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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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Runing away, won't it be bad in the long run, if the trust gets too powerful in a short time and expanded too quickly, they might surpass Abaddon.

Is he a idiot, does he not understand that Avernus has better tech military, better heroes, if the trust remains unchecked it could surpasss a level 4 waagh.
 
Saotome Nakazawa said:
Runing away, won't it be bad in the long run, if the trust gets too powerful in a short time and expanded too quickly, they might surpass Abaddon.

Is he a idiot, does he not understand that Avernus has better tech military, better heroes, if the trust remains unchecked it could surpasss a level 4 waagh.
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No we're not...

We're not surpassing any of those any time soon...like at all.

Also hence why I said run away to a different end of the galaxy, he's a daemon prince he doesn't have to stay in Segmentum Pacifius.
 
Saotome Nakazawa said:
Runing away, won't it be bad in the long run, if the trust gets too powerful in a short time and expanded too quickly, they might surpass Abaddon.

Is he a idiot, does he not understand that Avernus has better tech military, better heroes, if the trust remains unchecked it could surpasss a level 4 waagh.
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the trust is currently 0.02% the size of the Black Imperium, even though you are several times as much power per world you would still need to grow a hundred fold to be even a minor threat to Abbadon, and a thousand fold to be a major threat. Given your travel speed and its limitations growing that big would be near impossible.
your growth rate is fast but not unmatched, while the Trust is scary on the local scale you are still a long, long, way from being a galactic power, if you can even reach that far.
for comparison that is around the same population difference as between Iceland and China
 
Doomed Wombat said:
@Durin
1. So far how have casualties been for the Eldar? Hopefully not too bad?
2. What are Ghost ships and what can they do?
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1. pretty low and mostly concentratedf on the wraiths that act as the line of battle
2. they are fast, stealthy, heavily armorued cruisers armed with naval D-Cannons and are designed to totally wreck enemy super capitals and hyper capitals. They are crewed entirely by wraiths for sanity reasons
 
@Durin
1. Technical question. At what rate are Lifeguard batalions thided? Not (because they are special), Hellguard or something else?
1a. If they are thided where are they deployed? (Which generals bodygards)
1b. If not whould the Trust military want some?
2. Would "(creation of a) Pantreon" be a valid research goal for Lin? I ask because for different gods to form a pantreon could/would require more than just agreeing.
 
Portec said:
@Durin
1. Technical question. At what rate are Lifeguard batalions thided? Not (because they are special), Hellguard or something else?
1a. If they are thided where are they deployed? (Which generals bodygards)
1b. If not whould the Trust military want some?
2. Would "(creation of a) Pantreon" be a valid research goal for Lin? I ask because for different gods to form a pantreon could/would require more than just agreeing.
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1. Helguard
1a. all Imperil Trust Generals
2. only after he has reached an existing pantheon
 
Honestly, I want to go Major. Over Hvergelmir, we inflicted absolutely disproportionate damage to Turoq's heavy forces, destroying 4 battleships (@Durin, is it correct?), 5 Grand Cruisers and 40 Heavy Cruisers, while losing 4 HCs ourselves. And that's outnumbered 3 to 1 in GCs and 6 to 1 in rest of the cruisers, and that's without Rotbart's military genius or Dreadnoughts/Command Battleships. Over Asgard, we are not even 2 to 1 outnumbered. Even with DarkMech ships being superior in quality, I think it is very possible to push them off and maintain (partial) orbital control, without suffering catastrophic loses.
 
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I wonder if it was the Eldar insertion that buggered the 400 space marines or if they met the helguard.
Probably a mix with not an inconsiderate number died trying to save turuq.
Oh also on this discussion about the morality of killing turuq note that he has created a deamon world and was a deamon prince himself these are not actions you can accomplish without some serious sacrifices, crimes or slaughters.
 
Oh, and also, I think both Mechancicus fleets has already reached their targets, so, technically, information about Turoq being dead comes from the future and both fleet battles will be already in-progress/over by the time Eldar reinforcements arrive.
 
agumentic said:
Honestly, I want to go Major. Over Hvergelmir, we inflicted absolutely disproportionate damage to Turoq's heavy forces, destroying 4 battleships (@Durin, is it correct?), 5 Grand Cruisers and 40 Heavy Cruisers, while losing 4 HCs ourselves. And that's outnumbered 3 to 1 in GCs and 6 to 1 in rest of the cruisers, and that's without Rotbart's military genius or Dreadnoughts/Command Battleships. Over Asgard, we are not even 2 to 1 outnumbered. Even with DarkMech ships being superior in quality, I think it is very possible to push them off and maintain (partial) orbital control, without suffering catastrophic loses.
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You're failing to account for the difference defense stations make. We lost a huge number of those in that battle.
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edit: going by just yard time, calculating slip years ( number of slips multiplied by time) an escort takes 3 slip years, and an escort cruiser takes 21. so we'd be getting a seventh the screening ships, but they would be much better. a monk has a bit more than twice the hp of a frigate, and a bit less than twice the armor. AA is a steep loss, though it does bring in more strike fighters. hmmm, this sounds like something we'd want to wargame out to test.
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Forgot to point this out at the time, and it was worth bringing up since it affects the calculation quite significantly. A destroyer takes 3 slip-years. A frigate takes 5 slip-years. It's not all escorts at 3 slip-years. So the calculation on number of escorts isn't as simple as 1/7th as many. The destroyers as you can see in this recent battle die even faster than frigates because they have even less armor and less hp. (Though it does bother me that destroyers are smaller than frigates in 40k, but can't do anything about that.)
 
Durin said:
the trust is currently 0.02% the size of the Black Imperium, even though you are several times as much power per world you would still need to grow a hundred fold to be even a minor threat to Abbadon, and a thousand fold to be a major threat. Given your travel speed and its limitations growing that big would be near impossible.
your growth rate is fast but not unmatched, while the Trust is scary on the local scale you are still a long, long, way from being a galactic power, if you can even reach that far.
for comparison that is around the same population difference as between Iceland and China
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We do have that potential however. And we are already exercising it via tech sharing.

It would probably take about a millenia for us to reach the space of Abby's empire if we wholly focused on it, which I doubt we'd do.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
True, but we also have more defence stations :).
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We actually have less over Asgard. Which is kind of showing that Asgard hasn't invested enough in orbital defenses if a random colony had more than them. Fortunately they have a Ramilies to make up the difference.
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I don't account for them because we have almost the same number on Asgard.
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You tried to establish ratios without including them though, and ratios will be affected by them being roughly the same number in both cases compared to a very different enemy fleet size. Plus not including them in the casualty comparisons despite them being essentially the bulk of the allied casualties.
 
inverted_helix said:
We actually have less over Asgard. Which is kind of showing that Asgard hasn't invested enough in orbital defenses if a random colony had more than them. Fortunately they have a Ramilies to make up the difference.
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On the one hand Asgard is a knight world, those expensive.

On the other hand so was Hvglimir.

On the tentacle Hvglimir was getting bigger subsidies (I think).
 
You know give how bad the blade being stolen would be. Is already pretty amazing than PM allow the MC do what he does with the blade. And its show either a lot of trust in him... or very good divination.

And if everything else fail at the very least we now know that even some of our enemies will divine either 'doom or Nope' when they think about taking that blade... and now I am think how many daemons died until they got the mensage.
 
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