Evil M. Lurker
What Lurks at Midnight
- Location
- The City, USA
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...emp damn, Mineyev.
That was metal as hell.
...emp damn, Mineyev.
That was metal as hell.
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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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Dynamesmouse
Bzzzzzz
You haven't seen the last of Mineyev3903
...emp damn, Mineyev.
Evil M. Lurker
What Lurks at Midnight
- Location
- The City, USA
Well obviously, he's the kind of guy who won't die even if you kill him.
Dynamesmouse
Bzzzzzz
Is Headcrusha before or after the second Incursion?Well obviously, he's the kind of guy who won't die even if you kill him.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
- Location
- England
Completely off topic but did we ever find out what happened to the black templars?
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Most of them fell to the abomination the rest fell to Mala.
Long and short is they're all chaos now.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
"You ain't being chaotic enough! MORE CHAOSSSSSSS!"
Everything must burn. Everything.
- Location
- madison
they intent to kill everything, but will kill themselves last.
So not really much different from previous Black Templar doctrine, eh?
So not really much different from previous Black Templar doctrine, eh?
It wasn't a very long fall.
- Location
- Australia
That's not true. Some went Abomination and some went Malal, but some stayed loyal. There are still non-Chaos Black Templars out there who are loyal to the Emperor.
- Location
- western US
I bet their so rare that they can't properly team with sane/non-chaos people since said persons can't trust them tho.....
so their probably forced to go more-or-less lone-wolf style (or maybe lone-wolfpack is better word here)....no teamwork is possable (in most cases) when one or both sides can't trust the other.
- Location
- Australia
IIRC it was a third each, so two thirds of the Black Templars and one third stayed loyal. Still a lot of loyal Black Templars out there. Like, remember, Flesh Tearers were not Khornate. Don't be surprised that a bunch of Black Templars didn't join Chaos.
- Location
- western US
that was the ORIGINAL amount....
and as more of them fall, the harder it is to trust them and thus the harder for the non-chaos to survive/not-fall themselves.
after this many thousands of years, AND after the abom took a bunch of them? I'd think that theres <1% non-chaos at this point.
- Location
- Peterborough, NH, USA
I mean, there were a LOT of Black Templars before. At least 3K if I remember, possibly as many as 5 depending on how thoroughly trashed they were in Cadia's aftermath. Black Templars got around the Codex by constantly Crusading(Crusading Chapters don't have to give a damn about the 1000 limit) and keeping their numbers up by having a bajillion recruiting worlds. I'd be unsurprised if they were following a similar path as the founders of the Varangian Guard when we got our hands on them. By the by, are the Crimson Crusaders we got going to do some recruiting since the VG have stopped so their veterancy can build up? I don't remember hearing much about them once they settled in.
- Location
- England
That's another thing I'm wondering about- stopping recruitment would not increase the skill of the Astartes we already have so there is no reason not to recruit at the max possible rate, even if the recruits are of a lower standard. Surely the trust has the population and economy to support more than 20,000 Astartes....
- Location
- Australia
It's been one thousand years since the Emperor's death, and the figure we got was somewhere within a century ago. Furthermore, it's reasonable to assume that the Black Templars that would've fallen have already fallen, and the ones that remain are safe in their loyalty. It's also reasonable to assume that these firmly loyalist Black Templars would reproduce and create more firmly loyalist Black Templars.
- Location
- Peterborough, NH, USA
Well, Astartes are supposed to be super-elites with all the best equipment and facilities. Maybe it's less them and more the Asatartes fleet and junk that's the problem? I mean, their stuff is even higher quality than Avernus' Helguard stuff.
- Location
- madison
max speed recruitment results in a much lower initial skill modifier. So once they hit 20,000 they are going to slow down and train them right rather than fast.
- Location
- western US
(BTW: where are we getting the statistics that we are using? cas I'm going off the "majority fell" thing from the original horus betrayal thing. Where are you getting your "the figure we got was somewhere within a century ago"....I don't recall durin updating our info of the general BT population stats)
I disagree with this statement. It is NOT reasonable because (as I explained before), as time goes on, it becomes harder for a group that is forced out of working with the majority of non-chaos forces to supply themselves and recruit. This becomes a self-perpectuating cycle as it becomes more commonly believed that all BT's are corrupted (since a ever increasing proportion ARE fallen).
also, I don't see why we can assume they would be safe....what about them makes them more chaos-resistant then any other SM's? and even then, their still going to fall occasionally.
these are not astartes like the ones we have worked with as most people can't risk trusting them. they won't be able to resupply at most non-chaos starbases/shipyards which is incredibly crippling....they won't have any tech except that which somehow miraculously survived with little-to-no maintainence by non-chaos admech so say good bye to the usual SM kill ratios as they are forced to use either broken tech or tech like chemical firearms and non-power melee weapons since those can be maintained without admech knowledge (and alot of them will have broken power armor too since they can't get repairs).
MAYBE some of them got lucky and found a policy and managed to gain their trust.....but I'm not sure they would be able to recover completely without finding a major backer.
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sabreFather
Dr Pepper is the flavour that I savour
- Location
- Land of Bears and Loggers AKA Oregon
Uh, Black Templars are a Fleet-based Chapter. They are very reliant on Techmarines, who know enough to maintain and build their gear.
- Location
- western US
I would agree that it is helpful that they are already setup for on-the-fly maintence.
...but the fact that they have no grounded/stable homeworld/HQ means they are dependent on the freewill/trusting nature of the people they find/help to get supplys......and I doubt that anyone who is willing to trust a random SM fleet would survive post abom-awakening/imperial-collapse.
so them having techmarines won't counter the fact that they are not going to be finding the supplys needed to do their work. Plus they are not going to be able to replace tech that actually gets broken without proper, full admech support.....which they won't get very often since again, nobody can risk trusting them. (I'm sure sometimes they can, such as when the BT's get the chance to at least sort of prove themselves...but that won't always be possable). This is made worse by the fact that the imperium being so shattered now means that entire sectors/policys might not have access to various parts/equipment since the admech were so.....admech-ish in regards to sharing tech and thus said sectors/policys won't have access to the tech at all.
basically, the techmarines can really only do "field-maintence"....any missing/broken parts won't get replaced for years maybe even DECADES.
honestly, now that the stability/large-scale trading provided by the imperium's sheer size is gone in most places, I'm not sure fleet-based chapters is even POSSIBLE in the long term anymore.
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