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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%

  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%
  • Total voters
    738
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adamashield said:
Hum, while I will not vote and I am with the guys that say to wait until the last power up of the saint. I still wonder what a transcendent power one would get for poking the end boss to see what happens .why? Because it would be a skill tailor made to the situation . And wow we would have literally the (un)choose one that can hurt the source of chaos.
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Keep in mind that Transcendence is a result of the Warps rules. And the Warp is peanuts to the Sea.

We are not hurting it.

If we roll well on Lin transcending though... whoah. Lin would leave Rids in the dust as our most valuable character by far.

Red Bovine said:
I'm actually curious about Lin's final metamorphosis. Would the last one give him enough of a boost to transcend on it's own?
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Probably not.

xXxBlueViperxXx said:
I would like to point out there is no Hellguard expansion in the update
there are helltroopers which is the one I think you are talking about.
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It took me ages to remember which one is which...

We should have named the regulars Helguard. They guard Hel, and are the Imperial Guard equivalent.
 
For what little it's worth, I support looking into the Sea.

There will never be another chance to keep Lin alive. There will never be another chance this mighty to fit in his domain.

And in the end?

"Had to be me. Someone else might've gotten it wrong."
 
ArchAIngel said:
For what little it's worth, I support looking into the Sea.

There will never be another chance to keep Lin alive. There will never be another chance this mighty to fit in his domain.

And in the end?

"Had to be me. Someone else might've gotten it wrong."
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Won't the Well of Eternity also give us the chance to make Lin Transcendent, saving his life?
 
Durin said:
1. not game changing but leading to some major buffs on a good enough rolls
2. unknown

no, i hinted at failure to prevent you sleep walking into a possible game over. Now if you choose it roll badly and lose then I have warned you

the rewards at best match it
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random_npc said:
where are you getting that? yeah if he rolls like a 1 its turbo bad, but I remember Durin saying other than that it would mostly just cost us lin.
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Here apparently if Saint Lin fails it will poke the final boss and we will get something so bad we'ed wish it was a undivided demon incursion.
 
Nurgle said:
Here apparently if Saint Lin fails it will poke the final boss and we will get something so bad we'ed wish it was a undivided demon incursion.
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The final boss will still poke at us, eventually. We have a galaxy ending weapon on our planet and it won't let it go off.

But if Lin succeds we have the chance to find a way to fight it, or even a way not let him manifest in our reality.
 
Nurgle said:
35 with everything with triple downand omakes.
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Wasn't it more like a 59 before?

Nurgle said:
We are a third of the way through the game poking the final boss right now would be a bad idea.
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Not poking at the final boss at all would be a bad idea. We aren't necessary an obstacle to his win condition, but even the small threat of Avernus will bring him to us.

Unfortunally we won't have a chance later on. And his opening move could be one as relevant as corrupting the entirety of the eldar pantheon.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
Fair.

Though if my calculations are right then we are at a base 59% chance with all Lin's base boni.

54+15+20+5+20+20=134

-75%+134=59%

I dunno I'm not mathsy, but I am holding out hope that Lin gets to apply that +100 from his saint trait :D
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Nurgle said:
35 with everything with triple downand omakes.
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yeah....I have heard conflicting calculations on that.

some people calculate around 45-55 ish % (I can't remember exactly)


but others are calcuating (like you) 35%.
we also can get +5 from o-makes and who-knows from diplo actions.

also, even on a nat 1 we don't insta-lose....just a very bad situation is all.

I recal durin saying that even BAD end just means that the next quest starts off much worse.
 
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Dragon_352 said:
yeah....I have heard conflicting calculations on that.

some people calculate around 45-55 ish % (I can't remember exactly)


but others are calcuating (like you) 35%.
we also can get +5 from o-makes and who-knows from diplo actions.

also, even on a nat 1 we don't insta-lose....just a very bad situation is all.

I recal durin saying that even BAD end just means that the next quest starts off much worse.
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What part of game ending situation makes you think there be sequel?
 
Alright, so do the Well of Eternity first then. Do actions that make that one easier. and try that way, since it doesn't have a full quest ending threat involved.
 
darknessworld said:
I actully think we have already faced many game ending situation when we infiltrated Nurgle's palace. A natural one on even one of Ridicully rolls would have brought us to a similar conclusion.
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That would have ended with dead Ridicully not game ending at all. He was in the black library with a Phoenix lord ready to kill him if he failed. The situations are no where alike since the primordial sea is the thing worse than chaos that created it.
 
Nurgle said:
No that was things at large . Saint Lin failing bad is we have no next quest that is it.
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I don't think durin has ever stated that BAD end means no sequal. even in the worst case we could continue in a different part of the trust and even if the trust somehow got entirely removed from existence (which I doubt), we could still have a quest in another part of the galaxy.......
 
@Durin We have like 3 estimations of the Chance of Sucess of the Primordial Sea (with a triple down) .
Can you tell us which is the correct one?

Aside from that I really think that you should do the Poll for the primordial sea (especially if we are moving into another thread soon), let's find out what most of the people want to do so we can make our plan accordingly. Or you can just give us 48-72 hours to vote if we want to do the Primordial Sea ar not, and then Tally our votes.
Doomed Wombat said:
Fair.

Though if my calculations are right then we are at a base 59% chance with all Lin's base boni.

54+15+20+5+20+20=134

-75%+134=59%

I dunno I'm not mathsy, but I am holding out hope that Lin gets to apply that +100 from his saint trait :D
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Shard said:
+44 (P+L)/2-10
+15 Final Flash
+5 Bearer of Dark Secrets
+20 Double Down
+20 Triple Down
= +104 vs DC 175

So 30% Chance of making it.
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agumentic said:
Is it? Let's see:
48(stats)+15(Final Flash)+5(Bearer of Dark Secrets)+10(Areatha)+40(double double down)+5(omakes) = 123, 175-123= DC 52, 48% chance. And that's before any other bonuses we can find/diplomance. And maybe Scholar of the Deeper Secrets applies, though I'm not sure and wouldn't count on it.
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