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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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Angelform said:
Given our limited numbers I see little point in conquering any of the Ork worlds. It would be a massive investment for room and resources we don't currently need. For the moment simply destroying their fleets, and possibly bombarding whatever industrial complexes they have into craters, removes them as an immediate threat.
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It was a direct recommendation from the Security Council staffed with military geniuses, so I take the idea very seriously. Durin rarely has the NPCs come out and tell us that a strategy is a good idea like that.

As far as I understand it, the idea is not so much that we need the world as it is that the Orks would be overwhelmingly attracted to the idea of reconquering it and more inclined to leave the rest of the Trust alone so they can attack there. It would be a lightning rod for Ork invasions, taking strike after strike so all the other systems are safer.
 
Can you just imagine what sort of world Avernus would be if the Imperium hadn't imploded?

Obviously it wouldn't be as good, but if this Avernus were plopped down in the Old Imperium, it'd have Krieg-tier or Cadian-tier renown for its infantry.
 
@Durin
In case you haven't completely fleshed out Valinor's elites, I have an idea for a uncommon type of elite (only found in the thousands-tens of thousands instead of millions/billions)
An Abomination version of the Grammaton clerics from the movie Equilibrium.



They take pills to suppress their emotions. Are trained in a very complex and precise martial art that requires rote memorization and rigid adherence to a style that allows the wielder to predict where enemy gunfire will be and avoid it, as well as how to aim and fire accurately at enemies without even looking at them. They excel at using ranged weapons at close-medium range and countering gun-wielding opponents in that same range.

So there are several Abomination worshiper themes that I think this potential elite force could embody and help fill out the Abomination's army list, so to speak.
 
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Valerian said:
They take pills to suppress their emotions. Are trained in a very complex and precise martial art that requires rote memorization and rigid adherence to a style that allows the wielder to predict where enemy gunfire will be and avoid it, as well as how to aim and fire accurately at enemies without even looking at them. They excel at using ranged weapons at close-medium range and countering gun-wielding opponents in that same range.
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Emotion suppression and use of mathematics to predict combat events are both things routinely done by the Mechanicus and aren't any more Abominable than swinging a sword without emotional suppression is Khornate.
 
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Andres110 said:
Emotion suppression and use of mathematics to predict combat events are both things routinely done by the Mechanicus and isn't any more Abomination-y than swinging a sword without emotional suppression is Khornate.
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Support/enforces a society that considers all emotions to be evil, rigid adherence to a martial code, very little/no innovation, etc.


I dunno, seems alright to me. The Mechanicus is susceptible to the Abomination as well and choices like that may be why. Chaos is about extremes, so these elites would just be those traits the Mechanicus uses taken to the extreme.
 
Valerian said:
Support/enforces a society that considers all emotions to be evil
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The Mechanicus doesn't consider all emotions to be evil. Just as they suppress some emotions which prove hindrances in combat, like fear, they boost ones that are useful like aggression. Outside of combat, tech priests can have as many or as little emotions as they want, though there is a stigma against irrational ones.

Valerian said:
Support/enforces a society that considers all emotions to be evil, rigid adherence to a martial code, very little/no innovation, etc.
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Rigid adherence to a martial code isn't Abomination bait, it's the basis for all disciplined fighting. The more you rigidly adhere to a martial code, the less you have to think when fighting as you can act according to the martial code without having to think about doing so. Thinking results in hesitation and slowness which is dangerous in a fight, which is why muscle memory and repetition is so important - so you can fight without having to think.
 
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Andres110 said:
Rigid adherence to a martial code isn't Abomination bait, it's the basis for all disciplined fighting. The more you rigidly adhere to a martial code, the less you have to think when fighting as you can act according to the martial code without having to think about doing so. Thinking results in hesitation and slowness which is dangerous in a fight, which is why muscle memory and repetition is so important - so you can fight without having to think.
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Yeah abomination would be more along the lines of losing ones individuality to the whole.

In many ways a Phalanx is more abomination bait than what he's suggesting, though obviously not so much.
 
I think that we will be priority target for Valinor. Probably all remnants that get warning from Emperor are main enemy of Abomination forces. Because they want to silence us.
 
True Metal Power said:
I think that we will be priority target for Valinor. Probably all remnants that get warning from Emperor are main enemy of Abomination forces. Because they want to silence us.
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How would valinor know. Even if they did know, up until they meet Lin they have nothing on us.

It's a pity we cant support Emperor cults in valinor. It's a pity they're no emperor cults in valinor.
 
Piren'e Colass said:
How would valinor know. Even if they did know, up until they meet Lin they have nothing on us.

It's a pity we cant support Emperor cults in valinor. It's a pity they're no emperor cults in valinor.
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The abomination can tell them, it must hate the fact that Lin's alive as quite possibly the last spark of emps soul still active and we've gone into it's realm and defied it directly.

We're not on its favorite list.

Even discounting that as we preach our own version of emps they're going to hate that.

And finally they're chaos, they don't need a ****ing reason to be dicks.
 
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Artemis1992 said:
No, one for several that constantly backstab each other.

A united and disciplined enemy is far more dangerous than a mixed group of chaos worshippers.
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Hello can I please tell you about our lord and savoir CHAOS UNDIVIDED.

We promise Pope Lorgar is a nice guy.

Edit: how do you do the cuthulu text, I don't want to look like I'm yelling?
 
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Briefvoice said:
As far as I understand it, the idea is not so much that we need the world as it is that the Orks would be overwhelmingly attracted to the idea of reconquering it and more inclined to leave the rest of the Trust alone so they can attack there. It would be a lightning rod for Ork invasions, taking strike after strike so all the other systems are safer.
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Question: How long did it take to build all those Super Heavy ground defences on our planets? How many resources for the building and maintenance? Was all that effort worth it when it is 'better' to fight an unending flood of Orks on a recently conquered, likely still infested and effectively unfortified Ork world?

Bear in mind that one of our least expendable resources is military manpower. Throwing army after army into a meat grinder on a would where we don't have decades to centuries worth of defences seems unwise.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Yes, Undivided is bad, but it usually still relies on one champion holding an army together.

The golden boys have a proper chain of command and far less backstabbing.
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Instead Khorn has no chain of command anyone who kills another person gets rewarded, Nurglites are all family and would never consider it Tzeenchians would get rewarded for a good back stab and Slaaneshi are so much more concerned with their own whatever that back stabs are surprisingly rare.

In any case the one champion idea still holds with what we know of the abomination we know how they're probably like orks in that regard only for them losing the head would be even worse.

Angelform said:
Question: How long did it take to build all those Super Heavy ground defences on our planets? How many resources for the building and maintenance? Was all that effort worth it when it is 'better' to fight an unending flood of Orks on a recently conquered, likely still infested and effectively unfortified Ork world?

Bear in mind that one of our least expendable resources is military manpower. Throwing army after army into a meat grinder on a would where we don't have decades to centuries worth of defences seems unwise.
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Bout 5-6 years for each region.
 
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Angelform said:
Question: How long did it take to build all those Super Heavy ground defences on our planets? How many resources for the building and maintenance? Was all that effort worth it when it is 'better' to fight an unending flood of Orks on a recently conquered, likely still infested and effectively unfortified Ork world?

Bear in mind that one of our least expendable resources is military manpower. Throwing army after army into a meat grinder on a would where we don't have decades to centuries worth of defences seems unwise.
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Take it up with the Security Council, because they seem to think the answer is yes.
 
Artemis1992 said:
It would be easier to spread the word of the other chaosgods there. That would certainly be trouble for the Abominatiom-worshippers
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You are suggesting we spread the word of Chaos. No matter what the context, that is unambiguously heresy and would doubtlessly damn the souls of the missionaries.

Durin said:
you can try, but forming a cult that worships a dead God in an area that not only worships a living god that claims the same name but is also contagious sounds rather impossible to me
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Perhaps an actual heresy, then? Make up a god and start a cult surrounding it with the aim of weakening them from within. Fixes the problem of worshipping a dead god instead of a living god of the same name. As for its contagiousness, Chaos isn't omnipotent when it comes to corruption, even in areas they control (otherwise the Black Crusade RPG would be too easy). There are plenty of Norscans who only pay lip service to the Chaos Gods out of simple disinterest, or worship other gods entirely. While slaves kept on daemon worlds do get corrupted, they often don't get corrupted enough that they start worshipping Chaos.

Does this sound about right?
 
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