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If there are no Avernite rated wolves in the north I will be surprised.
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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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...what are you talking about?
Doomed Wombat
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So?
None of the DAoT stuff will help here, we don't lack for subjects, we lack the knowledge to implant the things and turn the geneseed into the organs that make a SM and SM.
None of the DAoT stuff will be of any use here.
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that's the point of research to figure out stuff we don't know! even if the DOaT doesn't have the tools meant for Geneseed it's still more advanced than what the Emperor probable had access to make it in the first place and our tools can tell us what the hell we need and what the problems with it are. Also since Grey Knight candidates are rare as hell even with a pysker population as crazy as Avernus we should start finding candidates and put them in stasis till we do figure it out.
@durin can you give me and Alex Pears a ruling so we stop arguing like idiots for hours, I don't think it be good for the Threads health unless some of you watching nerd fights
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The same reasons why Hereticus existed before. The Arbites are a constant force that are easier to work around. The Inquisition is an organisation quite a bit more secretive and is thus harder for heretics to defeat. The Arbites will still be doing most of the heretic-killing, but for those instances where they're not enough, Hereticus comes in.
It's also good to take out any anti-Avernus' that may end up developing. As it is, we basically own the Arbites, Mechanicus, and Ecclesiarchy on Avernus. If we didn't have Jane (who is literally an exception in how amazingly competent she is) and a literal Living Saint, it would be easy for us to corrupt Avernus from within if we were to turn to Chaos. If some other planet gains a highly popular and highly competent leader with as much influence over the various organisations as we do and that leader is Chaotic, it won't be the Arbites who take him out.
tl;dr: Adeptus Arbites is the hammer, Ordo Hereticus is the scalpel, just like the Guard/Astartes except for Intrigue rather than Military.
What, you mean from old Hereticus? So what? The Ordo Hereticus wasn't in place when Malcador the Hero founded the Inquisition, it was only created way later in the 36th millennium following the Age of Apostasy. There weren't any old Hereticus members to found it then either but it still got founded.
Hmm...yeah, I guess that's a fairly good reason.
@durin, I'm not sure if it was you or someone else who said it but Frederick is supposed to Macharian-level Martial skill. Is this accurate?
Doomed Wombat
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Ok...
1. The emperor is the emperor, psykic being of damn near unlimited power and knoweldge who lived through the DAoT and made the primarchs. Pretty sure he's got more advanced tech than us.
2. Grey Knights are intrinsically psykers and so is their gene seed, therefore its much much harder.
3. We don't have statis tubes, only statis grenades.
Doomed Wombat
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According to the skill rankings he is low demigod, so above Macharius?
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I'm taking the cowards way out of this and waiting for @durin to decide, I have points against you but they could be irrelevant so I will save my nerd fury for stuff I know I can win
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Didn't we get any stasis tech from the ships? The omake with the frozen soldiers was canon.
Macharius was a Living Saint, so he probably counts as low demigod himself.
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Ah the good old "I disagree with your opinion on the internet so you must be wrong, but I will bide my time approach"I'm taking the cowards way out of this and waiting for @durin to decide, I have points against you but they could be irrelevant so I will save my nerd fury for stuff I know I can win
.I quite understand.
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@durin said we had higher martial at some point (skimmed the thread)
Doomed Wombat
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Yeah statis grenades, not statis tubes.
Nope, he was a man, a great man, but lived a man and died a man.
He was cannonised after his death.
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I am fairly certain that normal men don't glow gold and have ethereal wings.
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Artistic license most likely, Gedubs remember
Doomed Wombat
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undernormal circumstances I'd agree with you, but I have that book
.Yeah the whole thing on the covor.
Never happened.
It looks cool but the closest thing to it he ever does is charging a demon prince.
He duels it, but he's only saved by his men literally throwing themselves at it to save him.
His charisma is intense though.
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That's like saying Harry Potter didn't have magic powers and that it was just artistic license by JK Rowling.
Ah, fair enough.undernormal circumstances I'd agree with you, but I have that book
Yeah the whole thing on the covor.
Never happened.
Could just be the Emperor was boosting his charisma rather than his fighting prowess. He was a general, not a warrior.
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Nope, one the things they make clear through out the entire series is that he loves fighting and frequently gets involved even when he doesn't have to and is simply really charismatic.
Hell he talks the Space wolves into helping him on a hunch and makes a heretic priest convert simply by talking.
Afterwards the persona of the books asks the inquisitor if it was the emp and he says "no, that's simply Macharius."
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For some reason, I have the feeling that at least six of that type of guy are in the Imperial Trust.
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It's a kinda important point in the books that, despite his charisma and tactical genius, he is just human. He even has some trouble with his age and decreasing efficiency of the Juvenats in the last book. With our tech he might have conquered another thousands planets.
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0.00000000000000000000000000000000001%
Barely even noticeable most likely.
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Depends on factors we can't know. Even if we should find out how many demons were permakilled we'll never know how much power it took to push them in the materium (or Avernus in the immaterium). To find out something like that we'd need someone who can feel the Warp as well as Lorgar in Betrayer.
But from guessing the number with the zeros seems more realistic.
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well under 1%