The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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Alright, guys, this isn't complicated. We got a bad roll. We'll talk to Tormod again later after some time has passed, patch things up, and hopefully he'll get hitched and have a few kids during the timeskip. If not, or if his kids are incompetent or unworthy, we'll get a different heir from the other characters who we know about. Even Freya was fine with the Governorship going to someone not of the bloodline if it prevented an incompetent from being put in charge, and it was one of the reasons we picked her over Sif.

It really is that simple. The succession question really doesn't require we figure anything out.

(besides, chances are non-zero Rotbart ends up with all the BCJ and will be immortal and the whole question of heir becomes moot)
 
thats the whole point, Tormod does not think in dynastic terms, he does not care if the Line of Rotbart rules Avernus for the next 1,00o years, only that Avernus is well ruled. In a choice between a skilled person from outside the Line of Rotbart and an incompetent son Tormod would choose the skilled outsider without a second thought. Most Imperial nobles would do the opposite, Tormod thinks that Rotbart would also choose the opposite, a feeling that I am giving him due to the thread

That is perfectly fine, I'm just saying that Tormund's Avernite values effectively disqualify him since one of the major advantages he had as an heir was being related to Rotbart, if he does not want that advantage well a good hard look at his stats inclines one to start looking for a different heir.
 
Alright, guys, this isn't complicated. We got a bad roll. We'll talk to Tormod again later after some time has passed, patch things up, and hopefully he'll get hitched and have a few kids during the timeskip. If not, or if his kids are incompetent or unworthy, we'll get a different heir from the other characters who we know about. Even Freya was fine with the Governorship going to someone not of the bloodline if it prevented an incompetent from being put in charge, and it was one of the reasons we picked her over Sif.

both Rotbart and Syr didn't get married until the were well past there first century and this whole mess started cause we tried to get him "hitched" Tormod is only 54 he has his whole carrier ahead of him , his clearly gonna follow his parents and grand parents example and put his carrier first before thinking of starting a family which means he wont take the idea of marriage seriously until he is well past his first century
 
both Rotbart and Syr didn't get married until the were well past there first century and this whole mess started cause we tried to get him "hitched" Tormod is only 54 he has his whole carrier ahead of him , his clearly gonna follow his parents and grand parents example and put his carrier first before thinking of starting a family which means he wont take the idea of marriage seriously until he is well past his first century

He's more Avernite than his grandfather and mother was - as long as he's allowed to marry for love, which I think the thread is fine with, he'll probably marry sooner.
 
He's more Avernite than his grandfather and mother was - as long as he's allowed to marry for love, which I think the thread is fine with, he'll probably marry sooner.

his projected life span provided he doesn't get killed is 800 plus years there is no reason for him to rush also trying to pressure him into a marriage undermines the whole marry for love thing . lets just make peace with Tormod and leave this whole marriage affair alone
 
Let's wait and see how things turn out with Tormod first.

ok next turn diving details of chaos plans. We need more information about it so we can plan. I think we are going to ( or someone is, probably the Eldar) attack5 locations around the galaxy. So we also need to finish the chaos counter powers ASAP.

the second divination (since we will be triple down on the chaos ritual) should be finding Slann alive , Lion, assassins guilds, or grey knights. Now I think all the last 3 are together but we need to get all hands on deck. Some how the assassins guild and the grey knights can travel around the galaxy. I would really like to know how they are doing it since it takes ever other normal human faction decades to travel across the galaxy.

Aria is the worst researchers we have and we have about 8 turns before population growth of psykers becomes a problem. So I think we should have her found the psyker Titan order next turn.

Admech we should get Scott to do the promised actions of getting the mobile research platforms built to be automated. Which should allow us to contact thepenguins hopefully soon. The penguins have been described as these powerful race of psykers that hate chaos.
 
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his projected life span provided he doesn't get killed is 800 plus years there is no reason for him to rush also trying to pressure him into a marriage undermines the whole marry for love thing . lets just make peace with Tormod and leave this whole marriage affair alone

Missing the point. I'm just saying that people are making a bigger deal of this than they need to and they should just accept the bad roll and move on.
 
Besides, it's not even the marriage thing that soured the relationship. If we had tried to console Tormod on Syr's death, that nat 1 and following nat 2 would've had a similar effect.
 
Regarding weakening the Veil: Obviously, all psyhic factions are going to benefit. Going through them.
Chaos: [EDIT] They have some psykers, and a good few sorcerors, who'll be boosted the most. Daemons more easily entering the materium is good times for them. Must be a pretty strong boost overall to make it worth boosting many of them enemies as well.
Imperial Remnants: Too few Black Ships around for psykers to be a major factor in most non-chaos, human polities. Very minor buff overall.
Eldar: Pretty substantial buff, given how psychic they are, obviously.
Deldar: [EDIT] Been psychic again since birth of Ynnead. Get the same boost as other Eldar, but also the Chaos boost. Very substantial boost.
Tyanid: Very substantial boost, I can only imagine, particular the strains coming in from their extra-galactic tussle with the Necron.
Necrons: No psychic presence. No boost.
Tau: Second verse, same as the first. But not to the same degree, I guess...
Orks: All orks are psychic, but unconsciously. Seems like this would buff the Waaagh even further than it's already been.
Krork: [EDIT] Also psychic, but more consciously so.
Is this even worth it to Chaos?

[EDIT] As for the Trust, Avernus gets more powerful psykers., probably more of them too. Black Ships to Midgard and Vanaheim will have their work cut out if more psykers activate.
When reading about the Saurus psyker hunters we're getting, in addition to training our milita, I was thinking it was starting to get a little ridiculous how many different organisations are getting in on hunting our rogue psykers. But clearly, it'll. Still. Not. Be. Enough.
Avernus, as well as Vanaheim and Midgard will grow yet more prominent in the Trust, with the influence and importance of their psykers and psyker schools increases.

What have I overlooked?
 
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Regarding weakening the Veil: Obviously, all psyhic factions are going to benefit. Going through them.
Chaos: They have some psykers, and a good few sorcerors, who'll be boosted the most.
Imperial Remnants: Too few Black Ships around for psykers to be a major factor in most non-chaos, human polities. Very minor buff overall.
Eldar: Pretty substantial buff, given how psychic they are, obviously.
Deldar: Well, last I checked they didn't have psykers, but it's been a while since I checked. Do they have psyhic capabilites again since making that deal with Slaanesh?
Tyanid: Very substantial boost, I can only imagine, particular the strains coming in from their extra-galactic tussle with the Necron.
Necrons: No psychic presence. No boost.
Tau: Second verse, same as the first. But not to the same degree, I guess...
Orks: All orks are psychic, but unconsciously. Seems like this would buff the Waaagh even further than it's already been. Is this even worth it to Chaos?

What have I overlooked?
Krork, their tech runs partly on their Psychic field.
 
Chaos: They have some psykers, and a good few sorcerors, who'll be boosted the most.
The big thing is daemons, they'll have more and easier access to their most powerful guys who can hang around for a lot longer which is their main problem.

Deldar: Well, last I checked they didn't have psykers, but it's been a while since I checked. Do they have psyhic capabilites again since making that deal with Slaanesh?
They've been psykers since Ynnead severed the connection, they get the same boost as the Eldar combined with chaos's boost.

What have I overlooked?
Avernus.

Quite likely major boost.
 
Matchmaking and Auntie Ng
Omake: Avernite Cultural Notes: Matchmaking and Auntie Ng

In mainstream Avernite society there are few ideas as pervasive as the thought that to be alone means death. To be alone means that there is no one to notice the spider appearing on your back, to catch you right before you accidentally touch a patch of poison lichen, or to lend their blade when a tiger leaps out of the wall. To be alone is death.
So strong is this idea that one of the most common fears a parent experiences is that their death, and knowledge of one's own mortality can never truly be escaped on Avernus, will leave those that depend on you exposed.

When these fears and stresses came in contact with the matchmaking traditions of the colonists from the oceanic deathworld Kepulauan Biru, Auntie Ng* was born.

The pressures of Kepulauan Biru produced a society that in many ways resembled what would eventually emerge on Avernus. Cooperation was a necessity, and large interconnected multipartner families were the norm. This system, culturally envisioned as a fabric or tapestry, dangerously vulnerable to feuds and internal strife resulting from bad relationships. The solution to this problem was class of professional matchmakers, who ensured that the complex web of familial alliances was harmonious and complete. It was their sworn duty to ensure that tangles were prevented where possible, fixed when they inevitably arose and that loose threads would be woven back into the cloth, so that death's ever tugging fingers could not unravel the great work. These matchmakers not only aided in marriage and romantic relations but also friendships, business ventures, and other civic functions. When the colonists of Kepulauan Biru were being gathered it was decided to form a Tithe Clan** of matchmakers to oversee the needs of those leaving the homeworld. This clan would be named the Ng.

In the early years of colonization the Ng, settled in Fair Isle, found great demand for their services. The losses of that period often left people dangerously exposed, and for all the administrative and strategic mastery of the Governor, it was all to easy for people to fall through the cracks. The Ng took it upon themselves to identify those at risk and subtly weave them back into society. In the years leading up to the beginning of the Age of Dusk, the Ng expanded throughout every level of the city's social strata. Ironically for a group whose original purpose had been to tie together a society spread across disparate archipelagos, by the time of the death of the Emperor the Ng had begun to become highly insular in their mindset, focused entirely on their home city.

It was a sermon by Saint Lin in the aftermath of the Fall that changed that. His words about the importance of protecting the most vulnerable galvanized the clan. Almost as one they came to the conclusion that they had been lax in their holy duty to ensure the safety of their people. So began the Ng diaspora. Over the the centuries, by means of marriage and adoption, the Ng clan has spread over almost all of Avernus. By the time of the four hundredth centennial, it is estimated that a little less than 30% of Avernites do not have an Auntie Ng sitting somewhere nearby in their familial web.

All of that said, the methods of the Ng are gentle. They will not arrange for you to marry, but the chances that you were introduced to any particular spouse by an Ng are high.

To the Avernite, someone with smiling white lips*** purposefully bearing down on you is a portent that you're about to make a new friend.

* 'Auntie' is the polite means of address for an Ng matchmaker of either gender.
** Temporary family arrangement created between all people tithed to the Imperial Guard.
*** Ng matchmakers have largely abandoned the elaborate white facepaint and veils of their homeworld for reasons of practicality.

@Durin
 
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Krork, their tech runs partly on their Psychic field.
The big thing is daemons, they'll have more and easier access to their most powerful guys who can hang around for a lot longer which is their main problem.
They've been psykers since Ynnead severed the connection, they get the same boost as the Eldar combined with chaos's boost.
Avernus.
Quite likely major boost.
Fixed. How do we respond to this, besides letting our allies know this is happening?

HOW IS ANYONE SUPPOSED TO PRONOUNCE THAT?
Also:
"their sword duty" - sworn. [EDIT] Right?
 
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you mean only has him, his older brother and his older brothers wife, their 3 chidlren, his aunt and her son. Yes Fred has not other family at all

@Durin
Point of clarification:
1. Isn't Xavier effectively Fred's son by honor, making him and his family Tormod's uncle/aunt/cousins?
2. Jane is Fred's honorary sister, making her Tormod's grandaunt and Jacob his first cousin once removed, yes?
3. Does Klovis-Ultan count as part of the family? I have him nailed as an uncle figure for Fred, along with Ridcully.
4. Do any of the mechanicus figures count?
5. Not a question, but while I'm obviously sad about those crit fails, I'm loving how you chose for them to manifest.


HOW IS ANYONE SUPPOSED TO PRONOUNCE THAT?

The same way you do in the real world. It's an actual surname: Ng (name) - Wikipedia

"their sword duty" - sworn

I feex.
 
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What he said was entirely accurate. Frederick (Acting as an extension of the thread) has had a near sociopathic obsession with treating Syr and Tormod as baby incubators first and people second since day one. I distinctly remember a large reaction towards first finding about Tormod's life expectancy was "Disregard him and try again".
Wait what the hell? No, Frederick along with a number of the questers did in fact treat Syr as person and loved her and were immensely upset that she died. Just because a few people have a near sociopathic obsession with treating Syr and Tormod as baby incubators first and people second doesn't mean it's fair to accuse the rest of the thread of that when a lot of people, including me, were also disgusted at that kind of behavior. Especially people saying that Tormad would be better off dead.

This is a CK2 style quest so of course it makes sense that people would want a dynasty of our own blood and for us to have plenty of descendants. Not just for political reasons but also since our line has amazing genetics and narrative laws seems like it would mean quite a bit for having a powerful blood line. Even then in most quests people actually do consider and take account our kids feelings on these things and do let them have a say.
 
Annoyed with the results since they kind of make things harder but considering they were a 1 and a 2 I can see why inconsistencies would appear to try and work it in to the story.

Now on to the more important matters the underhive deal cannot go through no matter what. It is all around a mistake giving control of our cities/hives in any way to a foreign power is a full stop.

The trolls are very depending on the products and services they offer but I find it very unlikely that they will be worth the cost. Their numbers are the biggest issues if we could find a way to increase their population then they would be more use. But if their isn't a way to do that it will likely not be worth the costs both in technology and rep with the rest of the Trust. They are after all just barely liking the other space capable xeno race we took in.
 
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*The Empire of Ashes has recently informed you that Operation Hecatoncheir has come to a conclusion as a success, with another Ork Conflagration being lured into the Black Imperium. They also mention that Abbadon has eventually laid the blame for your actions on the Assassin Temples. *
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With all the drama going on surprised that people missed this. This is one of the best outcomes for us for a number of reasons with the biggest being tying up the Dark Imperium for the next century or so. People always talking about wanting to play a bigger role on the galactic stage, well this is definitely it here.

On that topic did Vlad roll for transcendence since the operation succeeded?
 
Personally, I'd prefer to have Avernus be a republican democracy.

and socialist. :p

Seriously, a political paradigm like that would be good, especially if particapatory politics and democratic control over labor is practiced. Lowered inequality, higher education, greater oversight over leaders, and democratic egalitarianism all stand to lower the chance for Chaos.

Personally, I've found it an insult that the only democracy in this quest is a Chaos polity.

Let's not let the fall of the old federation and the commencement of the Old Night have been the end of democratic ideals forevermore. Power to the people! That said, should they give up the responsibilities of collective rule and project their problems to a populist savior-tyrant, then they will have chosen to give away their power, autonomy, and responsibility for the sake of security. They will give away the future to but a few, and leave themselves to be exploited in ignorance forevermore. Such was the folly of the Emperor's rise to power and the Imperium in general.
 
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With all the drama going on surprised that people missed this. This is one of the best outcomes for us for a number of reasons with the biggest being tying up the Dark Imperium for the next century or so. People always talking about wanting to play a bigger role on the galactic stage, well this is definitely it here.
Its been noticed, just drama ya know.

On that topic did Vlad roll for transcendence since the operation succeeded?
No he didn't complete it.

If he had then yes roll.

Personally, I've found it an insult that the only democracy in this quest is a Chaos polity.

Let's not let the fall of the old federation and the Old Night be the end of democratic ideals forevermore.
There's also Vanaheim with their all thing.

I'll also note that in embers there was no large scale federation in the DAoT. Probably a lot of democracies though.

Also a lot of nobles, emperors, oligarchs and every other system of government you can imagine which brought us both miracles and butchers nails.
 
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