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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

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Stormgear said:
Dude, enough with the princeps already. I dig giant robots plenty, but this is getting silly.
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Why not? It's something that can work.

Saint Lin is called The Last Saint for a reason. He is invaluable. And if he has to die, we should make sure that it is not in vain.
And having your soul becoming a part of Titan's Machine Spirit and continuing serve humanity is a pretty good afterlife in Warhammer.

ArchAIngel said:
I mean giant HOLY stompy robot is a hilarious idea but Lin would need a lotta training and I don't think he has the time left for that.
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If he will abdicate his position as the head of church and start training, than he probably will have just enough time.
 
Dude, no mad science with the Saint. Let him choose what he wants to do and what is to be done with his remains when the time comes. The dude is literally responsible for the Trust having a firm moral foundation and reasonable ethical standards, especially given that we're in WH40k. Going strict utilitarian with him is a direct refutation of the higher moral standard he has spent his life promoting.
 
in this case is more because his soul is burning (the core of his being), giving a example there would not be a Lin to be a pilot since he would be gone when he die. And like I said I don't think that we have the means to have a 'next saint' or to save his power, because everyone in trust leadership is, at very last, competent, they are aware that he will be gone, and had probably done everything that they could, the fact the only actions that we had done were things like 'codex' or 'reform' or 'converte more people' shows that we don't have the means or that we had not find then (yet, that is my hope).

if we want ideas for this, maybe if he survive the war with the orks (since all Attempts against his life from the chaos factions), we can ask the oracule to see how the emperor made saints when he was alive or try to 'see' the moment that Lin had become a saint (again I think that this will not work) or we can ask the inquisition/SM since they have more experience with saints and his 'problem' can't be a isolate case (again someone had probably done this already).
 
Reynal said:
Dude, no mad science with the Saint. Let him choose what he wants to do and what is to be done with his remains when the time comes. The dude is literally responsible for the Trust having a firm moral foundation and reasonable ethical standards, especially given that we're in WH40k. Going strict utilitarian with him is a direct refutation of the higher moral standard he has spent his life promoting.
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But he hasn't promoted that. His position on the Siren Trade was decidedly rather mixed. His teachings are very pragmatic and utilitarian. It's just that morality is pragmatic as far as resisting Chaos goes. The absolute highest priority for him and the Emperor has always been the survival of humanity. Everything else is a means to that end.
 
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Andres110 said:
But he hasn't promoted that. His position on the Siren Trade was decidedly rather mixed. His teachings are very pragmatic and utilitarian. It's just that morality is pragmatic as far as resisting Chaos goes. The absolute highest priority for him and the Emperor has always been the survival of humanity. Everything else is a means to that end.
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Based on what I remember for Durin's post, his position on the sirens was almost entirely dictated with the question of if involuntary soul destruction of people fallen to Chaos was a mercy. And ultimately he was undecided.
 
Reynal said:
Dude, no mad science with the Saint. Let him choose what he wants to do and what is to be done with his remains when the time comes. The dude is literally responsible for the Trust having a firm moral foundation and reasonable ethical standards, especially given that we're in WH40k. Going strict utilitarian with him is a direct refutation of the higher moral standard he has spent his life promoting.
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Dude, you make it sound as if I offer to forcibly put him in a Pain Engine.
 
First of all, it is astronomically unlikely that he would be accepted by any kind of titan, knight or otherwise, possibly resulting in death as he is painfully rejected. Secondly titans are already holy relics of the machine god and tons of promethium poured on yhe heads of your enemy or a chainsword the size of a house will probably be just as effective when technoligically holy as when it is imperially holy.

Trust your advisors. He has served up until now loyal to you and the imperium for most of his grossly elongated life. Cant you let an old man choose how he wants to die, the rites he wants, and respect and honor them?
 
Andres110 said:
Saint Lin is capable of purifying items of Chaos corruption which makes this a non-problem on its own, but there's also the fact that techsorcists exist. Their job is to purify technology of Chaos corruption, so Lin isn't even required to make Chaos-tainted technology usable.
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Unfortunately as you yourself asked if we had them

Andres110 said:
1. Does the Ordo Malleus within the Trust have any techsorcists with them?
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Durin said:
1. no
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We do not have them, though the Inquisition is open to trying and hopefully the new and more powerful rune would make them better, but ya know xenos.

On the other hand its screw chaos so ya never know.

As for Lin (there are direct quotes for this, but tracking them down is a bloody nightmare) he finds purifying large amounts of stuff to be a very hard and tiring process... and he's most likely going to be dead in lets be generous and say 60 years.

And the reason we cannot study him is mostly because he is too bright for anyone to see anything of value.

Possibly with more experience of Ridcully we can analyse the frequency of the emperor (though we might have already done that), but I fear attempting to meta game the system won't end well.
 
V.M.P. said:
First of all, it is astronomically unlikely that he would be accepted by any kind of titan, knight or otherwise, possibly resulting in death as he is painfully rejected. Secondly titans are already holy relics of the machine god and tons of promethium poured on yhe heads of your enemy or a chainsword the size of a house will probably be just as effective when technoligically holy as when it is imperially holy.

Trust your advisors. He has served up until now loyal to you and the imperium for most of his grossly elongated life. Cant you let an old man choose how he wants to die, the rites he wants, and respect and honor them?
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First, what one needs to pilot a Titan is colossal willpower, and Lin has it. Second, lets just ask Durin if it's plausible at all and what Lin and other advisers think about it before dismissing the idea.
 
True Metal Power said:
First, what one needs to pilot a Titan is colossal willpower, and Lin has it. Second, lets just ask Durin if it's plausible at all and what Lin and other advisers think about it before dismissing the idea.
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I'm semi certain no I've got better things to do than learn to use a giant machine that I'll only be able to use for a few years at best.

And then there's the amputations.
 
True Metal Power said:
First, what one needs to pilot a Titan is colossal willpower, and Lin has it. Second, lets just ask Durin if it's plausible at all and what Lin and other advisers think about it before dismissing the idea.
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It is possible but has a chance of killing him or making his soul burn out faster, and there is a high chance that nothing of him would be left after his death. Remember he is dying of his soul being burnt out by its own power, that is a very unavoidable and permanent death.c
 
Durin said:
It is possible but has a chance of killing him or making his soul burn out faster, and there is a high chance that nothing of him would be left after his death. Remember he is dying of his soul being burnt out by its own power, that is a very unavoidable and permanent death.c
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Oh... perma death...

Well not much we can do I fear...

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@Durin
Alex pears said:
@Durin
1. Can we send out our surveyors to check the Hulks? I know the chances of finding anything are miniscule, but it's not like they're doing much ATM.
2. Is Sanctus Fuorum a Mars Alpha pattern (it was made on Mars during or slightly before the Great Crusade after all)
3. The other two Warlord titans Mars Beta or Lucius Alpha patterns.
4. How big are the Warlords in your interpretation, cause it can range from 33 to 200 metres.
5. Apparently many forge worlds that could make them had their own patterns of Warlord Titan? Given Atlas was a forge world apparently specialising in macro war machines (atlas, capitol imperiali ect.) did they have one?
6. Do the Blood Dragons have any Titans the Atlas Magi rescued from Atlas before it was sacked?
7. Will the rebuilding action get bonus from
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These omakes.

You said they did once upon a time
8. Does Sarnow think he could spread his information network into the navies of the other worlds?
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Durin said:
It is possible but has a chance of killing him or making his soul burn out faster, and there is a high chance that nothing of him would be left after his death. Remember he is dying of his soul being burnt out by its own power, that is a very unavoidable and permanent death.c
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So it may be worth trying when he will have less time left, as it will mean that he will have nothing to lose. What does he think about it personally? And how long is Princeps training before they can pilot Titans?
 
@Durin, it seems that it will be worth the risk later, as he has nothing to lose.
1) So, what does he think about it?
2) How long Princeps' training takes before they can pilot Titans?
3) How would Mechanicus react?
4) Other IT factions?
5) How much imprint that a Princeps leaves on the Titan depends on the time they spent piloting?
6) What are the other factors? Princeps dying while connected probably should greatly affect it.
7) BTW, is the soul burning caused by lack of connection to the Emperor? It seems that Saints didn't suffered from it when the Emperor was active.
 
True Metal Power said:
@Durin, it seems that it will be worth the risk later, as he has nothing to lose.
1) So, what does he think about it?
2) How long Princeps' training takes before they can pilot Titans?
3) How would Mechanicus react?
4) Other IT factions?
5) How much imprint that a Princeps leaves on the Titan depends on the time they spent piloting?
6) What are the other factors? Princeps dying while connected probably should greatly affect it.
7) BTW, is the soul burning caused by lack of connection to the Emperor? It seems that Saints didn't suffered from it when the Emperor was active.
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1. He is unsure
2. 20 years
3. Not well but not terribly
4. If it works well, if it does not terribly
5. It is very dependent on time
6. And will and how much of the should suvivies
7. Yes it is, usually the empower would be carrying part of the load
 
How about we don't treat Lin like an experiment and make his last year's agony filled by messing with his body as he approaches complete soul annihilation.
Maybe treat him like a respected Holy man and let him face total oblivion in dignity?
 
Alex pears said:
And if that is true in Embers I'll be surprised.
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Unless Durin has specifically stated otherwise 40K canon remain Embers canon. Most likely the AdMech just had a bureaucratic screw-up, swapping the Warhound and Warlord numbers.

my guess
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Alternate theory: The Warlord is better in most circumstances than any of the others. The Warhound is a scout, a job that can generally be handled by conventional troops or vehicles. The Reaver is designed for support, a job that can generally be handled by artillery. The Warlord is either a line breaker or a mobile fortress depending on whether you are attacking or defending, jobs that no non-titan can do even remotely as effectively. The Imperator is better at it, but those as ludicrously expansive in addition to being overkill most of the time.

Enjou said:
Specifically it says it's the most numerous Battle Titan. Warhounds are considered Scout Titans, so probably aren't counted in regards to this. My guess is that Reavers are less commonly used because they're somewhat more niche, which may also be why we were able to buy them.
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Incorrect. The direct quote is:
"Lexicanum" said:
It is the most numerous of Imperial Titans
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'Imperial Titans' covers everything from Knights up.

Do note that while Knights are smaller and cheaper there were never many Knight Worlds and thus never many pilots. While Titans were used by every Forge World.
 
Angelform said:
Do note that while Knights are smaller and cheaper there were never many Knight Worlds and thus never many pilots. While Titans were used by every Forge World.
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Not every forge world.

Many Forge Worlds have one, but far from all of them.

I'm also not sure as to how many had the ability to produce titans on their own.

Most I imagine were like us able to repair and maintain them, but lacking the design for building new ones.
 
@Durin

1. Are Pyromancers capable of classic pyromancy? That is, divination through fire. ('pyro' means fire; 'mancy' comes from 'manteia', which means prophecy/divination)
2. If not, is that something we could look into?
 
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There are other fire-related forms of divination (IRL), like plastiomancy (reading how tortoise shell cracks after being fired) and scapulamancy (reading how ox shoulder blades crack after being fired). These were practiced in ancient China and are evidence of some of the earliest forms of Chinese writing (also known as oracle bones).
 
Andres110 said:
@Durin

1. Are Pyromancers capable of classic pyromancy? That is, divination through fire. ('pyro' means fire; 'mancy' comes from 'manteia', which means prophecy/divination)
2. If not, is that something we could look into?
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1. Anyone capable of that would be considered to be a diviner as well,by definition if you are skilled at any form of divination you are a diviner
 
@Durin
Alex pears said:
@Durin
1. Can we send out our surveyors to check the Hulks? I know the chances of finding anything are miniscule, but it's not like they're doing much ATM.
2. Is Sanctus Fuorum a Mars Alpha pattern (it was made on Mars during or slightly before the Great Crusade after all)
3. The other two Warlord titans Mars Beta or Lucius Alpha patterns.
4. How big are the Warlords in your interpretation, cause it can range from 33 to 200 metres.
5. Apparently many forge worlds that could make them had their own patterns of Warlord Titan? Given Atlas was a forge world apparently specialising in macro war machines (atlas, capitol imperiali ect.) did they have one?
6. Do the Blood Dragons have any Titans the Atlas Magi rescued from Atlas before it was sacked?
7. Will the rebuilding action get bonus from
Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) | Page 1596
Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) | Page 1711 Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) | Page 1862
These omakes.

You said they did once upon a time
8. Does Sarnow think he could spread his information network into the navies of the other worlds?
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If you have time.
 
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