Titans fall under is even higher than our base 19.
 
No Doom that is not what I am saying. I am saying that they don't have the full workup and background to make the Titans to the level we can. You keep saying that they have a paragon for Titans when you are forgetting that paragon are still very rare outside of combat and that learning is even more rare then that. And we are 19 military+ which means our military tech which Titans fall under is even higher than our base 19.
And you seem to be forgetting that we gave them all our tech, they have the full work up we're not giving it to them over time they have everything to make titans at our level including Tranth's own designs, this is not a debateable fact.

When did I ever say definitively that they had one? What I have said repeatedly is that all the polities have vastly more paragons than us due to scale if nothing more and that Callamus is likely to have far many learning paragons due to having more of a research orientation than most. Similarly a titan specialist paragon is very likely in a polity which specialises in titans these are not unreasonable assumptions.

Yes, and now they too are a tech level 19 with military specialisation, because that's what we gave them there is no debate on this.
 
And you seem to be forgetting that we gave them all our tech, they have the full work up we're not giving it to them over time they have everything to make titans at our level including Tranth's own designs, this is not a debateable fact.

When did I ever say definitively that they had one? What I have said repeatedly is that all the polities have vastly more paragons than us due to scale if nothing more and that Callamus is likely to have far many learning paragons due to having more of a research orientation than most. Similarly a titan specialist paragon is very likely in a polity which specialises in titans these are not unreasonable assumptions.

Yes, and now they too are a tech level 19 with military specialisation, because that's what we gave them there is no debate on this.
The thing is that every time Tranth either reaches a technological capstone, or he manages to upgrade a full set of designs he gets a trait that increases his learning and provides a flat bonus to research and/or upgrades...

I consider this a good enough reason to try to get all the Hellheim Titan Designs...
 
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