Derek58
Rocket Punch is Best Punch
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Grounded, it's too dangerous to fly.
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Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
Bugger all, too demony to fly.
What he is saying is that the event itself is fundamentally flawed in its execution.
Derek58
Rocket Punch is Best Punch
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- Getter Valhalla
...that's plenty we could've done.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
Derek58
Rocket Punch is Best Punch
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- Getter Valhalla
What you suggested in the post I quoted.
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- California
There's plenty we could have done. You just gave three perfectly good examples.
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- South of the border. South of all the borders...
What effect are you imagining? We control Rotbart, who was cut off from the rest of Avernus and only had access to a single city. Even if Durin had handed us complete control we probably would have done the same thing that happened in the post: Hunker down in the cities and hold off the daemons at the walls with the wildlife helping. The results would likely have been similar anyway. There weren't exactly a glut of options available and agency is only important when you have options to choose from.
Derek58
Rocket Punch is Best Punch
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- Getter Valhalla
Switching between characters in the various cities/locations as they lead the individual fights is one way of getting around Rothbart being isolated.
And designing an event that takes away agency almost compleatly is not good GMing.
The simplest way to handle it would have been to give us control of secondary characters.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
You think we could have marched our troops through a world partially through the warp, through the battle field between the wild life or that by giving up our defensive advantage we could have made a difference.We could have managed the defense, but that would have boiled down to you have X amounts of troops and Y number of breeches how do you distribute your dudes.
Derek58
Rocket Punch is Best Punch
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- Getter Valhalla
Which is much better than what we're getting, like I've said repeatedly.
- Location
- Australia
Indeed, I'm not sure how the battles could've gone differently besides "Do you risk your hero or do you sacrifice a large portion of the population?"
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- California
Could have? Yes. We wouldn't have chosen to do so, because it's stupid. But you see, its the choice that matters.
Yes. And the arrangement of the troops and characters would have had effects. Because one person was in one place, they avoided a breach somewhere else and survived. Or their position was weak, got overrun, and they died.
And it would be on us. As it is supped to be. Not total random chance.
Derek58
Rocket Punch is Best Punch
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- Getter Valhalla
More rolls to affect them, more ways of doing things. We'd have a much greater say in how things went.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
Its still random because of the dice.
I admit I probably would have preferred this.
This is true.
More things for us to do instead of watching from the sidelines, basically.
Derek58
Rocket Punch is Best Punch
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- Getter Valhalla
...yes, we're aware of that. But like we've been saying, we'd have much more choice in where those rolls were made.
- Location
- California
That's not the point. The point is the choice. The choice is vital. Even if the outcome were exactly the same, it would still be better, because we would have chosen the path that lead there.
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- Alice Springs, Australia
yes taking away a lot of your vagrancy was nit the best choice but the lack of communications is a side effect of daemonic invasions of this size, the earthquakes are part of an already determined defence of Avernus, you will be seeing more of it later
I could have had you take command of the defences of each city, or even the more important cities but that would stretch this to a month or more and had you commanding what is in effect small forces
sorry about the lack of control but to be honest even if you could command your men what would you do other then fortify up, going on the offensive in a demonic inclusion like this is impractical, I am not a good enough writer of battles to allow for many tricky tricks
in other words sorry for this but I though it was the best option available
and as to rocks fall everyone dies you have lost two important characters(so far), on Avernus losing an important character is something that can happen on any turn anyway due to the nature of the world (see Freya)
basically events like this are the downside of choosing the most dangerous world that you can imagine in planet creation
the upside is the wildlife, the technology, your psykers and the quality of your troops
I could have had you take command of the defences of each city, or even the more important cities but that would stretch this to a month or more and had you commanding what is in effect small forces
sorry about the lack of control but to be honest even if you could command your men what would you do other then fortify up, going on the offensive in a demonic inclusion like this is impractical, I am not a good enough writer of battles to allow for many tricky tricks
in other words sorry for this but I though it was the best option available
and as to rocks fall everyone dies you have lost two important characters(so far), on Avernus losing an important character is something that can happen on any turn anyway due to the nature of the world (see Freya)
basically events like this are the downside of choosing the most dangerous world that you can imagine in planet creation
the upside is the wildlife, the technology, your psykers and the quality of your troops
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- South of the border. South of all the borders...
Secondary characters? That defeats the whole point of a communications blackout. If we have the ability to direct each of our characters and our characters can control the various militaries under them then we as the players would have total control of our entire military and the ability to deploy it, which just laughs in the face of communications issues.
That's not even considering the agency argument under the fact that this is a surprise incursion. We wouldn't have had -shouldn't have had- time to make any choices in character at all considering our communications issues. This isn't a campaign, its a surprise event. You may as well ask for troop deployment options and control over our generals actions during every wildlife attack. After all, we don't get agency during those battles do we?
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- Alice Springs, Australia
increased chance of getting a good trait
You realize Slaanesh can't see past the Fourth Wall? We could take over secondary characters and act IC rather than coordinating.
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- Alice Springs, Australia