The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

[Cthugha]

@Durin
1a. When, not if, we trade Tau tech for Alkahestry would the Lulana be willing to try and perfect the ThunderWarrior creation process?
1b. If so would there be any resistance from different factions in the Trust?

 

[guyfromtheplace1]

@Durin posting a quote to tech ideas because I don't think you get more than one tag per person, and I don't know if you caught this before you last signed off.
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@Durin
Tau and Secundus tech ideas
Antispin plasma
The tau have figured out how to apply strange Xenos conceptions of magnetics, math, and basic geometry to the projectiles of plasma weapons, no matter how counterintuitve or incomprehensible these developments might seem to any sane human. In this case the tau observed that spinning plasma like an Autogun bullet makes it pull apart and scatter, reducing range and armor penetration, and applied the unusual understanding of geometry one of their client races has to put the opposite motion on the plasma, a complex, incomprehensible, possibly more than three dimensional, motion known as an antispin that applies centrifugal force inwards. This modification to plasma weapons has more range and armor penetration than the standard variant of any form of plasma weapon, but costs slightly more.

There are rumors of even more advanced plasma weapons that create spins in a plasma projectile that keep it stable until reaching a set distance, then cause it to burst like a plasma bomb.

Assasin drone
This drone posseses an excellent pattern recognition cogitator, an excellent stealth system, and a sniper weapon - with modular sniper weapon loadout.
It's pupose is to lurk overhead in likely areas of enemy transit, identifying key figures with its advanced pattern recognition cogitator, then taking potshots at rhem as opprotunities become available.
The cheapness and ubiquity of this platform and its relative stealth and effectiveness make this an incredibly irritating hazard to run up against, used to great effect against the last Tyranids to face the Tau in battle over a millenium ago, and more recently against Orkz, currupted humans and the Imperium Secundus alike.
Though its independence especially spooks the Mechanicus.

Next level superconductors, electron tranfer beams, and 'safe' plasma bulkheads and containment fields
Much like the Imperium, the Tau of the fourty first millenium used a mixture of conventional wiring, higher energy superconducting wiring, and even higher energy plasma transfer conduits in their starships' power systems, with each power system applied as best suited to the situation.
The plasma transfer conduits are obviously a fire hazard, one that each race within the Galaxy that uses them faces in their own way.

The Tau of the fourty fifth millenium have done so better than most. Much of their wiring and superconducting wiring is both cheaper and of a higher quality than that availiable to the Imperium before its fall.

Additionally they replace their smaller plasma transfer conduits with a xenos alternative, an electron transfer system based off of the work of one of their minor client races, developed from a variant of particle accelerator that they had created that nontheless manages to interface easily with standard energy transfer systems. Being based on a relatively primitive system, this technology manages to keep to a reasonable price even when upgraded to Tau standards.

The Tau mastery of plasma has also allowed them to create extremely effective containment and damage minimization systems to respond to a plasma conduit breach.

They have constructed their ships such that the compartments around their plasma transfer conduits are occupied by a dense mass of damage mitigation forcefields, with the plasma premptively altered to be more easily influenced by energies of these fields.
When a conduit breach occurs the rushing burst of plasma first encounters a generatorium forcefield, intended to power the continued containment of the plasma breach by exploiting the very energies of the escaping plasma that the 'safe' bulkheads will struggle to restrain, but kept out of the plasma conduits in normal operation to avoid disrupting or degrading the power supply.
Shortly therafter the plasma wave of the blastfront will encounter a bulkhead, and be briefly held back by the energies of plasma repeller fields dumping their impressive capacitors directly into a burst of increased forcefield power, allowing explosive bolts in the bulkhead doors time to fire, forcing the weaknesses in the bulkhead to seal with enough speed to get ahead of the destruction.
In each case of interaction with a generatorium field or force field variants of these fields have been exhastively tested against many variants of plasma, and both the plasma in the conduits and the designs of the forcefields have been tuned to best allow for the plasma breach to be contained.
The plasma will continue onwards, blasting out of a carefully prepared blowout vent leading to the surface of the ship, designed so as to avoid creating an exploitable surface vulnerability or making it likely for battle damage to seal the end of the vent. This vent allows the containment design to prevent excess pressure and heat buildup in the affected compartments.
As things settle into a stable state for a moment, the thick bulkheads permeated by plasma repeller fields continue to hold back the breach, the rushing of plasma through the blowout path to the surface allows the generatorium field to continue generating power for the repeller fields that reduce strain on the bulkheads and keep the plasma away from more critical components. The connection of generatorium field and force field projectors enables them to put a great deal of power into maintaining this state without themselves being connnected to a plasma conduit and exacerbating the craft's vulnerability to plasma conduit breaches. Any difference between the power required to contain the breach and that that is provided by the generatorium field is taken up by the less extreme power systems that feed these field generators under normal conditions.
Then damage control computers respond, sealing or rerouting the power feed and allowing the breech to begin to cool.

Ideally this entire evolution takes only a second or two, though containment fields have been known to hold out for longer. This system of repeller fields, combined with the division of plasma conduits into sections, has been known to significantly reduce the length of plasma conduit that is melted or blown out by a small breach, easing the task of damage control teams in effecting swift repairs in the field.

Each of these systems is only a slight improvement over human technology in this area, even the plasma containment fields can be substituted for with sufficiently robust bulkheads, but together they are significant. In combination these systems notably reduce the risk that ships that might otherwise be considered 'overgunned' experience due to the vulnerability of their energy transfer systems, and can improve the survivability of even normal ships.

+slightly increased hull points? +reduced risk to 'energy dense' craft
-increased cost

Cogitators that we mostly already essentially have our own versions of
But also the:
Military analysis cogitator
The Tau military analysis cogitator consists of both an expensive central unit assigned to analyze a given area that does all the calculations, and cheaper small mobile units updated with the insights of the central unit, that are able to keep troops in the field updated with realtime advice. This cogitator has two functions, analysis of the terrain, and analysis of enemy habits.
When fed aerial and orbital images, drone scouting data, and scans from ground unit auspex and told to analyse the terrain the military analysis cogitator is able to pick out ideal ambush or strongpoint positions based on their similarity to a number of factors that Tau Earth Caste programmers have isolated.
It displays them as dots on a map for high commanders, allowing them to deploy their subordinates appropriately and allowing those subordinates to rapidly select ideal positions for their forces. This is of relatively little use in prepared positions, where strongpoints and ambush locations are artificial, or already well known, and can be matched by the efforts of experienced junior officers and NCO's who are used to fighting with a 'home field' advantage.

When analysing enemy habits the military analysis cogitator is able to provide information on a number of factors of likely enemy behavior. Increasing in accuracy as it builds profiles on individual enemy units. This is of significant use in aerial combat, where unpredicable dodging is the primary defence and many pilots need to work against the tendency to fall back on habit and instinct, and fail as they become exhausted.
This is also of significant use when targeting enemy field artillery, as they tend to move between shots, a combined analysis of terrain and past firing positions can create a list of likely future firing positions. The principles of counter artillery combat can also be applied when shirmishing with tanks, where skirmishing forces tend to pull back behind a rise or hill and reposition after shooting.

The cogitator can also mix analysis of terrain and enemy habits to make detection and localization of of stealthy enemies easier. Predicting their most likely paths of infiltration and keeping track of numerous small details that are easily missed by an organic mind.

It is not that the Adeptus Mechanicus does not have similar systems, or even more effective systems, fed with their databanks of over fifteen thousand years of war. In fact such systems make up part of the advantage that Mechanicus battle congregations recieve from their noospheric data networks. It is just that the human versions of these systems require many highly skilled savants and adepts to run, and similarly high skilled soldiers to interpret out in the field.
If an army were to go to the expense of equipping normal troops with such Mechanicus data feeds they would simply prove a distraction, as they require that the user interpret the complex binaric annotation of how precisely the analysis section reached their conclusions and how probable they are without becoming completely detached and distracted from combat.
Whereas the Tau system provides a very intuitive output that gives terrifyingly little insight into the calculating thought processes of the machine that produces the advice.
The Tau system is also slightly less vulnerable to electronic warfare, as the ability of the mobile advice-cogitator portion of the system to continue to judge when best to provide assitance based on stored data is a great advantage, especially considering the possible volume of stored data.
So long as the enemy has merely jammed the connection and not dominated the information war to the point that they can provide convincingly falsified analysis the Tau military analysis cogitator is still of some use, as information updates can be transfered between central processing and mobile units by wired connection or physically transported datastick.

+?(10? 15?) to harrasment(not applied or lessened for troops who get a similar bonus from extreme familarity with the terrain), +5 to detecting enemy stealth,
growing bonus when targeting enemy air(+5 increase after each turn of observation in combat[you could rule that it takes longer?], capping at +10? +15?) Growing bonus when targeting enemy artillery with counterbattery fire or any sort ofattacj that requires figuring out where they are or will be(capping at +10?) Growing bonus in tank skirmishing (capping at +5?).

Alternatively you figure out the bonuses, I think I've made them too complex.

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Questions
1. I know horrible things happen when trying to take banishment runes into the warp, does this mean that a boarding party or embeded munition with banishment runes could prevent an enemy ship from warping out?

 

[Doomed Wombat]

@Durin
1a. When, not if, we trade Tau tech for Alkahestry would the Lulana be willing to try and perfect the ThunderWarrior creation process?
1b. If so would there be any resistance from different factions in the Trust?

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I can't help but feel this is the answer.

unknown, to know that first you need more then a summary on Thunder Warriors, and second you need more then a summary on Master level Alkhestry

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[Nurgle]

I have these theory now that the Emperor has a bolt hole somewhere and put imperial institutions, people, a Primarch, and technology there. There are people and things that are just missing. We do not know what happen to the Custodies, the assassins and Lion was taken somewhere Ridicully and the Eldar can not see.

 

[godofsmallthings]

Also impressive he had the resources to deploy them en mass during the unification wars.

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I don't think they were mass produced... rather I don't think they were mass produced any more than the initial Space Marine legions could be considered mass produced.


Are there any other technologies or resources we could use to help us improve the Thunder Warriors ?

The obvious answer is make a lot of them and can them into a stasis machine when they start getting old and save them for big engagements.

But there has to some other things we could do other than Alkhestry. Maybe a favor from Corvus to help us or something..

 

[Red Bovine]

@Durin
1a. When, not if, we trade Tau tech for Alkahestry would the Lulana be willing to try and perfect the ThunderWarrior creation process?
1b. If so would there be any resistance from different factions in the Trust?

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Don't think that the rest of the Trust would be cool with a xenos messing what could be considered a 'holy' creation from the Emperor himself. Her helping Jacob was an entirely different matter which was pretty time sensitive and which only she could do at the time. We can actually study the knowledge of Alkhestry to do it ourselves.

 

[Enjou]

Not finished.

Stellaris?

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Fixed. Horizon Zero Dawn, actually.

 

[godofsmallthings]

I have these theory now that the Emperor has a bolt hole somewhere and put imperial institutions, people, a Primarch, and technology there. There are people and things that are just missing. We do not know what happen to the Custodies, the assassins and Lion was taken somewhere Ridicully and the Eldar can not see.

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Possible, yeah. I wonder what happened to all the techno barbarians Big E had imprisoned under his palace.

I have a feeling that Emps was saving them for something.

If I remember correctly, he had built a cell for Horus too.

 

[Doomed Wombat]

I have these theory now that the Emperor has a bolt hole somewhere and put imperial institutions, people, a Primarch, and technology there. There are people and things that are just missing. We do not know what happen to the Custodies, the assassins and Lion was taken somewhere Ridicully and the Eldar can not see.

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That is...remarkably plausible actually.

I mean the Custodes certainly are the people closet to emps for him to warn. So there's that. And the Grand Master of the Assassins is apparently meant to get personal and easy access to him whenever it is needed.

And Emps supposedly was the only one who knew that the Lion was asleep in the Rok and if anyone in the Imperim is a transcendent of intrigue/had a paragon trait/tech good enough to hide from rids detection the grandmaster of the assassins would do.

Hell if they carried IDs from Malcador (first grandmaster) they could probably calm him down and explain what's going on.

Yeah this is getting very plausible.

I don't think they were mass produced... rather I don't think they were mass produced any more than the initial Space Marine legions could be considered mass produced.

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The initial legions were mass produced in the hundreds of thousands and Emps apparently had a very large army of thunder warriors.

Are there any other technologies or resources we could use to help us improve the Thunder Warriors ?

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We have access to very good magos biologis and genetic engineering equipment. Thanks to the last hunters we do have some experience in this area.

And if we acquire all the pieces we'll be able to ask the best biologist and geneticist in the galaxy for a hand.

But, no Corvus favour he's got shit to do.

I get the feeling we'll end up doing psycic improvements to them, while Callamus handles the conventional biology improvements though they've likely got a paragon of biology somewhere.

Issue is a lot of our improvements likely wouldn't be applicable else where.

Don't think that the rest of the Trust would be cool with a xenos messing what could be considered a 'holy' creation from the Emperor himself. Her helping Jacob was an entirely different matter which was pretty time sensitive and which only she could do at the time. We can actually study the knowledge of Alkhestry to do it ourselves.

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We're making good enough progress that they'll let it slide.

We've got plenty of good will stored up in that regard.

If I remember correctly, he had built a cell for Horus too.

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He had cells built for all the Primarchs.

 

[godofsmallthings]

He had cells built for all the Primarchs

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Was it called the timeout corner ?

The initial legions were mass produced in the hundreds of thousands and Emps apparently had a very large army of thunder warriors.

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These proto-Astartes were organized into twenty regiments of no more than a few hundred warriors, each named by the Emperor himself

I don't think Emps had hundreds of thousands of them. To be fair, this might be because of their low life span and high number of engagements they had to fight in resulting in high casualties.

Everyone and their dog had superhuman armies back then in Terra. So maybe Emps never managed to grow their numbers because they were dying off too quickly.

 

[Binge-Reader]

I have these theory now that the Emperor has a bolt hole somewhere and put imperial institutions, people, a Primarch, and technology there. There are people and things that are just missing. We do not know what happen to the Custodies, the assassins and Lion was taken somewhere Ridicully and the Eldar can not see.

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Actually that might explain the Grey Knights as well as they'd also be something the Emps would want to preserve.
actually @Durin does anyone at the conference have any news about the Grey knights there willing to share or are ours the only ones known?

 

[Red Bovine]

We're making good enough progress that they'll let it slide.

We've got plenty of good will stored up in that regard.

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Seriously doubt that. People out of universe were upset with the Tau for 'messing with the Emperors work'. Imagine it would be way worse in universe, especially since an Avernite Native is involved. Afterall even with all the positives we have accomplished people are still not cool with us just using Tau tech.

 

[OmegaS]

It just occurred to me, but Thunder Warriors are basically Rifts Juicers. Comparatively cheap to make and equip, but you are going to loose it within a relatively short time-frame. This limits how much skill and experience can be gained, which really hurts them on the Hero level.

 

[MonkeyTypewriter]

Olllanous Pious Class Fighter Bomber
The Ollanous Pious Fighter Bomber is a well built space fairing design that is relentlessly optimized for mass production and low maintenance. Doctrine is to produce it in bulk on site and use it for system defense, taking advantage of the deep hanger capacity afforded to most system defense stations. This is sometimes supplemented with on airless moons to allow for simply absurd reserves of strikecraft. It also occasionally sees offensive use, usually as a result of the navy conscripting local pilots to fill hangers befit of the more advanced strike craft the navy carries across the stars.

Deimos-Class Lunar base
Less A single design than a set of modules intended to be customized for local conditions the Deimos Lunar base consists of heavy void shields, anti orbital weaponry and heavy ground defenses. However all of these are simply for self defense purposes, for its real contribution to system defense lies in its strike craft. A sophisticated launch system based on Impaler technology allows for the rapid launch of strike craft into the void, and cavernous hangers underneath the structure allow for simply obscene amounts of strikecraft to be stored in pristine condition. It can also be build into a lunar city with ease.

@Durin a different look at things, although I'm not sure which faction would come up with this. Its basically dirt cheap naval strikecraft combined with a trick allowing functionally infinite hanger space.

 

[Doomed Wombat]

These proto-Astartes were organized into twenty regiments of no more than a few hundred warriors, each named by the Emperor himself

I don't think Emps had hundreds of thousands of them. To be fair, this might be because of their low life span and high number of engagements they had to fight in resulting in high casualties.

Everyone and their dog had superhuman armies back then in Terra. So maybe Emps never managed to grow their numbers because they were dying off too quickly.

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Problem with that is like a lot of 40K lore the old stuff is contradicted by new stuff.

Outcast dead for example says there were thousands for example.

We're also told he never replenished their numbers in several sources.

Seriously doubt that. People out of universe were upset with the Tau for 'messing with the Emperors work'. Imagine it would be way worse in universe, especially since an Avernite Native is involved. Afterall even with all the positives we have accomplished people are still not cool with us just using Tau tech.

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People out of universe also seem to get extraordinarily pissy about the tau for no reason, but they're perfectly happy to take their stuff and use it, they are an exceptional case and the logic for it is one I have lost the ability to understand, if indeed there is any logic to it in the first place.

And we've used avernite natives before, our entire psycic tradition is practically built on Avernite natives and after breaking every taboo with the sirens I doubt enough will argue especially when there are a lot of potential benefits. There will be complaining there always is, but they're always grateful when it works out and saves their lives.

To say nothing of the fact that any project may not work without her, as she has significantly more experience than any potential human master alkhester and has more control and power than any we're likely to get for a long time. She can and probably will find things and make insights we don't have a chance of making.

Also its Lulana and the Nynye, they're the ones with the best relationship with the trust by a wide margine, between coming to help Lin, to their psycic tradition generally being nice compared to the Sirens.

 

[ilbgar123]

Speaking of the Sirens, did any of the tech we got fall into the area they can use?

 

[Red Bovine]

People out of universe also seem to get extraordinarily pissy about the tau for no reason, but they're perfectly happy to take their stuff and use it, they are an exceptional case and the logic for it is one I have lost the ability to understand, if indeed there is any logic to it in the first place.

And we've used avernite natives before, our entire psycic tradition is practically built on Avernite natives and after breaking every taboo with the sirens I doubt enough will argue especially when there are a lot of potential benefits. There will be complaining there always is, but they're always grateful when it works out and saves their lives.

To say nothing of the fact that any project may not work without her, as she has significantly more experience than any potential human master alkhester and has more control and power than any we're likely to get for a long time. She can and probably will find things and make insights we don't have a chance of making.

Also its Lulana and the Nynye, they're the ones with the best relationship with the trust by a wide margine, between coming to help Lin, to their psycic tradition generally being nice compared to the Sirens.

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Thing is that you are suggesting outright giving a Xeno species human tech and yes we need to do so for her to understand how to work it. We still aren't allowed to give xeno normal human tech. GIving them tech created by the Emperor himself that were pretty much prototypes of Space Marines which were also the equivelent of angels to xenos is more than likely going to piss a lot of people.

Important to remember that while Avernites are cool with aliens the rest of the Trust is still pretty racist. Also note that the Siren deal had us using corrupted chaos souls who would have been tortured for all eternity anyway so pretty bad example since using normal humans would have never passed.

Finally should clear things by pointing out that the issue would be having xeno acquire and mess with this. Us using said knowledge to do it ourselves seems way less likely to piss people off.

 

[Doomed Wombat]

Thing is that you are suggesting outright giving a Xeno species human tech and yes we need to do so for her to understand how to work it. We still aren't allowed to give xeno normal human tech. GIving them tech created by the Emperor himself that were pretty much prototypes of Space Marines which were also the equivelent of angels to xenos is more than likely going to piss a lot of people.

Also important to remember that while Avernites are cool with aliens the rest of the Trust is still pretty racist. Also note that the Siren deal had us using corrupted chaos souls who would have been tortured for all eternity anyway so pretty bad example since using normal humans would have never passed.

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Your argument fails since we are not giving her human tech since its worthless to her. The heck does she care.

You are also far over stating the religious importance of the thunder warriors, (thank emps he went out of his way to bury them). The only person who likely even knew what one was, was likely Surt, and the warriors don't have the same connection. Not least because emps kinda went and massacred all of them.

I don't give a crap about the rest of the trust we just need to convince our peers on the council, people who I think we can convince, especially since they know how effective this has always been and they gave us the authority to act with avernite peoples on our own authority without referring every issue back up to them and set up an oversight council. If that council has a big enough issue then we will be told and we can state our case something I doubt will happen.

No its a pretty damn good example, because despite the fact that they were going to be damned for all eternity people were still arguing against it and many were highly opposed. This has no threat to their souls aside from potential death, yaay for martyrs.

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[Red Bovine]

Your argument fails since we are not giving her human tech since its worthless to her. The heck does she care.

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We are since the only way she would know how to work with Thunder Warriors is to have Knowledge to how they work which is why we ourselves need to research both Alkhestry and the Thunder Warrior tech to figure out how to work on them.

You are also far over stating the religious importance of the thunder warriors, (thank emps he went out of his way to bury them). The only person who likely even knew what one was, was likely Surt, and the warriors don't have the same connection. Not least because emps kinda went and massacred all of them.

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People are likely aware of the significance of the Thunder Warriors thanks to Corvus.

No its a pretty damn good example, because despite the fact that they were going to be damned for all eternity people were still arguing against it and many were highly opposed. This has no threat to their souls aside from potential death, yaay for martyrs.

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Missing the point, the only way we were able to sell human souls for knowledge was due to us offering the souls of the damned. If we had tried that with non corrupted souls Saint Lin himself would have renounced Rotbart and called him a monster.

I don't give a crap about the rest of the trust we just need to convince our peers on the council, people who I think we can convince, especially since they know how effective this has always been and they gave us the authority to act with avernite peoples on our own authority without referring every issue back up to them and set up an oversight council. If that council has a big enough issue then we will be told and we can state our case something I doubt will happen.

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The people we need to convine are people from the rest of the Trust. You seem to seriously be underestimaing how xenophobic the rest of the Trust is. And as I mentioned one of the things we absolutely cannot do is give human tech to xeno.

As is the Thunder Warriors aren't any worse than the Last Hunters issue wise.

That and we can actually solve this ourselves so giving holy tech to a xeno is way less appealing in this situation. Also important thing to note is that at the time we suggested the soul deal is that things looked bleak due to the condition of the galaxy at the time but now with all the tech we gave to away boosting all the major human polities as is now it's just infinitely less appealing for the rest of the Trust. Especially sine only Avernus can really benefit from Alkhestry anyway due to the regents needing to be from there.

 

[Nurgle]

Ok here is hoping the Eldar or the data crystals have some form of faster warp travel. Also the reactions from the polities must be hilarious. Only a few of the weapon systems are better or worth our time because everything we have is so much better.

 

[Doomed Wombat]

We are since the only way she would know how to work with Thunder Warriors is to have Knowledge to how they work which is why we ourselves need to research both Alkhestry and the Thunder Warrior tech to figure out how to work on them.

People are likely aware of the significance of the Thunder Warriors thanks to Corvus.

Missing the point, the only way we were able to sell human souls for knowledge was due to us offering the souls of the damned. If we had tried that with non corrupted souls Saint Lin himself would have renounced Rotbart and called him a monster.

The people we need to convine are people from the rest of the Trust. You seem to seriously be underestimaing how xenophobic the rest of the Trust is. And as I mentioned one of the things we absolutely cannot do is give human tech to xeno.

As is the Thunder Warriors aren't any worse than the Last Hunters issue wise.

That and we can actually solve this ourselves so giving holy tech to a xeno is way less appealing in this situation. Also important thing to note is that at the time we suggested the soul deal is that things looked bleak due to the condition of the galaxy at the time but now with all the tech we gave to away boosting all the major human polities as is now it's just infinitely less appealing for the rest of the Trust. Especially sine only Avernus can really benefit from Alkhestry anyway due to the regents needing to be from there.

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Spaghetti.

And again I fail to see why that's relevant. Its information for an entirely different species whose DNA is totally 3 dimensional. She can't apply it to her own species, even if their DNA wasn't topographically screwed, she's an arthropod.

Some important people, otherwise not really, and you missed the point even if they are aware they don't have the same religious connection to emps as the astartes do.

And I fail to see how that's relevant now. I used it as an example that we've already broken almost every taboo in the book except for selling pure human souls thus giving a stalwart ally a chance to give us a hand is not a big deal.

No the people we need to convince are high councillors, people who are very pragmatic many who we are closely allied too. And again ****ing useless human tech seeing as these are not humans. We're not giving them guns oh wait we already did that.

I don't care about that I want both them and the hunters as good as they can possibly be both for their own health and well being as well as for ours, if that means handing the schematics over to Lulana or the World Mind itself I say yes and will call that a bargain because it would be.

Thankfully that isn't the case since they know assholes are in coming and everything is about to set on fire again.



The trust right now benefits from us exporting potions.

Finally I severely doubt Corvus wouldn't have given us permission to use whatever methods we deem reasonable up to and including Lulana once we mentioned her, he's an idiot.

However since we're just going to keep going round in circles

@Durin
1. Has Corvus given permission for us to request assistance from non humans like Lulana in improving the Thunder Warriors if we believe that she could help improve them.

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[Red Bovine]

@Durin
1. Has Corvus given permission for us to request assistance from non humans like Lulana in improving the Thunder Warriors if we believe that she could help improve them.

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It's not the him we need permission from. It's the trust. As in even if we did have permission from him we'd need it from the trust. Also should be noted that the Thunder Warriors were the Emperor's work not Corvus'.

 

[Reynal]

While the Thunder Warriors have good potential, right now I'd place a higher priority on improving our current elites than making a new batch that has as many downsides. We have a shitload of projects right now, especially Mechanicus ones—on top of forge hive expansions we've got to get a Titan manufacturing line set up and Tranth needs every action we can feed him to clear some more of our research backlog and start one useful Fundamentals actions.

Honestly though, I would say one of our higher priority projects should be the replacement Black Ships. It sounds like psyker transport is a real issue in all of the other human empires, and we've got a research path that should get that bottleneck cleared. It'll also help our own psyker numbers significantly, as a larger and larger fraction of our population is in the colonies, to say nothing of what a merger with Dragon's Nest will do. One of the greatest advantages the Trust has over comparable groups is what we can do with psykers, and I see growing that edge to be a high priority.

 

[Dragon_352]

so,since it seems like the biggest hold-back on us right now (or rather when we get back) is our ability to implement the new tech /use to improve old tech. I propose that the things we push towards is tech that helps our researchers.

example techs that we may or may not have and thus could try to get if possible:
1): we recently got super-VR tech. could we use this to improve the existing tech that the admech use to augment their brains? seems like the VR tech might make better connections with the brain maybe...I don't know
2): Genetic-engineering, could we start heading down this path to start improving our ppls brains?
3): create a project where we focus a bunch of resources towards giving the admech new test-creation tech? what I mean is that in RL we are using 3D printers to MASSIVELY improve the research speeds of tech that are reliant on /in the stages of prototyping...so maybe if we focus on getting new prototyping tech like 3D printers in RL would help?
4): anyone else got any ideas? cas with all of this new tech, getting even just a 5% boost in research speed could be worth quite a lot of turns worth of research time in the long run.(honestly, this is kinda true at all times, but with the new techs it will be extra-true.)

(btw, I suspect that a large portion of the new tech will be locked behind projects for updating stuff. but some of it will be useable immediately or close to it. Durin might even introduce a delayed introduction, IE each turn gain 0.5% AM production for next 50 fricking years or something as all of those STCs go through their thing.)

 

[Binge-Reader]

While the Thunder Warriors have good potential, right now I'd place a higher priority on improving our current elites than making a new batch that has as many downsides. We have a shitload of projects right now, especially Mechanicus ones—on top of forge hive expansions we've got to get a Titan manufacturing line set up and Tranth needs every action we can feed him to clear some more of our research backlog and start one useful Fundamentals actions.

Honestly though, I would say one of our higher priority projects should be the replacement Black Ships. It sounds like psyker transport is a real issue in all of the other human empires, and we've got a research path that should get that bottleneck cleared. It'll also help our own psyker numbers significantly, as a larger and larger fraction of our population is in the colonies, to say nothing of what a merger with Dragon's Nest will do. One of the greatest advantages the Trust has over comparable groups is what we can do with psykers, and I see growing that edge to be a high priority.

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Tbf a lot of the thunder warriors' initial work will biologist actions which we can spare far more than any of the other mechanicus categories.