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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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Honestly, this fight just confirms my opinion of how important and awesome our spaceships can be. Yes, the Eldar basically held our hand throughout this entire conflict, but after we finish determining the Gravitic Array I'd like to start examining the various Reactors.
 
Godzillaslayer10 said:
Honestly, this fight just confirms my opinion of how important and awesome our spaceships can be. Yes, the Eldar basically held our hand throughout this entire conflict, but after we finish determining the Gravitic Array I'd like to start examining the various Reactors.
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I fear ATM priority no.1 is going to be to make the grav sheers stable so we can sell em properly...if we have time, which I do not know if we have.

Though that being said we're going to be cracking open the Rosklide data jewels (and the other data jewels as well) soon, so if you have any ideas on them, now's the time to propose them to Durin.
 
AlsoSprachOdin said:
Yeah, but it's clear that it's to reason for Syr's extreme delay of marriage and children.
And if every other woman on Avernus got juvenat as well, even more of them would die from Avernus before reproducing.
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The reason she doesn't have any children is because she is careful not to get pregnant. She has had lovers before and flings. The juvenat doesn't change anything for the non leader/hero units. We give it to several different sets of people and all of them keep having kids. As for marriage it is because no one aside from @Valkur has made any candidate omakes. If we had Syr would be married by now. All we ever do is talk about what world is best but don't take it any farther than that.
 
Durin said:
the cities of Muspelheim erected a thin, permeable barrier between themselves and belched masses of superheated plasma into this region. The barriers kept the plasma contained, allowing it to quickly heat up the region past the point where the lighter armour of attack craft could hold, and to the point where the thin skinned escorts started to take damage.
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ultimate defensive technique, set your self on fire, space fire!
 
Adventwolf said:
The reason she doesn't have any children is because she is careful not to get pregnant. She has had lovers before and flings. The juvenat doesn't change anything for the non leader/hero units. We give it to several different sets of people and all of them keep having kids. As for marriage it is because no one aside from @Valkur has made any candidate omakes. If we had Syr would be married by now. All we ever do is talk about what world is best but don't take it any farther than that.
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That's a good point. I suppose we ought to take some initiative when it comes to potential suitors, rather than just relying on the QM. I really wish I was a good enough writer to contribute something worthwhile in that regard, but alas.
 
Adventwolf said:
The reason she doesn't have any children is because she is careful not to get pregnant.
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Yes, that's what I implied.
Adventwolf said:
As for marriage it is because no one aside from @Valkur has made any candidate omakes. If we had Syr would be married by now. All we ever do is talk about what world is best but don't take it any farther than that.
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So, we have to write omakes before she can get married? Really?
 
Ptolemy said:
That's a good point. I suppose we ought to take some initiative when it comes to potential suitors, rather than just relying on the QM. I really wish I was a good enough writer to contribute something worthwhile in that regard, but alas.
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If a worthless writer like me can anyone can.

Believe in yourself try, you may just love it.

AlsoSprachOdin said:
So, we have to write omakes before she can get married? Really?
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No, but we can influence it.
 
void abacuses help with travel speed btw but the cost 0.01 relic material per year i think is the main issue for widespread adoption btw .
 
so, I was bored and felt like basking the warm glow of hilariously one sided victory. So, i decided to gloat with math and do a loss breakdown for the forces attacking as guard.

       
Name Type initial Remaining losses % lost
Sword Escort 7500 306 7194 95.92
Cobra Escort 15000 319 14681 97.87
Firestorm Escort 3750 153 3597 95.92
Endeavour Escort Crusier 60 8 52 86.66
Dauntless Light Cruiser 60 6 54 90
Luna Cruiser 200 24 176 88
Dictator Cruiser 200 24 176 88
Deamon Luna Cruiser 40 10 30 75
Deamon Dictator Cruiser 40 10 30 75
Battlecruiser Battlecruiser 162 18 144 88.88
Deamon Battlecruiser Battlecruiser 78 28 50 64.1
Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser 108 5 103 95.37
Deamon Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser 52 6 46 88.46
Grand Cruiser Grand Cruiser 40 8 32 80
Deamon Grand Cruiser Grand Cruiser 40 16 24 60
Battleship Battleship 20 8 12 60
Deamon Battleship Battleship 10 5 5 50
Ark Mechanicus Battleship 5 5    
Trasport Trasport 1000 425 575 57.49
Mass Convoyer Trasport 50 33 17 34

to sum up, they lost a bit more than half their battleships, about 60% of their demon grand cruisers, and 80%+ of almost everything else. they also lost 34% of the mass Convoyers carrying their elites and over half their armies in those transports. so, ouch.
 
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AlsoSprachOdin said:
Yes, that's what I implied.

So, we have to write omakes before she can get married? Really?
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If we want anything other than a substandard match then yes. What we write would serve as a base for any charechar Durin makes. They won't be the same but the more we make the better any of them will be. I think it would also suggest IC that Syr is looking to get married.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
Does this factor in losses to warping out?
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It does, looking it over myself. If you want to look at this in terms of how "Capitals" and "Escorts" are separated for the Regional Powers, their overall losses look like this:

25,472 / 26,250 escorts
934 / 1,110 capitals
0 / 1 Ark Mechanicus

Presuming Chron is a member world of the Princedom of Assour, this would mean we cost that polity approximately 9.34% of it's capital ships and 16.98% of its escorts in a single battle, while taking greatly lower losses proportionally.
 
So, that happened.

Had some ideas for omakes on the ground in Asgard, but now that's kaput. Hopefully the nat 100 on the psyker roll will translate into some traits there—while I doubt it would be enough to push Ophelia into full heroic, I can easily see Master Primaris being in the cards. Especially given the outsized effect Alphas have in the Void, being effectively the only power level that matters. Not as big an effect as Diviners typically have, but Diviners are OP/hax.

Heh, wonder if the nat 100 there will end up giving the Eldar Diviners traits. I could honestly see Rotbart getting a trait related to improving effect or trait gain of Diviners under his command at some point. I mean, fluff-wise his martial paragon trait probably gives them a workout even if he's working with rather than against them, and mechanically it synergies quite well. Add in just how well Diviners have grown under his military command (*cough*Ridcully*cough*) and I see trait potential.

As far a choices go, I do think it would make sense to leave the Eldar armies on the colony rather than packing them up for a non-existent campaign on Asgard. While the enemy troops remaining on the ground aren't too scary, there's no point in leaving them to fuck shit up. Given that when the Eldar leave we'll have no more psykers to oppose theirs with, their remnants have a real chance of doing damage disproportionate to their size even discounting their ordinary elites.
 
strauss said:
No, Durin has his own plans, and presumably dice rolling, in regards to it but as anything else in the quest people writing omakes can change things a bit.
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Durin said that there wasn't any real candidates unless we made them. The dice don't just make random people to marry our daughter off to. If they did the person would be subpar at best unless we help out. If I had to guess the "plan" is if we don't do anything was the same as with Rotbart. Become governor then take an action to marry someone.
 
So many lost titans...

As for Syr, I am strongly for allowing her to choose. Toss some strong/beneficial candidates her way and if she picks one, good. If not, keep trying.

Strong, healthy, and stable familial bonds make for strong, healthy, and sane children.

Arranged marriages are toxic.

When nobles and powerful people resort to them, it results in ****ed up leaders, and thus a ****ed up society.

And before you remind me of our wife, while we did find love there, that was not guaranteed.

We need sanity far more than political power people, especialy when we have so many other ways to get it.
 
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Now that we won a crushing victory, could we use this opportunity to sneak Men of Stone into the Imperial Trust? I'm thinking we could get the Security Council & Mechanicus to buy Muspelheim's "advanced targeting auspexes" and integrate them into their warships & defences. Centuries of dependable usage could help soften the blow of the reveal.
 
Enerael said:
As for Syr, I am strongly for allowing her to choose. Toss some strong/beneficial candidates her way and if she picks one, good. If not, keep trying.
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Except there are no choices because we never made any aside from one. We need to make some so she actually can choose someone.

HanEmpire said:
Now that we won a crushing victory, could we use this opportunity to sneak Men of Stone into the Imperial Trust? I'm thinking we could get the Security Council & Mechanicus to buy Muspelheim's "advanced targeting auspexes" and integrate them into their warships & defences. Centuries of dependable usage could help soften the blow of the reveal.
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No. There is a reason even the progressive faction isn't pushing for any kind of AI. As for lying about what they are, that will only end blowing up in our faces. The tech priests working on them and anyone else will realize what they are.
 
Enerael said:
So many lost titans...

As for Syr, I am strongly for allowing her to choose. Toss some strong/beneficial candidates her way and if she picks one, good. If not, keep trying.

Strong, healthy, and stable familial bonds make for strong, healthy, and sane children.

Arranged marriages are toxic.

When nobles and powerful people resort to them, it results in ****ed up leaders, and thus a ****ed up society.

And before you remind me of our wife, while we did find love there, that was not guaranteed.

We need sanity far more than political power people, especialy when we have so many other ways to get it.
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This is something of an over-generalization. Arranged marriages have worked well enough for most purposes throughout much of human history. For that matter Rotbart's marriage was arranged and I'm willing to bet his parents' marriage also since they would have been from a noble family whether it was formally recognized or not. I don't think he would see anything wrong with ranged marriages IC.
 
Here's Atlas's fleet losses as things stand:

1 / 1 Ark Mechanicus [100% losses]
11 / 40 Battleships (7 / 26 daemon) [27.5% losses]
19 / 60 Grand Cruiser Squadrons (8 / 30 daemon) [31.67% (26.67%) losses]
68 / 90 Heavy Cruiser Squadrons (16 / 30 daemon) [75.55% (53.33%) losses]
11 / 30 Battlecruiser Squadrons (3 / 7 daemon) [36.67% (48.86%) losses]
88.75 / 90 Cruiser Squadrons (14.75 / 15 daemon) [98.61% (98.33%) losses]
126 / 300 Frigate Flotillas [42% losses]
92 / 125 Destroyer Flotillas [73.6% losses]
5 / 70 Raider Flotillas [7.14% losses]

And here's our Muspelheim losses:

0 / 1 Dreadnoughts
0 / 2 Command Battleships
0 / 12 Armoured Battleships
6 / 24 Grand Cruiser Squadrons [25% losses]
12 / 24 Heavy Cruiser Squadrons [50% losses]
12 / 12 Armoured Cruiser Squadrons [100% losses]
23.7 / 24 Escort Cruiser Squadrons [98.75% losses]
23.8 / 24 Frigate Flotillas [99.17% losses
0 / 11 Nomad Cities
0 / 9 Orbital Cities
17 / 100 Defense Stations [17% losses]
479 / 500 Heavy Weapons Platforms [95.8% losses]
2464 / 2500 Weapons Platforms [98.56% losses]
1.75 / 2 Defence Cruiser Squadrons [87.5% losses]
3.98 / 4 Defence Monitor Flotillas [99.5% losses]

Losses on our end look pretty bad, but given they've only got 24 hours until "And Suddenly Eldar" and they can't seriously damage the Nomad Cities or Orbital Cities if they want to capture tech it's worse for them. Especially considering the number of Defence Stations left, which IIRC each have two Super Lances that they can use to begin absolutely tearing into the remaining enemy fleet. Plus our losses elsewhere were pretty light.

HanEmpire said:
Now that we won a crushing victory, could we use this opportunity to sneak Men of Stone into the Imperial Trust? I'm thinking we could get the Security Council & Mechanicus to buy Muspelheim's "advanced targeting auspexes" and integrate them into their warships & defences. Centuries of dependable usage could help soften the blow of the reveal.
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Not happening. The conservatives would find out that they're AIs pretty much immediately and likely revolt. No need to rock the boat on that front, especially with the xenotech issue likely to come up from the tech trade.
 
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