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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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Doomed Wombat said:
Given that it took fighting his way through an entire black crusade 1v1ing abaddon and then being shot with the Planet Killer to finally put him down I'd say he proved his transcendence in the brief time he was alive.

Heh divine cheaters :D.

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@Durin
1. I thought you said he rejected the abomination? Or did he change his mind what with Bjorn and the Prophet?
2. If he were to transcend how high up the totem pole of danger would he climb given his already high position?
3. Would the level 4 give him a chance at transcendence if he fought it directly?


Don't worry, Russ has got his True Claw and uses it to murder people still in memory of his son.
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1. He changed his mind to accept the Abomination as much as he has the other chaos gods
2. A lot, he is already as dangerous as a transcendent as it is
3. yes
 
invictus1829 said:
I know that we all want to destroy the Black Imperium, but the thing is, I don't know doing so would be safe for the Galaxy at large. Say what you will about Abbadon, but he and his imperium are filling part of the vacuum that was left when the Emperor died. What that means is that he and his forces are fighting against Galaxy level threats such as the orcs and tyranids. Were he and his Imperium decapitated today, all of those threats would be much more free to act as they will.

The Sane Powers of the Galaxy do not yet have the power to fight all of them, they have their own issues right now.
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this is correct, with the fall of the Imperium there are no sane forces able to fight the galactic threats, so mid term survival will rely on having the different apocalyptic threats fighting each other
 
I wonder if a Transcendent Teacher can teach students up to Transcendent.

Assuming it's possible to get a Transcendent Teaching trait anyway :V
 
Romans said:
Fecking Cadia stood that long against that?? *Whistles* Granted the entire Imperium would mobilize but hot damn. He's probably in the 4th tier of heroes just because of all his Paragon's. And his Black Imperium is the main galactic power that is nearby and we'll have to contend with eventually?

Fecking Turoq was a huge problem for us, we have a shit ton of leveling to do.
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Speaking of leveling, I had an idea for dealing with Chaos' immense speed advantage that I'm preemptively lobbying for support for:
The reason we didn't redirect a Waaagh into Turoq, then attack while he was fighting them, is because we were told that trying left us with a fifty/fifty chance of them targeting us instead of Turoq, with a better than fifty percent chance of it working I think we could start using Waaaghs to pin raiding Chaos polities in place for us to wipe them out, preventing another Turoq situation from arising.
I propose that we spend one of our remaining minor favours getting lore, training, and maybe ongoing intelligence from the Eldar to manipulate and redirect Orks, so the Imperial Trust will never again be threatened by this specific method of kicking us in our weaknesses.
 
I don't disagree with the idea of redirecting Orks towards our enemies (unless it poses a real risk of upgrading the Waaagh into t3 or higher), but I feel like the Eldar advantages there are mostly better Divination (non-transferable), strategic speed (non-transferable), and experience (limited transferability).

Overall we really aren't bad at redirecting. It's just that the Trust is naturally a far juicer target than our neighbors from an Ork perspective and our reach isn't far out enough to redirect them before they catch wind of us.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
1. Amusing question, but how would you rank our chances if we sent every Paragon of combat hero we have after Abaddon? That is Jane and Jacob, Mineyev, Sepet, Surt, Horatius, Azyr, and I believe Xavier? Would we beat the Lord of the Black Imperium?
1ii. If so how many people would we loose doing it?
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Durin said:
1. if abbadon is alone you would need a crit in the right place but could win. (assuming black crystal). If he has any guards at all no
1ii three to all
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And now I wonder how would those odds look like when two of our people join in the Combat Paragon Club- Rotbart (1C away wooo!) and Lin (he's super anti-chaos and picks up traits faster).
Who knows, maybe Rotbart's Paragon would allow a mini version of N Steps Ahead? Like, you don't know who is going to hit you next, or what's the placement of your enemy moment to moment, because Rotbart outplayed you.
Hell, Lin's paragon would probably do some serious damage to Abbadon specifically, considering his general theme.

We'd need to ask that question again, but later. Like... 2 3 invasions later.
 
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With all this talk about our heroes teaming up to defeat Abbadon, I'm just curious about how well they would hold up against a Primarch.
 
Reynal said:
I don't disagree with the idea of redirecting Orks towards our enemies (unless it poses a real risk of upgrading the Waaagh into t3 or higher), but I feel like the Eldar advantages there are mostly better Divination (non-transferable), strategic speed (non-transferable), and experience (limited transferability).

Overall we really aren't bad at redirecting. It's just that the Trust is naturally a far juicer target than our neighbors from an Ork perspective and our reach isn't far out enough to redirect them before they catch wind of us.
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I asked Durin if it would help and he said "a good bit", we could ask for clarification as to what that actually means, but I think it's enough indication in favor of it being valuable to us.
I specifically think they will know what character traits to divine for in warbosses when looking for one to manipulate, and how to leverage each of those traits to get them to do what you want, and will probably have a lot more info besides, after all they are the most experienced at manipulating Orks in the entire galaxy.

Citation(referring to both this and keeping Ork domains fighting themselves):
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6. How much would Eldar derived improvement to our methods of dealing with Ork manipulation help and what would it cost?
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Durin said:
6. a good bit and minor favour
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Right now we are goin got use up two minor favors doing two things next turn. First is use a minor favor to unlock all the data crystals we have, second is have Eldar healer help Saint Lin soul so we can get another 20 years of him being alive. As for the large favor we have left I would like to use it to get Eldar warp travel/navigation tech. Durin says it would be faster than what we have but is not being very specific. I think we should wait till after the conference to talk about FTL or faster warp tech. See what is being offered by th other factions first.
 
Nurgle said:
Right now we are goin got use up two minor favors doing two things next turn. First is use a minor favor to unlock all the data crystals we have, second is have Eldar healer help Saint Lin soul so we can get another 20 years of him being alive. As for the large favor we have left I would like to use it to get Eldar warp travel/navigation tech. Durin says it would be faster than what we have but is not being very specific. I think we should wait till after the conference to talk about FTL or faster warp tech. See what is being offered by th other factions first.
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Huh, alright, If we're sure about those other uses, though I'd like to keep this idea in the docket in the event we break another favor up, manage to get one or both of those things without spending favours, or get ahold of another minor favor. I think it would be really useful.

Radical idea here, we can get the forces to kill all Orks and Chaos in a thousand light years with an honour bound favor, could we get them to sterilize that many worlds? Would we even want to? What about only sterilizing the ones nobody uncorrupted will be in a position to move in to if asked to go on a colonisation spree?
On one hand being in a massive mostly-dead zone sounds defensible, and like the basis for further cooperation between all the polities that fill that area, on the other hand I don't think we have the prestige or immense diplomacy to unite that many disparate factions into something that could hold that area after we clear it.
That would require somthing like an undead or resurrected Macharius or Saint Sabat to do in Segmentum Pacificus, which then begs the question: can we make an undead Macharius? Further research is needed. Edit: or get a primarch to visit?


Dynamesmouse said:
Something that would help out Avernus itself is Eldar's techniques for witch finding. Even being able to find 10% more betas would pay long term dividends.
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Man we have so much lore and training we want to get out of them. Put it on the list. We're likely going to need to break the honorbound favor at some point, if we think up enough minor favours that we really really want we could break another major favor then.
 
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Dynamesmouse said:
Something that would help out Avernus itself is Eldar's techniques for witch finding. Even being able to find 10% more betas would pay long term dividends.
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Theoretically curious, and don't remember a clear 'no' sort of answer- now that Ridcully is done with Eldar-given divining... could he try divining emergence of future Alphas and Betas, so that we can get to them fast enough?
I know it may be a waste, but an internal sweep like that would be a massive boost to our internal psyker security. Emperor knows our Witch-hunter forces take constant beating, even with Voids & Nulls.
 
PurposefulZephyr said:
Theoretically curious, and don't remember a clear 'no' sort of answer- now that Ridcully is done with Eldar-given divining... could he try divining emergence of future Alphas and Betas, so that we can get to them fast enough?
I know it may be a waste, but an internal sweep like that would be a massive boost to our internal psyker security. Emperor knows our Witch-hunter forces take constant beating, even with Voids & Nulls.
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Durin said:
Q: What sorts of events does Ridcully have a decent chance of 'foreseeing'? (Such as emergence of psykers, invasion of known foe, invasion of unknown foe, incursions, warp storms ending or forming, fucking Eldar and their fucking precog bullshit)
A: anything on a planetary level or above, the more warp related the harder
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So, since emergence of psykers doesn't seem planetary level, probably not.

About Tugozak, I'd like to try and redirect them towards Amir-ka. They are at the same distance as we are, and might even be a better fight. And if we get Eldar favor before orks unite, I think it'd be better to ask them for help directly rather than methods of redirecting - we would probably need time to learn those methods, after all.
 
agumentic said:
So, since emergence of psykers doesn't seem planetary level, probably not.
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Ridcully has gotten substantially better since that answer was written, so it's possible to likely that he could divine the emergence of psykers of sufficient power (aka Beta and higher).

The issue as I see it is that Ridcully actions are fairly valuable, and said divination might not even be able to cover a five year window. Certainly a possibility if Ridcully has a random free slot or if we're facing a full-on crisis in chaotic psykers, but otherwise unlikely to work as a long term solution.

As far as containing the damage Chaos psykers do, we do have several options with more long term impacts going forward, including implementing more runes in our psyker-Hunting forces, producing Alkehestry potions to buff them up, and possibly creating a Grenadier-level psyker hunting specialist force to bulk out their numbers and provide more specialized support.
 
Reynal said:
Ridcully has gotten substantially better since that answer was written, so it's possible to likely that he could divine the emergence of psykers of sufficient power (aka Beta and higher).

The issue as I see it is that Ridcully actions are fairly valuable, and said divination might not even be able to cover a five year window. Certainly a possibility if Ridcully has a random free slot or if we're facing a full-on crisis in chaotic psykers, but otherwise unlikely to work as a long term solution.

As far as containing the damage Chaos psykers do, we do have several options with more long term impacts going forward, including implementing more runes in our psyker-Hunting forces, producing Alkehestry potions to buff them up, and possibly creating a Grenadier-level psyker hunting specialist force to bulk out their numbers and provide more specialized support.
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Perhaps creating an organization based around the divination of psykers is in order? I am sure we have a decent amount of diviner on Avernus, let's direct some of them to seek out unknown psykers.

In my opinion, Ridcully's divinations are far too valuable to the Trust and Galaxy at large to be used for something as comparatively minor as witch hunting. Though it may be beneficial to allow Ridcully to have part in the creation of this Diviner's Order. Afterall, I'm sure the Blind Seer knows a thing or two about divination.
 
invictus1829 said:
Perhaps creating an organization based around the divination of psykers is in order? I am sure we have a decent amount of diviner on Avernus, let's direct some of them to seek out unknown psykers.
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The thing is, it effectively needs a high-level Heroic Primaris diviner to be able to see one coming, so any order specializing in that would need to train up an incredibly high value asset in order to be at all effective in that role.

As far as finding psykers once they have actually gotten powers, those are called Witchfinders. While adding a few major Diviners to that role might increase their effectiveness, I doubt it would be worth devoting an order to.
 
invictus1829 said:
Perhaps creating an organization based around the divination of psykers is in order? I am sure we have a decent amount of diviner on Avernus, let's direct some of them to seek out unknown psykers.

In my opinion, Ridcully's divinations are far too valuable to the Trust and Galaxy at large to be used for something as comparatively minor as witch hunting. Though it may be beneficial to allow Ridcully to have part in the creation of this Diviner's Order. Afterall, I'm sure the Blind Seer knows a thing or two about divination.
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It's a good start, though that's more or less covered by the Order of Omens and the Psy-Hunters. It might be better to create a smaller scale order of omens (With a name like the the Ordnung Zivilschutzes or something) designed to predict threats to population centers. On Avernus this would help with wildlife and psyker threats, and if we can disseminate it outwards it to the Midgard and Vanaheim offices it would help with cult activity and threats towards Vanaheim's naval production.

@Durin Would something like the above be viable?
 
Chlof said:
It's a good start, though that's more or less covered by the Order of Omens and the Psy-Hunters. It might be better to create a smaller scale order of omens (With a name like the the Ordnung Zivilschutzes or something) designed to predict threats to population centers. On Avernus this would help with wildlife and psyker threats, and if we can disseminate it outwards it to the Midgard and Vanaheim offices it would help with cult activity and threats towards Vanaheim's naval production.

@Durin Would something like the above be viable?
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It would but would be another drain on diviners
 
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