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No thermonuclear tiger in this plan though.
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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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Those loses; we had as many advantages as we could get even with having to fight a two front war... and we lost most of our elites to Orks. They were suped up Orks yes but still.
We need those DOAT tech Titans, Roskilde and time and I don't think we're lucky enough to get the latter.
We need those DOAT tech Titans, Roskilde and time and I don't think we're lucky enough to get the latter.
Yeah, it would definitely be a pain. But throwing them intelligence support, arms shipments plus fleet support (with Exterminatus weapons and Descent Destroyers enabling us to make decisive interventions in ground campaigns without getting close to gribblies) is probably necessary if we want to avoid having to lead a desperate attack on their former territory to dig out fortified Nu-Orks rapidly building up into a Tier 3 Waaagh.
The only other option is to scratch enough forces together between Waaaaghs to conquer the two Chaos polities and build them up enough that we can hold them against Ork attacks. It isn't looking like this is currently feasible if we regularily experience the sort of losses we took against Gutcrumpa.
I will also strongly advocate for full tech sharing + working towards medium term political unification with Dragons Nest. Those Orks are utterly terrifying, and the Trust, for all its sophistication, isn't big enough to survive against any serious concentration of them. With the Nest fully integrated we might be big enough to eat the local Chaos polities between fending of smaller Waaghs. That might allow us to expand to a size where we could survive a Tier 3 Waaagh with huge losses. And mark my words, even if we play it perfectly with the polities we know about and keep them from turning into a Tier 3 Ork Empire, outside of our zone of influence countless Tier 3 Ork Empires are forming as we speak. Conquering 100 worlds is trivially easy for them with their new power. And eventually one of those Empires is going to send a Waaagh in our general direction.
Our previous strategy of being a small, hard target doesn't seem like it will help us against the New Orks. Right now we need to expand or die.
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- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
sort of significantly, they will still fight to the last Ork but will lose most of their discipline at larger scales
Damn, that's probably decades worth of psykers and Astartes. Plus a lost hero unit. Though fortunately hero generation rate is rather high in this crucible so I feel like the loss of elites is actually worse here.
They really should have thrown some more chaff at them. Billions of guard are easier to replace.
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- Asia
It's just disgusting, how powerful these Orks are.
Our elites and more importantly the Astartes got chewed out. Even the knights weren't that effective against gargants.
I think it's obvious that we have pretty much hit a ceiling on the power levels of our infantry.
We need to beef up our space vessels and mechanized forces. The new titans should be a priority.
I think it's a very bad idea to try and make a deal with the Chaos polities. I think Chaos wouldn't mind sacrificing those polities to take us out. So any deal with them will in all probability blow up in our faces.
A better idea as suggested before would be to pursue political unification with the Dragon' s Nest and slowly conquer the surrounding Chaos polities.
Our elites and more importantly the Astartes got chewed out. Even the knights weren't that effective against gargants.
I think it's obvious that we have pretty much hit a ceiling on the power levels of our infantry.
We need to beef up our space vessels and mechanized forces. The new titans should be a priority.
I think it's a very bad idea to try and make a deal with the Chaos polities. I think Chaos wouldn't mind sacrificing those polities to take us out. So any deal with them will in all probability blow up in our faces.
A better idea as suggested before would be to pursue political unification with the Dragon' s Nest and slowly conquer the surrounding Chaos polities.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Thankfully rebuilding those elites should be quicker now, at least on the astartes front.
@Durin
1. Just to check will rebuilding the Guard be quicker now that they have more qualified teachers to help them out rather than just relying on the 15 and having access to geneseed immediately??
On the subject of chaos and dragons.
I think that at the moment unifying with the Dragon's is a long way off in the sense of putting the cart before the horse, on the other hand I certainly think we should confederate with them.
Chaos...no no and hell no.
No negotiation with em.
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- Elsewhere
That is an aweful aweful idea, on so many levels. I'd rather us die to an unending tide of orcs then deal with chaos.
- Location
- Asia
Would reconstituting the Deathwatch jointly with the Dragon's Nest help ?
I think we need a permanent force to make sure that the Orks in our locality don't gang up and form bigger Waaghs.
I think we need a permanent force to make sure that the Orks in our locality don't gang up and form bigger Waaghs.
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- Leicester UK
On Discord Durin has said that the core of veteran Guard's we now have will make training up new marines far easier
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
I suppose Tamia could make this worse, incite civil orkish war?
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Nah apparently we'd be able to do it.
The main thing about the fleet is that it seems like the heavy elements are pretty much fine its the escorts that've been ****ed and as we saw the Abominites don't do too well against us.
Not saying we should do it without BD help though.
So our future goals for surviving what's coming;
Political
-Form closer ties to DN(as much as practical) and keep those ties strong if not continue building them up.
-Cozy up with Eldar(?)
Technology
-Upgraded Titans
-Roskilde
-The Data Files we recovered
Military
-Rebuild
-Lessons Learned
-Disern better means of fighting Beast Orks.
Am I missing anything?
Political
-Form closer ties to DN(as much as practical) and keep those ties strong if not continue building them up.
-Cozy up with Eldar(?)
Technology
-Upgraded Titans
-Roskilde
-The Data Files we recovered
Military
-Rebuild
-Lessons Learned
-Disern better means of fighting Beast Orks.
Am I missing anything?
dragon
Ancalagon the Black
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- The Skies of Arda
I'd be worried about a surprse chaos invasion while the troops were occupied by valinor, if the trust went solo. The neighboring chaos polities have been suspiciously quiet, they're building up to something.
We can't really afford to ground invade but we still have the space assets to destroy their remaining ships and their orbital industry. Maybe do a little bit of opportunistic bombardment before having them come home.
I don't see much point in trying to hold the ground anyway though. Even the non-daemon worlds are probably so chaos corrupted we'd be spending all our time purifying it. And we just don't have the resources to spend fortifying them against the orcs.
I'd really be tempted to outright ignore them. They aren't going to have the forces for another Crusade for a century probably, and we really need to focus on building up to fight off the orks. Crusades from other Abomination holdings will probably be tied up fighting off orks.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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Not really.
Only other thing I can think of is trade with the Nyne to get their alkehestry.
True, but we can't leave Valinor so bunch up with BD and win or not.
Frankly I'd go beyond that and just bombard them to death.
They don't have our near exemption to bombardment and almost all our really powerful ships are still in one piece so I say purify their worlds in fire.
Most are pollutant filled hell holes anyway and that's before the chaos corruption.
Either way I'm not comfortable leaving Valinor alone.
dragon
Ancalagon the Black
- Location
- The Skies of Arda
That reasoning, while true, makes it very difficult to permanently remove the threat of chaos held worlds. With valinor in our backyard, we have to get rid of them. I'm tempted to transplant avernite species and see if the planet mind can cleanse those worlds. Or if banishment runes writ large can cleanse areas of the planet.
Or something, because we need to remove that avenue of attack and get the resources of those worlds working for us.
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- Alice Springs, Australia
1. yes far quicker, you expect to get back the this number in around 30-40 years
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- France
Might have to approach the Necron for help against the Super Orks.
No Chaos though, especially since one of the big 4 is absolutely terrified at the idea of Humans waking something on Avernus. I'm pretty sure he would take his chance wiping out the avernites if he can.
Just how strict is the training of our people anyways? We might have to add another layer of training here....
No Chaos though, especially since one of the big 4 is absolutely terrified at the idea of Humans waking something on Avernus. I'm pretty sure he would take his chance wiping out the avernites if he can.
Just how strict is the training of our people anyways? We might have to add another layer of training here....
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
@Durin
1. I've been having a bit of trouble finding exactly how much damage our fleet took, is it fair to say that the heavy ships (grand Cruisers up) haven't taken too much of a pounding, but below that everything's been trashed?
2. Do we know how well Syr did in the space battle?
3. Does Scott think that she'll be able to use this (the orks) to push her agenda much? IIRC you said its a blow for the conservatives like Bertil who think that the orks are not a big deal, but what about the admech? I imagine some of them were banking on the orks changing so little that they didn't have to alter themselves much?
Training starts as soon as a baby can start thinking IIRC.
Not sure where we could add more training, but if you have suggestions we're all ears...seriously more training is needed.
That powerful a warband does suggest a rather old waaargh,
1. I've been having a bit of trouble finding exactly how much damage our fleet took, is it fair to say that the heavy ships (grand Cruisers up) haven't taken too much of a pounding, but below that everything's been trashed?
2. Do we know how well Syr did in the space battle?
3. Does Scott think that she'll be able to use this (the orks) to push her agenda much? IIRC you said its a blow for the conservatives like Bertil who think that the orks are not a big deal, but what about the admech? I imagine some of them were banking on the orks changing so little that they didn't have to alter themselves much?
We use a combination of the Cadia milita system, combined with Catachan levels of constant combat/survival experience.
Training starts as soon as a baby can start thinking IIRC.
Not sure where we could add more training, but if you have suggestions we're all ears...seriously more training is needed.
Makes sense.
That powerful a warband does suggest a rather old waaargh,
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Agreed. Valinor is mainly a threat to us so long as they've got a navy, and if they don't then we can take them out at a more leisurely pace. Taking out their orbital industry will keep them from building new ships, and regular scouring can ensure they can't build it up while we've got a few dedicated task forces working on orbital bombardment of their cities. Another thing to consider is that we'll utterly destroy their trade vessels, keeping their planets from trading with one another and thus causing those planets to be weakened - their economy won't be backed by many of the economic STCs we have, and several of their worlds wouldn't be able to supply themselves with everything they need even if they did.
Several worlds will end up starving without access to their Agri-World's food production, especially their Hive World. Other worlds won't be able to get enough Promethium, which means they won't be able to keep the Void Shields running at full power. Other worlds won't be getting enough Metal, which means unemployment and loss of industry, likely causing riots.
We just need to ensure we put on enough pressure that they're not able to recover.