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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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    Votes: 592 80.3%

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    Votes: 145 19.7%
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[X] Use Exterminatus on any world that is to tough to take and strategically important due to resources, infrastructure or population, estimated 8-20. -Governor Olaf, Governor-General Aelfric, Governor Garp, Lord-Marshal Sigard and Fabricator-General Scott are supporting this proposal.
 
[X] Use Exterminatus on any world that is to tough to take and strategically important due to resources, infrastructure or population, estimated 8-20. -Governor Olaf, Governor-General Aelfric, Governor Garp, Lord-Marshal Sigard and Fabricator-General Scott are supporting this proposal.


thatguy said:
You all realize that now we are filling the role that the insane inquisitors would fill in pursuing radical solutions, right?
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Nah, the more seriously radical inquisitors were much more extreme than us.
 
[X] Use Exterminatus on any world that is to tough to take and strategically important due to resources, infrastructure or population, estimated 8-20. -GovernorOlaf, Governor-General Aelfric, Governor Garp, Lord-Marshal Sigard and Fabricator-General Scott are supporting this proposal.
 
Durin said:
also worlds with particularly high populations and metal rich worlds, while Orks can make advanced tech out of scrap they still need the scrap,
1. no chance, they know exactly how valuable the forge designs are
2. thrones does not work in inter-polity trade, they have a different currency
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awww
 
ArchAIngel said:
If we have twenty, and are holding back 10, how does the middle option even work?

I mean, if it's just 8 targets, okay, but if it's more than 10, do they just choose priorities?

Or do they hope Tranth will pull off a miracle in that case?
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We have 30-50 years until the Orks go into overdrive. Tranth will need at least ten to reverse engineer the Cyclonic Torpedoes for use. After that we can make more, and I doubt it takes that long to make a few more.
 
ArchAIngel said:
If we have twenty, and are holding back 10, how does the middle option even work?

I mean, if it's just 8 targets, okay, but if it's more than 10, do they just choose priorities?

Or do they hope Tranth will pull off a miracle in that case?
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We are not going to use the Extetminatus weapons for a couple decades at least, by the time we do we will have reverse engineered them and made extra.

Durin said:
As this is happening Archmagos Tranth will be attempting to reverse engineer Exterminatus weaponry, which will then be used against Tugozak's Domain after the nearby regions have been secured
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TotallyNotEvil said:
It doesn't undermine his point, however, and the master politicians of the Trust should pounce on that. They are relevieng an enormous amount of pressure on the Blood Dragons, removing great threats to their flanks and freeing up a ton of resources.
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yes but the argument is weakened by the fact that they are also threats tot he Trust and the fact that the Blood Dragons are fighting as well, while you may get a better deal it will be hard to portray yourselves as selfless, or even that friendly given just how much tech you are not letting them use even as you are warning of massive disaster.
it seems a self centered tech sharing policy does not endear yourself to others, how surprising
 
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Betrayal for the Traitors
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    • Omake - Betrayal for the Traitors

    Hard steps of the Jack Footed thugs of the false emperor ring out. A woman with a neutral face looks at me sizing me up to make sure I am who she knows I damn well am.

    'Roger Friegberg. In the name of the Law your sentence has been commuted with death by the eating of your soul.'

    What.

    'What?'

    'Your soul will be fed the Sirens of Azure Bay so that your tainted soul can serve a better purpose than to litter our graveyards.' she says matter of factly. She finishes with the word 'scum' in clear defamation of my purpose. What have my people come to under the aura of the false-corpse Emperor that feeding humans to these foul creatures is considered a service. I have no say however.

    I murdered my neighbors one night when my Lord Khorne asked for there blood and I gave it to him by way of my hatchets. I still remember killing my wife first by beheading her. her face frozen in confusion but with a small glint of horror. She was my first skull. I would have 14 more that night before the police apprehaneded me and the Arbtiers took over the case after confirming my allegiance.

    'I am a veteran damnit! I deserve bette-' is all I have to say before she walks away. She doesn't even care..damn her. My Lord Khorne won't be able to save me nor could the Emperor if I was still in his protections.

    Madness.

    I should have killed 14 more before they took me. If only I had known, if only my people would know about this they too would be up in arms just like we should be over this betrayal.
     
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    • [X] Use Exterminatus on any world that is to tough to take and strategically important due to resources, infrastructure or population, estimated 8-20. –Governor Olaf, Governor-General Aelfric, Governor Garp, Lord-Marshal Sigard and Fabricator-General Scott are supporting this proposal.
    Still against throwing planet killers about as a preventative measure… but if we are going to then we should do so properly.

    I wonder how usable resource rich worlds are after being exterminatused? The biosphere is gone but the metal should still be available and it isn't like we haven't already colonised an airless lump of resources. Might need to wait for the tectonic and volcanic activity to die down but that shouldn't take more than a century, perhaps less.
     
    [X] Use Exterminatus on only the toughest Ork Worlds, such as their major shipyards and capital worlds, estimated 3-6.- The Inquisition, First Artisan Granalf, Governor Ulric and King Zaren are supporting this proposal.
     
    I know this is not true but, this look like we are doing a waaagh, we are literally 'stomp' them almost as hard as possible^^. at last they cant say this not a fool play, they try 'stomp' avernus first (and that was and is a ork idea) after all.
    (sorry for the poor english).
     
    Durin said:
    yes but the argument is weakened by the fact that they are also threats tot he Trust and the fact that the Blood Dragons are fighting as well, while you may get a better deal it will be hard to portray yourselves as selfless, or even that friendly given just how much tech you are not letting them use even as you are warning of massive disaster.
    it seems a self centered tech sharing policy does not endear yourself to others, how surprising
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    Oh, I never thought to portray ourselves as selfless in doing it.

    But doing it we are, and they are benefitting from such even as we are wasting resources, in a maner, to do it fast.

    When compared to Advanced Astartes PA, loaning a few merchantmen should be like getting free shipping on ebay, it's courtesy, especially due their size as a conglomerate.

    Besides, they wouldn't be losing military vessels to orks, that alone is a huge payoff.

    I'm merely arguing for a good deal.
     
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    Durin said:
    it seems a self centered tech sharing policy does not endear yourself to others, how surprising
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    Mind you, the Blood Dragons would be reluctant to share tech with others as well if put in our shoes. Spreading tech risks tech spreading further than you want, after all. Nothing at all stops the Blood Dragons from spreading any tech we give them, if they were inclined to.

    Angelform said:
    I wonder how usable resource rich worlds are after being exterminatused? The biosphere is gone but the metal should still be available and it isn't like we haven't already colonised an airless lump of resources. Might need to wait for the tectonic and volcanic activity to die down but that shouldn't take more than a century, perhaps less.
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    Usable to us? Not very, but mainly due to location. Usable in general? Well, if we have one-stage Cyclonic Torpedoes then the world ends up a barren rock - not ideal for colonization, but airless worlds can be colonized. It'd probably be a while before it could be colonized, though. Two-stage? Well, those are used to destroy Necron Tomb Worlds or other worlds devoid of biological life that one-stage really wouldn't work against, so it largely depends on whether the planet is actually shattered and if not how long it takes the crust to cool down, but given how exotic those are it's not likely we actually have them.
     
    My impression of Imperial tech is that it's pretty damn good for making it technically possible to live almost anywhere but does very little to make it pleasant/significantly more earth-like. Plus, our DAoT tech is almost exclusively from Avernus, and I somehow doubt Avernus would have been willing to let any terraforming tech deployed on its surface survive...
     
    Reynal said:
    My impression of Imperial tech is that it's pretty damn good for making it technically possible to live almost anywhere but does very little to make it pleasant/significantly more earth-like.
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    Good living conditions can be achieved with Imperial tech, it's just most Imperial planets don't bother with it due to cost.
     
    TotallyNotEvil said:
    Can always do some terraforming. DAoT is sure to have great techs for it.

    Hell, the Imperium should have good techs for it.
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    The Imperium's terraforming ability is... well, it's one of those things that are rather inconsistent in the fluff. It's possible they could do it, but they weren't any good at it. Or they lost the ability during the Horus Heresy. Or a variety of other answers. But imperial terraforming has never had a major, notable mention that I'm aware of.

    The humans back in the Dark Age of Technology had terraforming tech I'm pretty sure, but we don't have the tech for it ourselves. It would probably have been in the STC constructor on Avernus, but that was damaged and we didn't find that tech in it.

    Chances of us getting terraforming tech are pretty low, unless we put significant research into the subject after the AdMech is sufficiently reformed. Having some Men of Stone might help with figuring out the process. Or, if we're really luck, we might find a plant on Avernus that could be used to Averniform a dead world (not fully make it a death world, but just make it inhabitable - I wouldn't be surprised if the Old Ones put some research into that subject, since they would want to reclaim worlds taken by the Necrons).

    DeusFerreus said:
    Good living conditions can be achieved with Imperial tech, it's just most Imperial planets don't bother with it due to cost.
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    He's talking about living in a sealed habitat vs actually making a breathable atmosphere and a balanced biosphere.
     
    If you are looking for something for nothing a selfless reputation is what you need, especially given that you are looking for assistance with colonisation not combat
     
    Durin said:
    If you are looking for something for nothing a selfless reputation is what you need, especially given that you are looking for assistance with colonisation not combat
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    If we nuke the ork mining worlds via the medium option exterminatus will we still be able to mine them afterwards? Or will the planet be so inhospitable that we won't be able to?
     
    There are lines that should not be crossed , and feeding cultists to sirens dehumanizing other people and species is one of them, feeding cultiststo sirens is similar to feeding psykers to emperor, which is as bad as the abomination.

    Exterminatus should be used as a last resort, planets are limited and the wildlife are innocent. That and the imperium did blow up worlds for trivial reasons sometimes, Abomination bait.
     
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    Saotome Nakazawa said:
    There are lines that should not be crossed , and feeding cultists to sirens dehumanizing other people and species is one of them, feeding cultiststo sirens is similar to feeding psykers to emperor, which is as bad as the abomination.

    Exterminatus should be used as a last resort, planets are limited and the wildlife are innocent. That and the imperium did blow up worlds for trivial reasons sometimes, Abomination bait.
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    I think "It's full of fucking Orks" is a non-trivial reason.

    EDIT: Also, an Ork-infested planet's not going to have much wildlife left, and these planets are too far away to colonize.
     
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    Saotome Nakazawa said:
    There are lines that should not be crossed , and feeding cultists to sirens dehumanizing other people and species is one of them, feeding cultiststo sirens is similar to feeding psykers to emperor, which is as bad as the abomination.

    Exterminatus should be used as a last resort, planets are limited and the wildlife are innocent. That and the imperium did blow up worlds for trivial reasons sometimes, Abomination bait.
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    Unfortunately that is not the galaxy we are living in. Cultists are barely human scum only fit for execution, the Quartok are an anomaly, I don't see guys that nice, human or not, still being alive.

    Also remember the places we are exterminatusing are Ork worlds, any life on them has likely given way to the Orkoid eco system. In addition, survival and growth of the Trust > cute animals.
     
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