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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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It was just a bad roll. Tormud will get over it, we'll try again later after things have had time to settle, and things will probably be fine. Can we move on please?

Durin said:
political shitstorm? nothing like that. Now your talks with the Nyenye and Trolls on the other hand...
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Yeah, I remember you saying the Trolls thing would cause political problems in Discord, but it seemed to get glossed over by the folks who wanted faster construction. I wanted to avoid doing it because we've got that whole AdMech civil war thing brewing and we really shouldn't be stirring the pot right now.

xXxBlueViperxXx said:
Uh guys I think we may want to put off some of our talks with one of the trolls or Nynye if only to reduce the possible shit storm.
I think this could be the spark on the mech civil war if we are not careful.
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Yes, this. This bit is getting overlooked due to the whole Tormud thing, and it merits quite a bit more attention.
 
sabreFather said:
Then quit bitching about Tormod, FULL STOP.
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Jesus, calm down.

Enjou said:
Yes, this. This bit is getting overlooked due to the whole Tormud thing, and it merits quite a bit more attention.
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As well as Chaos' plan to weaken the Veil. Tenses were a bit muddled. Is it going to happen, did they try and fail to make it happen?
And if it happens, how does that effect the Trust?

As for the Trolls and Nynye, surely there'll be no particular political fallout until we actually do move in with the big ants and hand over more tech to xenos.
 
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Enjou said:
Yeah, I remember you saying the Trolls thing would cause political problems in Discord, but it seemed to get glossed over by the folks who wanted faster construction. I wanted to avoid doing it because we've got that whole AdMech civil war thing brewing and we really shouldn't be stirring the pot right now.



Yes, this. This bit is getting overlooked due to the whole Tormud thing, and it merits quite a bit more attention.
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Its weird how people's priorities work...
 
@Durin So, interesting to see Abaddon blaming the Assassin Temples, that implies they have caused at least one headache for the Black Imperium within the last few decades. I wonder if the Lion's "Secret Imperium" has been making moves now.
 
Ok so the Nyne undercities not going to happen. Not just because of the Trust but because I will never allow any other force to have control over our cities.
As for the trolls we will see what happens when we do the trade turn, and get some answered of how pissed off the trust is.

@Durin how angry is the trust about our talks with the xenos?
 
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Why exactly are we trying to tech up the trolls? Just for aid in building hives? Because I'm not sure the relationship hit from the rest of the Trust is worth it.
 
Nurgle said:
Ok so the Nyne undercities not going to happen. Not just because of the Trust but because I will never allow any other force to have control over our cities.
As for the trolls we will see what happens when we do the trade turn, and get some answered of how pissed off the trust is.

@Durin how angry is the trust about our talks with the xenos?
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so far not at all, you are just talking to them
otherwise any deals with the Nyenye are going to open you to accusations of Xenophilia while a bad deal with the Trolls will give you a reputation as a bad neogatator
 
Perhaps another approach to succession needs to be considered.

Can democracy, in any form, work in this circumstance? Assuming you managed to stamp out, say, Chaos fake news of course.
 
DragonParadox said:
I see the point, but there is one thing I feel needs to be considered in the matter of Tormund reacting this way due to his mother's death. For someone who thinks in dynastic terms, the time to think about future children is just after someone else in the succession died. It's a grim thing but no less real. Tormund for his part rejected that, not softly not conditionally in a 'I need more time to grieve' but definitively and wish harsh words. I think this is pretty much settled now, though I will freedly admit it is just my impression of the matter and we can't be sure of that yet.
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thats the whole point, Tormod does not think in dynastic terms, he does not care if the Line of Rotbart rules Avernus for the next 1,00o years, only that Avernus is well ruled. In a choice between a skilled person from outside the Line of Rotbart and an incompetent son Tormod would choose the skilled outsider without a second thought. Most Imperial nobles would do the opposite, Tormod thinks that Rotbart would also choose the opposite, a feeling that I am giving him due to the thread
 
Durin said:
thats the whole point, Tormod does not think in dynastic terms, he does not care if the Line of Rotbart rules Avernus for the next 1,00o years, only that Avernus is well ruled. In a choice between a skilled person from outside the Line of Rotbart and an incompetent son Tormod would choose the skilled outsider without a second thought. Most Imperial nobles would do the opposite, Tormod thinks that Rotbart would also choose the opposite, a feeling that I am giving him due to the thread
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I think we should be proud of our son for seeing/thinking beyond himself (egotistically and materially) and putting the needs of the planet and Trust first. That's the altruistic mindset and fundamental good faith that a true meritocracy lives and dies on. And a vital safeguard from the discontent that Chaos thrives on.
 
The fact that he honestly does not want the job and thinks that someone with his luck would be a disaster at it also helps.
 
Durin said:
thats the whole point, Tormod does not think in dynastic terms, he does not care if the Line of Rotbart rules Avernus for the next 1,00o years, only that Avernus is well ruled. In a choice between a skilled person from outside the Line of Rotbart and an incompetent son Tormod would choose the skilled outsider without a second thought. Most Imperial nobles would do the opposite, Tormod thinks that Rotbart would also choose the opposite, a feeling that I am giving him due to the thread
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To be fair, Robart's line has awesome genetics, so it is logical to want to preserve it.
 
The problem with that is Tormod has the opportunity, resources, and abilities to be great as governor of Avernus. The only drawback I see is his luck which we can hopefully get rid of if we send him on a quest.
 
While I disliked seeing that for the pain that it caused. Well at very last this will take a HUGE burden from Fred shoulders. Because one thing that I think I was not said is that to develop a rules is far more difficult when you can only cultivate a few candidates. And Fred and his beloved daughter have sacrificed a lot to try make her the best possible ruler if her time had come (which will never be the case now). She was far better as a general.

In a silver line and just to share a laugh after the heavy talk. I will point that this will open the way for a psyker ruler^^. He/she just need to the best and be sane enough where it matters :)
 
Nurgle said:
Look at psyker gene research . Looks back at wombat. Looks at trait Line of Rotbart looks back at wombat. Looks at traits for heavey worlders and other instances looks back at wombat.
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Looks back at Durin's repeated statements that things like line and blood of are the result of upbringing and training not actual genetic advantages and how psyker genetics isn't indicative of one being a psyker just a higher chance of being one and that we can get psykers with no psyker genetics what so ever.

Shard said:
Heir of Rotbart
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Oakheart.
 
Durin said:
thats the whole point, Tormod does not think in dynastic terms, he does not care if the Line of Rotbart rules Avernus for the next 1,00o years, only that Avernus is well ruled. In a choice between a skilled person from outside the Line of Rotbart and an incompetent son Tormod would choose the skilled outsider without a second thought. Most Imperial nobles would do the opposite, Tormod thinks that Rotbart would also choose the opposite, a feeling that I am giving him due to the thread
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Nurgle said:
The problem with that is Tormod has the opportunity, resources, and abilities to be great as governor of Avernus. The only drawback I see is his luck which we can hopefully get rid of if we send him on a quest.
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Durin said:
The fact that he honestly does not want the job and thinks that someone with his luck would be a disaster at it also helps.
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Durin said:
1. a bit miffed. Its not something serious but it is still something they care about. This is USA being annoyed by EU abortion laws and euthanasia not a diplomatic crisis
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its been made clear in no uncertain terms that Tormod does NOT want to be planetary governor and that passing him over for the job will have no political consequences of note . the positon of planetary governor of Avernus is the kind of extremely dangerous high stress job that you can't really force on some one who doesn't want it since Tormod doesn't that is the end of the debate in regards to his succession so lets shift the discussion to repairing our relationship with Tormod and grooming Jacob for the position instead by taking him on as an apprentice if Jacob doesn't want the job for some reason than we will force it on Vlad
 
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