The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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What we need to find are some DAoT Research Stations and their logs. Extensive examples of the Ancients committing "tech-heresy" of innovation to achieve greater technologies (like the Gellar Field for example) would be an incredible boon for the Reformist cause.
 
What we need to find are some DAoT Research Stations and their logs. Extensive examples of the Ancients committing "tech-heresy" of innovation to achieve greater technologies (like the Gellar Field for example) would be an incredible boon for the Reformist cause.
Why would it be a boon to know stuff that the conservatives and the progressives already know happened?

The Ancients fell because they advanced to much and the admech knows how they did it they just see the MOI and think never going to let that happen again.

Tzeench doesn't help nor does the fact that the moderate admech was wiped out in the battle for mars in the heresy.
 
What we need to find are some DAoT Research Stations and their logs. Extensive examples of the Ancients committing "tech-heresy" of innovation to achieve greater technologies (like the Gellar Field for example) would be an incredible boon for the Reformist cause.
Good luck with that, finding a ship was already a miracle and even more on the current state of the galaxy.
 
Why would it be a boon to know stuff that the conservatives and the progressives already know happened?

The Ancients fell because they advanced to much and the admech knows how they did it they just see the MOI and think never going to let that happen again.
It'd be a boon because it's an example of structured and reasoned innovation that led to clearly beneficial technologies. While the AdMech does have a track record of being innovative in its own way (like with Power Armour), the majority of the case examples of "innovation" that it has seen over the millennia were by radicals. That is to say, often crazy fringe factors working in isolation with scraps and guesswork, with predictably terribad results.
I believe that with the works of the Ancients to act as guidelines/examples for safe procedures, mixed together with hindsight wisdom of the AdMech (ie. don't build AI), the Reformists could make some headway in disassociating innovation from daemon/AI outbreaks.
 
@Enjou

I think you should swap the order of 'Xenos of the outside' and 'Aspirant Details' - Reason being, when Aspirant Details is done, we'll start finding suitable aspiratn immediately (well, logically we would) that year, while none of the immediate details of 'Xenos of the Outside' or 'State of the Outside' should neccesitate an immediate changing of our plan or have any immediate effects.

I'll do this swap since you may be right, though I'm not sure it'll actually matter.

With regard to Telepathica actions, I would swap Ridcully and Tamia's Mentoring:Beta/Mentoring:Gammas actions, since Ridcully has a higher control and a Beta is more valuable than a Gamma.

Normally I would agree with you, but we have a massive 20 Gammas coming up for trials this turn - in the the last few turns, we never even broke double digits there. I think we'll get more bang for our buck by having more Gammas pass.
 
It'd be a boon because it's an example of structured and reasoned innovation that led to clearly beneficial technologies. While the AdMech does have a track record of being innovative in its own way (like with Power Armour), the majority of the case examples of "innovation" that it has seen over the millennia were by radicals. That is to say, often crazy fringe factors working in isolation with scraps and guesswork, with predictably terribad results.
I believe that with the works of the Ancients to act as guidelines/examples for safe procedures, mixed together with hindsight wisdom of the AdMech (ie. don't build AI), the Reformists could make some headway in disassociating innovation from daemon/AI outbreaks.
This is something that we'd have to ask @durin, but I will eat my hat if the admech don't know basic scientific procedure i.e. TEST TEST AND TEST AGAIN.

Seriously structured and reasoned innovation that you tell of doesn't exist, we find stuff through studying our surroundings and trying to figure out how it works either for a reason (we need a bigger bomb) or for curiosity (I wanna fly) or by complete accident (what are these tiny things in the water.)

Safe procedures similarly is something the admech are probably better with after all they can fend off scrap-code memetic BS if needed and are naturally paranoid and rightly so about Tzeench the chaos God of Change.

I know we knock the admech a lot for being stubborn, but remember its stubbornness and in some cases legitimate concerns, not idiocy. They really do know what they are doing.

Edit: as for the disassociating demons and stuff, do remember we have the designs for the Men of Stone and intend to use them as soon as possible, probably, and fully intend to mess around with warp tech experimental warp tech designed off animals when we get the chance.
 
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I prefer Enjou's plan to expand Dis and to be a bit more conservative in the expansion into Duat, though your DD on Implantation Spider study is better IMO.
Your concerns about "Sharing the Truth" failing is understandable too, though I personally prefer to tackle it with a DD.
Yeah the expansion of Dis is a big choice. I was against it in order to strengthen our hold in Iota and to get to all the iron reserves locate in Iota.
The building of cities was further expanded as durin explained that our assistand is underused and using so many "Spend time with" action don't do anything really (<10%) so another Administratum slot opened up.
Sharing the Truth I have tackeled with a DD.

If you have an advise to rebuild another city instead of one (second lake) in Durat I am open to suggestion.
 
I have been thinking of a way for us to get more heroic psykers without bloating the telepathica action list. would it be possible for most if not all new heroic psykers to be made into a mentoring group to give a bonus to the pass rate for major psykers. without having to take the mentoring action
Edit: I also seem to recall that Vanheim also wanted a branch of the unseen university opened up as well
 
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Has anyone tried taking the phasing properties of Phase Tanks and putting it in a special line of Recon Armor for the Phase Tigers?
that would be impossible, your Tech-Preists barely understand the generator to begin with and shrinking something bigger then a person in order to fit it on light power armour would require a good level of understanding, if it is even possible
 
I have been thinking of a way for us to get more heroic psykers without bloating the telepathica action list. would it be possible for most if not all new heroic psykers to be made into a mentoring group to give a bonus to the pass rate for major psykers. without having to take the mentoring action
Edit: I also seem to recall that Vanheim also wanted a branch of the unseen university opened up as well
At some point soon I will be reorganizing the Adeptus Telapathica and will add in positions which psykers can take to provide bonuses without giving actions
 
@durin I'm currently writing an omake where Syr is given two retainers for her protection and advise. I wanted to ask you if you would be willing to allow retainers who would join her? Mechanically I was thinking of these two working as a trait for her so that you wouldn't have to make new character sheets.
 
that would be impossible, your Tech-Preists barely understand the generator to begin with and shrinking something bigger then a person in order to fit it on light power armour would require a good level of understanding, if it is even possible

Besides, we can just put phase-capable psykers into Recon armor and have them phase using their powers.
 
Diplomacy
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: State of the Outside
-- REPEAT IF NEEDED
-Y2: Diplomatic Relations (Jotunheim)
-Y3: Elite Operatives Aid: Ultramarines (shuffle this to match SLOT B if needed)
-Y4: Stilling the Waters
-Y5: Diplomatic Relations (Muspelheim)

Why Jotunheim and Muspelheim? Our high relationships with them mean that these actions are very unlikely to succeed. Surely it would be better to focus Diplomacy efforts on the worlds we have the lowest relationship scores with, because we are more likely to succeed.

And on that note, can we please, please spend some diplomacy actions to improve relations with the Quartok, which are at an abysmal "2" and have been forever? @durin said we can try to raise relationships with them just like we can with other worlds. I realize the return isn't as valuable since they don't vote in High Council meetings, but let's at least build a buffer in case we have to do something to tick them off.
 
@durin I'm currently writing an omake where Syr is given two retainers for her protection and advise. I wanted to ask you if you would be willing to allow retainers who would join her? Mechanically I was thinking of these two working as a trait for her so that you wouldn't have to make new character sheets.
that is definitely a thing I may do, at the moment they would be members of her command squad
 
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